HEAVY pedal to make hi-gain amps more Brutal

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If there's no treble bleed on the volume knob - I think most guitars don't have one - then rolling down the volume will also tame some of the treble in addition to reducing volume; so you can see how the treble changes through the volume sweep with the pedal on. Note: fuzz faces, for example, bring back some treble to a guitar with the guitar volume rolled down.

Right, but fuzz faces and treble control with the volume don't work the same way with modern high gain sounds

At all

So that really doesn't give me a rationale because it's a completely different thing. I *get* doing it with a fuzz face for classic rock.

This? Is NOT that.
 
I'm just confused as to why?!

What's the idea with the volume knob down with these tones that you can't achieve by turning the gain down?
Wow, complete confusion here. First, I turn the guitar's volume down slightly in order to keep the detail and signal clean (as apposed to having a more saturated quality), WHICH DOES NOT CUT THROUGH THE MIX AS WELL. Now, if you prefer doing something different, hats off to you, I couldn't give a shit (unless your way helps me). Second, the degree of detail (note definition) and added harmonics improve with a good drive pedal and not something you can get simply by increasing gain on an amp (which also increases saturation and that boisterous quality). And the results are different if JUST reducing gain on the amp. Third, if I never mentioned once that I dialed back a bit on the guitar, none of you 'experts' would have a fuckin' clue, lol. The chiming arrives in order to provide expert opinion that is as amateurish as my own opinion... nothing but opinions, and that's fine (it's a discussion forum), but NO ONE would have said a thing, and all examples were CONSISTENT, which was the point of this demo... to make tone and detail comparisons of pushing an amp's gain vs. reducing it and pushing an amp with this particular pedal. Fourth, even a beginning retard knows that many guitarists dial back for rhythm then dial up for lead (a way of keeping the rhythm clear while boosting the lead). Other guitarists may use a boost pedal for lead, or some other aspect, but many use the guitar's volume knob. But I guess I can't. Whatever. I'm waiting for all the great videos to come out from you bunch of
 
I think you should redo it. I think one person has said something rude to you, the rest of us are just a bit confused. Your video was well done, just turn down the gain on the amp. Most high gain amps, I turn the gain down to where you still retain the character and tone. That gives you more clarity, then leave that guitar volume up.
You do realize that I DID turn the gain down... but the HEAVY pedal (if you have a clue, if you OWN one) has a lot of balls behind it. It's made more for a clean amp channel, whereas I added it to a hi-gain channel. If I never mentioned once that I reduced my guitar's volume a bit, would you or anyone even give it a consideration or know? How could you know? Expert ears and familiarity with everything I used? Hmmm...
 
Distortion isn't tone... It's noise.
Who said it was tone? Quote me where I stated distortion is tone. It affects tone, does it not? It affects the nature of the sound waves. It can increase and change the harmonics.
 
Technically when you increase the gain past 0 on a common overdrive pedal you are using distortion on distortion if you are not on the clean channel. Fuzz pedals have been used this way with distortion channels as well as clean. Orange breakup is an example and blending with a RAT.
So yeah distortion pedal + plus hi gain is not the usual recommendation but blending opens up all sorts of tonal possibilities. Can blending distortion pedals and amp distortion be brutal? Yes. More brutal? I see that as relative to how to holds out in the mix. It is all subjective. All those complaints about volume are irrelevant anyway because it's all about the tone people hear in the end and they won't give a fig about what any dial is set at.

I would prefer to see more blending videos than just yet another amp demo which we can watch hundreds of examples on YouTube. Show me new combinations with pedals. That is where the pharmacy for new tones outside of what amps can do is at.
 
Technically when you increase the gain past 0 on a common overdrive pedal you are using distortion on distortion if you are not on the clean channel. Fuzz pedals have been used this way with distortion channels as well as clean. Orange breakup is an example and blending with a RAT.
So yeah distortion pedal + plus hi gain is not the usual recommendation but blending opens up all sorts of tonal possibilities. Can blending distortion pedals and amp distortion be brutal? Yes. More brutal? I see that as relative to how to holds out in the mix. It is all subjective. All those complaints about volume are irrelevant anyway because it's all about the tone people hear in the end and they won't give a fig about what any dial is set at.

I would prefer to see more blending videos than just yet another amp demo which we can watch hundreds of examples on YouTube. Show me new combinations with pedals. That is where the pharmacy for new tones outside of what amps can do is at.
I have no idea what combinations you're referring to or would like to hear. Yes, this pedal typically is combined with a CLEAN channel, whereas I wanted to hear the results with a gainy channel, and found those channels sounded better (TO MY EARS) when backed off on the gain and adding the HEAVY. That's me... no one has to agree, since all of us have our own styles, preferences and sounds. As for the guitar's volume being backed off, unless people actually have the Majesty (and maybe the 2020 electronics are different than those previous or later versions, no idea), they have NO idea of how sensitive and how much the sounds changes when the volume is up full vs. backed off slightly. There is a reason I backed off on the volume a bit, which I do even when playing lead (about 10% reduction)... the notes ring out better, rather than sounding muddy and disappearing in the mix. I have done this in so many reviews and NEVER did anyone even make reference to it ("hey, did you back off on the guitar's volume?"). But since I mentioned it, expert opinions abound, LOL
 
expert opinions abound, LOL
Yes, “expert” opinions are here on this board else you wouldn’t have posted your content here. Calm down, take a dose of humility, walk away from this thread for a bit, then come back.

What people are saying, and I think some here can be massive dicks (dealt with it) in how they respond, is that what you’re doing isn’t necessary “wrong.” If you dig this and it works for you, run with it man. Screw what anyone else says. But what they’re saying is that your method of getting there is inefficient.

At any rate, take a breath. Back away from the forum, and re-evaluate all this later. (Trying to save you a meltdown. I’ve been there, done that.)
 
Yes, “expert” opinions are here on this board else you wouldn’t have posted your content here. Calm down, take a dose of humility, walk away from this thread for a bit, then come back.

What people are saying, and I think some here can be massive dicks (dealt with it) in how they respond, is that what you’re doing isn’t necessary “wrong.” If you dig this and it works for you, run with it man. Screw what anyone else says. But what they’re saying is that your method of getting there is inefficient.

At any rate, take a breath. Back away from the forum, and re-evaluate all this later. (Trying to save you a meltdown. I’ve been there, done that.)
Well, it was an inefficiency, it was about combining a very hi-gain pedal with a hi-gain channel (not a clean channel with certain factors cranked to the limit). I thought that much would be obvious, since it was clearly indicated in the video. I already reviewed this pedal on CLEAN channels. I'm not asking anyone to follow my lead on this, but that it was a different option and having fun with gear. Even after explaining this, I'll get more comments from people who have never posted any videos or sound samples. Whatever, lol
 
if turning the volume down a little is the path to the tone and feel you are looking for go for it i say :dunno:
What has to be kept in mind is that a solo tone is very different from a tone one creates for a mix. What sounds great on its own can sound muddy or buried once you get drums, bass, keys... and maybe a second guitar pushing the signal and frequencies concurrently. If I would have put this into a mix, it sounds very different.
 
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First, I turn the guitar's volume down slightly in order to keep the detail and signal clean (as apposed to having a more saturated quality), WHICH DOES NOT CUT THROUGH THE MIX AS WELL. Now, if you prefer doing something different, hats off to you, I couldn't give a shit (unless your way helps me).
Yes, the confusion were all talking about, comes from the fact that simply turning the amp gain down has the same effect.

Second, the degree of detail (note definition) and added harmonics improve with a good drive pedal and not something you can get simply by increasing gain on an amp (which also increases saturation and that boisterous quality). And the results are different if JUST reducing gain on the amp.
That wildly depends on which amp you are using. In fact, many you'll find here on R/T specifically use the amps they use because adding pedals DOESNT give them enough definition.

Third, if I never mentioned once that I dialed back a bit on the guitar, none of you 'experts' would have a fuckin' clue, lol. The chiming arrives in order to provide expert opinion that is as amateurish as my own opinion... nothing but opinions, and that's fine (it's a discussion forum), but NO ONE would have said a thing, and all examples were CONSISTENT, which was the point of this demo... to make tone and detail comparisons of pushing an amp's gain vs. reducing it and pushing an amp with this particular pedal.
No, basically all of the users here can hear the "squawking" thing that happens when you have the guitar volume notched down on a high gain amp channel. The reason I, and others, we're confused, is that this volume staging plus pedals/amp gain is commonly used with classic rock, and isn't very commonly used for high gain sounds, because it can make the "JB honk" frequencies sound overwhelming.

Fourth, even a beginning retard knows that many guitarists dial back for rhythm then dial up for lead (a way of keeping the rhythm clear while boosting the lead). Other guitarists may use a boost pedal for lead, or some other aspect, but many use the guitar's volume knob. But I guess I can't. Whatever. I'm waiting for all the great videos to come out from you bunch of

On the contrary, no, even beginning retards know that classic rock guitarists use this method, for both clean and dirty sounds. Famously, Jimi and others used a fuzz face for cleans, and Angus uses his volume tone at 7 or 8 for his rhythm tone so he can "boost" it up to full volume for his leads.

This is a very uncommon method in super high gain sounds, and that's why there's so much confusion. You can do literally whatever you want, but when you post something publicly, you are opening yourself to questions, and if you don't like it, you can not post stuff or grow a dick.

We're just looking for an explanation because no one that I, or anyone else, has heard of, uses this volume pot method when boosting high gain metal guitars. Just classic rock guys.

Also, my clips and videos are all over this website, you're more than welcome to check out the playing and mixes I do.
 
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Yes, the confusion were all talking about, comes from the fact that simply turning the amp gain down has the same effect.


That wildly depends on which amp you are using. In fact, many you'll find here on R/T specifically use the amps they use because adding pedals DOESNT give them enough definition.


No, basically all of the users here can hear the "squawking" thing that happens when you have the guitar volume notched down on a high gain amp channel. The reason I, and others, we're confused, is that this volume staging plus pedals/amp gain is commonly used with classic rock, and isn't very commonly used for high gain sounds, because it can make the "JB honk" frequencies sound overwhelming.



On the contrary, no, even beginning retards know that classic rock guitarists use this method, for both clean and dirty sounds. Famously, Jimi and others used a fuzz face for cleans, and Angus uses his volume tone at 7 or 8 for his rhythm tone so he can "boost" it up to full volume for his leads.

This is a very uncommon method in super high gain sounds, and that's why there's so much confusion. You can do literally whatever you want, but when you post something publicly, you are opening yourself to questions, and if you don't like it, you can not post stuff or grow a dick.

We're just looking for an explanation because no one that I, or anyone else, has heard of, uses this volume pot method when boosting high gain metal guitars. Just classic rock guys.

Also, my clips and videos are all over this website, you're more than welcome to check out the playing and mixes I do.
No, it does NOT (as to your first point). I can turn the amp's gain down, but I lose aggression and bite to the tone, which is why I add the pedal. I don't have the amps of others, and so, I cannot comment on their gear and what THEY CHOOSE TO DO. Yes, what I did IS uncommon, which is why I did it. Frig! I'll grow a dick when some people grow some friggin' brains and actually read the text I'm including in the video. I'm not saying it's the best thing to do... it's a demo of messing around with the results.
 
No, it does NOT (as to your first point). I can turn the amp's gain down, but I lose aggression and bite to the tone, which is why I add the pedal. I don't have the amps of others, and so, I cannot comment on their gear and what THEY CHOOSE TO DO. Yes, what I did IS uncommon, which is why I did it. Frig! I'll grow a dick when some people grow some friggin' brains and actually read the text I'm including in the video. I'm not saying it's the best thing to do... it's a demo of messing around with the results.

I totally get it man, it DOES have its own sound - if that's your thing, that's your thing.

But it would have really helped if the volume thing was in the title. Like "how to: high gain pedals into a high gain amp, using guitar volume" or "different flavors and textures of high gain tones using the HEAVY preamp and your guitars volume knob."

The problem is that since this is such an uncommon method for these type of tones (you are literally the first guy I've ever seen who knocks the volume knob down for modern, high gain metal rhythm) IT is going to be the focus, not the tones themselves, with the amps or the empress heavy.

And people are going to want some video A+Bing the volume knob method you're using versus just lowering the amp gain, because doing that lowers the noise floor and introduces a lot of complications - so, viewers are going to want some sort of rational explanation for it. A quick a+b and explanation of your reasoning would have made this make a whole fuckton more sense.
 
Who said it was tone? Quote me where I stated distortion is tone. It affects tone, does it not? It affects the nature of the sound waves. It can increase and change the harmonics.
I never said that you said it was. It was a general statement.
 
If there's no treble bleed on the volume knob - I think most guitars don't have one - then rolling down the volume will also tame some of the treble in addition to reducing volume; so you can see how the treble changes through the volume sweep with the pedal on. Note: fuzz faces, for example, bring back some treble to a guitar with the guitar volume rolled down.
^^^^this. I felt like the amps and guitar were dialed-in in a way that most would never use, only to boost and gate them in an unnatural way.
 
^^^^this. I felt like the amps and guitar were dialed-in in a way that most would never use, only to boost and gate them in an unnatural way.

That's why it confused me so much.

It seems such an uncommon technique for this type of tone, that it warrants a bit of an explanation.
 
I just like "where's your clips then???"..so if I post some clips that absolutely destroy yours, will that make your "turning down the volume pot" theory any less or more viable? I mean I will post clips that do that if you want, with a boost and my volume pot on 10 on my guitar.
 
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