HEAVY pedal to make hi-gain amps more Brutal

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I just like "where's your clips then???"..so if I post some clips that absolutely destroy yours, will that make your "turning down the volume pot" theory any less or more viable? I mean I will post clips that do that if you want, with a boost and my volume pot on 10 on my guitar.
My guitar stuff is everywhere on this site, so is everyone elses, so it seems like the "WHERES YOUR CLIPS THEN BRO" is a bit of a lashing out reaction. The weird thing is though, it's not that his clips are so terribly bad, its that he uses such a weird method where it basically REQUIRES an explanation.
 
Here’s my clip. Bogner, stock Les Paul, SD-1, and delay in the loop. Nothing fancy going on.



I actually thought the OP was posting the video for the comment on the volume rolling. There was nothing stating he owned the vid, so in that regard, yes I was being blunt because I and others have never seen anyone run such a high gain setup with a heavy gain pedal and then to compensate for the compounding by rolling their volume back. Regardless I’m not here to step on toes I’m here to talk tone. I apologize for the brudeness to the OP.

In my experience rolling your volume knob kills mids, annunciates highs, and castrates amps especially when the boost pedal is off. As said earlier it’s more of a trick for classic rock to get ZZ Top or a semi-clean. You’ll get better results rolling the gain back on the amp and compensating for the loss in volume by jacking the master volume compared to using your volume knob on your guitar. Regardless, Thanks for sharing your video - I look forward to comparison videos!
 
Doesn't the Egnater Armegeddon already cover this level of gain??

 
Here’s my clip. Bogner, stock Les Paul, SD-1, and delay in the loop. Nothing fancy going on.



I actually thought the OP was posting the video for the comment on the volume rolling. There was nothing stating he owned the vid, so in that regard, yes I was being blunt because I and others have never seen anyone run such a high gain setup with a heavy gain pedal and then to compensate for the compounding by rolling their volume back. Regardless I’m not here to step on toes I’m here to talk tone. I apologize for the brudeness to the OP.

In my experience rolling your volume knob kills mids, annunciates highs, and castrates amps especially when the boost pedal is off. As said earlier it’s more of a trick for classic rock to get ZZ Top or a semi-clean. You’ll get better results rolling the gain back on the amp and compensating for the loss in volume by jacking the master volume compared to using your volume knob on your guitar. Regardless, Thanks for sharing your video - I look forward to comparison videos!

Two things... the pedal provides greater note detail, definition and harmonics. It can be heard... elements I do not get by backing off on gain and increasing master volume. The effect of this cuts through the mix better (versus what is heard in the video as a solo instrument). Those are my ears and my gear.
 
Two things... the pedal provides greater note detail, definition and harmonics. It can be heard... elements I do not get by backing off on gain and increasing master volume. The effect of this cuts through the mix better (versus what is heard in the video as a solo instrument). Those are my ears and my gear.
You rolled your volume back even without the pedal on.
 
You rolled your volume back even without the pedal on.
To keep it consistent. In the final comparison, I had the gain up, then backed off on amp gain with the pedal added. Again, if I never mentioned about rolling off on the guitar's volume slightly, no one would have a clue or bring it up. For whatever reason, no one could grasp simply hearing the comparisons vs. where the guitar's volume is, which is irrelevant if everything remains consistent between the two. If adding the pedal adds to the experience, then it would have done so no matter the guitar's volume. It just so happens that I prefer the guitar's volume down slightly to reduce saturation and improve clarity in a mix, which no one has mentioned in all the videos and demos I've one. As soon as this was stated, then suddenly the focus removed from the sound differences to "hey, why was the volume backed off a bit?"
 
But that’s where you’re assuming what works for you, works for everyone. Pedals are extremely sensitive to input signal strength, as are high gain amplifiers.

Play with more volume and you’ll get what everyone is mentioning. These amps aren’t the same at mouse fart volumes compared to opened up a bit - the master brings out the highs just as you like and you aren’t sacrificing mids and lows in the process rolling your volume back. If it’s too saturated then turn the pregain down.

There’s a lot of talent with pedals and amps on the board - your method is yours but notice the confusion. Maybe do a comparison video and summarize what you hear.
 
To keep it consistent. In the final comparison, I had the gain up, then backed off on amp gain with the pedal added. Again, if I never mentioned about rolling off on the guitar's volume slightly, no one would have a clue or bring it up. For whatever reason, no one could grasp simply hearing the comparisons vs. where the guitar's volume is, which is irrelevant if everything remains consistent between the two. If adding the pedal adds to the experience, then it would have done so no matter the guitar's volume. It just so happens that I prefer the guitar's volume down slightly to reduce saturation and improve clarity in a mix, which no one has mentioned in all the videos and demos I've one. As soon as this was stated, then suddenly the focus removed from the sound differences to "hey, why was the volume backed off a bit?"

No, the focus was immediately on the volume, because it's such a weird and uncommon practice. Not that it can't work, maybe it does for you? That's why everyone wanted an explanation.

And no, it is not irrelevant, because it's an uncommon practice and no one else runs their heavy tones like that. It warrants explanation at the very least.

And, just because @glpg80 did it, here's one of my clips. Lots and lots of people here at RT know what they're talking about with tone.

Listen to An Earthen Master by Daniel Travis on #SoundCloud
https://soundcloud.app.goo.gl/r45Zs
 
Here’s my clip. Bogner, stock Les Paul, SD-1, and delay in the loop. Nothing fancy going on.



I actually thought the OP was posting the video for the comment on the volume rolling. There was nothing stating he owned the vid, so in that regard, yes I was being blunt because I and others have never seen anyone run such a high gain setup with a heavy gain pedal and then to compensate for the compounding by rolling their volume back. Regardless I’m not here to step on toes I’m here to talk tone. I apologize for the brudeness to the OP.

In my experience rolling your volume knob kills mids, annunciates highs, and castrates amps especially when the boost pedal is off. As said earlier it’s more of a trick for classic rock to get ZZ Top or a semi-clean. You’ll get better results rolling the gain back on the amp and compensating for the loss in volume by jacking the master volume compared to using your volume knob on your guitar. Regardless, Thanks for sharing your video - I look forward to comparison videos!

You should try backing-away from using distortion, and focus on learning how to play the instrument. Banging around on two-note power chords with heaping distortion and delay is counterintuitive. As a beginner, you shouldn't be using distortion, at all. You need to be memorizing notes, and you can't do that when the notes are polluted with distortion.

Memorize the intervals, so that you can practice chord building. Stick with chords, as this how your ear learns to recognize harmonic content. The one thing that most professional writers/players all have in common, is that they can recognize the notes from memory. Test yourself, by having someone play random notes (labeled) on a piano, and then try to identify each note. If you feel so inclined, couple note memorization with learning to read music. Prior to the rise of Bolshevism, this was standard teaching.

When the time comes, you can begin to introduce pre-amplification distortion and echo effects. Once you become a proficient harmonic player, you can begin focusing on learning melody. i.e. Lead. Melodic playing must be using collectively and contextually. Without backing, melody should be restricted to arpeggiation. e.g. Hotel California.

When you watch 'A Charlie Brown Christmas' this year, notice the part where Lucy asks Schroeder to play Jingle Bells. He attempts to entertain Lucy with various harmonic renditions on the composition, though, Lucy is unimpressed. Schroeder is eventually reduced to playing the melody only, to which Lucy celebrates! Think about it...
 
But that’s where you’re assuming what works for you, works for everyone. Pedals are extremely sensitive to input signal strength, as are high gain amplifiers.

Play with more volume and you’ll get what everyone is mentioning. These amps aren’t the same at mouse fart volumes compared to opened up a bit - the master brings out the highs just as you like and you aren’t sacrificing mids and lows in the process rolling your volume back. If it’s too saturated then turn the pregain down.

There’s a lot of talent with pedals and amps on the board - your method is yours but notice the confusion. Maybe do a comparison video and summarize what you hear.
Indicate where I claimed it would work for everyone. It's my video, it's what I did. Anyone can choose to try it or ignore it. However, you clearly stated that in your last sentence. The final example clearly indicates what happens, which I already stated. But let's go around the merry-go-round.
 
You should try backing-away from using distortion, and focus on learning how to play the instrument. Banging around on two-note power chords with heaping distortion and delay is counterintuitive. As a beginner, you shouldn't be using distortion, at all. You need to be memorizing notes, and you can't do that when the notes are polluted with distortion.

Memorize the intervals, so that you can practice chord building. Stick with chords, as this how your ear learns to recognize harmonic content. The one thing that most professional writers/players all have in common, is that they can recognize the notes from memory. Test yourself, by having someone play random notes (labeled) on a piano, and then try to identify each note. If you feel so inclined, couple note memorization with learning to read music. Prior to the rise of Bolshevism, this was standard teaching.

When the time comes, you can begin to introduce pre-amplification distortion and echo effects. Once you become a proficient harmonic player, you can begin focusing on learning melody. i.e. Lead. Melodic playing must be using collectively and contextually. Without backing, melody should be restricted to arpeggiation. e.g. Hotel California.

When you watch 'A Charlie Brown Christmas' this year, notice the part where Lucy asks Schroeder to play Jingle Bells. He attempts to entertain Lucy with various harmonic renditions on the composition, though, Lucy is unimpressed. Schroeder is eventually reduced to playing the melody only, to which Lucy celebrates! Think about it...
I presume skid mark refers to your underwear. I have plenty of videos out there with actual compositions (every demo I do includes a full composition prior to going over knob tweaking). I forget how many are even posted on this site in the review section. I banged out simple stuff because it was a sound comparison, not a demo of my skills. Focus on your own playing.
 
“Heavy pedal to make high gain amps more brutal”
Do you have my gear and that pedal (and my guitar)? If you knew NOTHING of me turning down the volume slightly, would you say the before tone sounded as brutal... and in the last example I had the gain turned up where it typically would be turned up, yet it sounded more detailed and aggressive with the pedal. So, prove me wrong. You take your hi-gain amp, at any gain level, then add the HEAVY pedal. If it sounds less brutal, I'll send you a pedal at no cost... I have several here I don't use much.
 
You should try backing-away from using distortion, and focus on learning how to play the instrument. Banging around on two-note power chords with heaping distortion and delay is counterintuitive. As a beginner, you shouldn't be using distortion, at all. You need to be memorizing notes, and you can't do that when the notes are polluted with distortion.

Memorize the intervals, so that you can practice chord building. Stick with chords, as this how your ear learns to recognize harmonic content. The one thing that most professional writers/players all have in common, is that they can recognize the notes from memory. Test yourself, by having someone play random notes (labeled) on a piano, and then try to identify each note. If you feel so inclined, couple note memorization with learning to read music. Prior to the rise of Bolshevism, this was standard teaching.

When the time comes, you can begin to introduce pre-amplification distortion and echo effects. Once you become a proficient harmonic player, you can begin focusing on learning melody. i.e. Lead. Melodic playing must be using collectively and contextually. Without backing, melody should be restricted to arpeggiation. e.g. Hotel California.

When you watch 'A Charlie Brown Christmas' this year, notice the part where Lucy asks Schroeder to play Jingle Bells. He attempts to entertain Lucy with various harmonic renditions on the composition, though, Lucy is unimpressed. Schroeder is eventually reduced to playing the melody only, to which Lucy celebrates! Think about it...

Beginner? I don’t think what I’m hearing is the same thing you’re hearing. Another recent piece from my 74 Marshall.

 
Do you have my gear and that pedal (and my guitar)? If you knew NOTHING of me turning down the volume slightly, would you say the before tone sounded as brutal... and in the last example I had the gain turned up where it typically would be turned up, yet it sounded more detailed and aggressive with the pedal. So, prove me wrong. You take your hi-gain amp, at any gain level, then add the HEAVY pedal. If it sounds less brutal, I'll send you a pedal at no cost... I have several here I don't use much.
I’m not trying for a pissing contest man, just trying to help you get the most of that gear of yours. I wouldn’t have known it through a video you’re right, but I’d noticed it in the room standing there. Good luck on your ventures and keep playing.
 
Dude playing his guitar Volume 3-4
Kicks the pedal on. Rolls guitar volume to 10. Then thinking it’s all the pedal.
Makes me laugh.
Didn’t you hear what the man said? This video wasn’t rated E for everyone. It only works for his high gain amps, pedals, and guitars.
 
Didn’t you hear what the man said? This video wasn’t rated E for everyone. It only works for his high gain amps, pedals, and guitars.

LETS HEAR YOUR CLIPS BRO ...oh wait, you did

WELL YOUR PLAYING DOESNT JIVE WITH THE META-COMMENTARY I IMAGINED IN THE CHARLIE BROWN CHRISTMAS SPECIAL
 
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