How can anyone seriously defend Cameron at this point?

[Odin]

I have been both a small business owner and worked for a slightly larger, but independent business, and I understand the complexities and problems facing a small business owner trying to get a new business off the ground.

None of that excuses Cameron's lousy business practices. Making promises that you do not keep, lying to customers, not communicating with paying customers, etc... are not excusable no matter what you're going through. Anyone who thinks that these things are acceptable business practices is an idiot. And I don't think many people here agree with those business practices.

Some people paid almost a year ago and still no amp, and no straight answers from the people who took their money. Even if it took a week or two to build each amp there would be several dozen amps on the market by now if the company was delivering product to paying customers.

The only 2 amps that have allegedly shipped are to (a) a person who got the amp and then left town and (b) some supposed endorsee, neither of whom has said much, if anything, since allegedly taking delivery.

Plenty of other small amp modders/builders (Voodoo, Splawn, etc...) have started businesses and avoided all of this BS by being ethical business people.

Cameron is not a fledgling business from what I can tell because at this point it appears that they are taking money but not delivering product. That's not a business.

If I'm an asshole for pointing out that these issues are unacceptable business practices then I'll wear that label proudly if it makes the Cameron fanbois happy.

I want a CCV-100 as bad as anyone, based on what I've seen and heard of the amp, but i won't throw money at a company that doesn't deliver or communicate. And neither should anyone else if they have common sense.

This whole Cameron deal is like the elephant in the room that too many Rig-Talk regulars pretend doesn't exist.

If there was an ebay seller taking money and not delivering, not communicating, etc... this entire community would be all over the issue, but for some reason certain people think Cameron has immunity.

 

[Odin]

I think he just wants to start shit, he has another thread bashing Chinese Democracy too. Not that I'm defending Axl Rose, because he's a twat, but threads like this are just meant to stir the pot. A little childish?


Yes. (Answered my own question )

I'm a huge GnR fan, but Chinese Democracy plain sucks.

And Axel seems to deliver his albums about as fast as Cameron delivers his amps, so there is a similarity here.

 

[badger71]

Kinda OT, but a friend of my family went to school with Cameron and her sister....He says Cameron is the uglier of the two.

 

[ke2]

Kinda OT, but a friend of my family went to school with Cameron and her sister....He says Cameron is the uglier of the two.

Threesome?

 

[badger71]

Camerons....I hope everyone gets what they paid for....this industry is tough, though. Especially when a "buzz" has been created. I remember meeting Alf Hermida (Zendrive) and he seemed very overwhelmed by the success of his pedals. The buzz created by Robben Ford fanatics and a Guitar Player review just added fuel to that fire. FWIW, I thought the Cameron amps sounded great at NAMM. Hopefull all gets cleared up and I wish them all the success.

 

[badger71]

Kinda OT, but a friend of my family went to school with Cameron and her sister....He says Cameron is the uglier of the two.

Threesome?

Lol....he wishes....too aloof around chicks.

 

[Meathead]

I believe Mark needs to conquer something in his life to be a business owner....it seems written on the wall to me, he is very talented....maybe I'm wrong, but something is not letting him fulfill his commitments.

 

[daver101]

This whole Cameron deal is like the elephant in the room that too many Rig-Talk regulars pretend doesn't exist.

If we're talking about animal analogies, maybe it's a horse that's been beaten to death.

I'm not a fanboi, I just want to know what you're trying to accomplish. With all the talk about the poor service in the Cameron forum, this comes off as a Mr. Obvious thread.

 

[Chubtone]

I believe Mark needs to conquer something in his life to be a business owner....

Be careful what you wish for RVS. Maybe will send him up to Canada with a straw and some spitballs. You will be living in Cameronanada by sun down.

 

[Meathead]

I believe Mark needs to conquer something in his life to be a business owner....

Be careful what you wish for RVS. Maybe will send him up to Canada with a straw and some spitballs. You will be living in Cameronanada by sun down.

I'm not into that....geez don't be silly!

I'll watch him sleep and make sure he's breathing.

 

[Rufus Leaking]

Well, all I know for sure is that I put down $1800 in November, and have very serious concerns on whether I will ever see an amp. It is mind boggling to me that Mark or Chris wouldn't step up and give some information on WTF is going on. You've got some of your most staunch supporters bailing out, and yet you give no information to everyone else who is hanging on? Not a single fucking word but these occasional childish outbursts in response to trolls?

You know, if they just came out and said "we totally under-estimated the amount of time, work and money it's going to take to make these, and June is a more realistic estimate". I bet any money the over whelming majority of people who had a deposit down would say, that's fine and just be quiet until June. I know I would.

But to let this obvious downward spiral of your 'company' go without a response is just baffling to me.

Not to mention the one person who has recieved a CCV that we've actually heard from has concerns about how it sounds compared to the NAMM clips.... not exactly encouraging information. A mix of used tubes and sounds nothing like the clips.... WTF?!?

Mark, Chris, can you give me some reason why I should continue waiting for a CCV?

 

[Meathead]

Mark is...

A. sick of making/working on amps


B. it's booze related


C. it's drugs related


He's too talented to just sit on it....IMO just my view.

 

[-=MYK=-]

I'm just amazed how people think that bad press like this is going to help a fledgling company with issues get product out to waiting customers quicker....

Fledging? The dude has had more than a few years to get his crap together and yet he still stiffs people. What's worse is that if you're buddy-buddy with him you'll probably get an amp...if you're just someone else...well... you're on the slow boat to china.

I'll agree with what RVS posted above...

 

[daver101]

I'm just amazed how people think that bad press like this is going to help a fledgling company with issues get product out to waiting customers quicker....

Fledging? The dude has had more than a few years to get his crap together and yet he still stiffs people. What's worse is that if you're buddy-buddy with him you'll probably get an amp...if you're just someone else...well... you're on the slow boat to china.

I'll agree with what RVS posted above...

I'm not in Mark's corner here, all I'm saying is that the more negative press, the more people who have $$$ involved get tempted to bail, meaning that those who are still waiting have even less chance of getting their amps. And no, I don't have money hanging out there.

It's called positive cash flow.

 

[vultures]

B. it's booze related


C. it's drugs related

Thats the case for 78.2% of the world..

 

[daver101]

B. it's booze related


C. it's drugs related

Thats the case for 78.2% of the world..

No shit? That high? That's depressing.

 

[Anonymous]

id bet my last dollar chris schimdt has control of all the money and mark cameron has a severe drug addiction. bad combo huh?

 

[GRK]

I have been both a small business owner and worked for a slightly larger, but independent business, and I understand the complexities and problems facing a small business owner trying to get a new business off the ground.

None of that excuses Cameron's lousy business practices. Making promises that you do not keep, lying to customers, not communicating with paying customers, etc... are not excusable no matter what you're going through. Anyone who thinks that these things are acceptable business practices is an idiot. And I don't think many people here agree with those business practices.

Some people paid almost a year ago and still no amp, and no straight answers from the people who took their money. Even if it took a week or two to build each amp there would be several dozen amps on the market by now if the company was delivering product to paying customers.

The only 2 amps that have allegedly shipped are to (a) a person who got the amp and then left town and (b) some supposed endorsee, neither of whom has said much, if anything, since allegedly taking delivery.

Plenty of other small amp modders/builders (Voodoo, Splawn, etc...) have started businesses and avoided all of this BS by being ethical business people.

Cameron is not a fledgling business from what I can tell because at this point it appears that they are taking money but not delivering product. That's not a business.

If I'm an asshole for pointing out that these issues are unacceptable business practices then I'll wear that label proudly if it makes the Cameron fanbois happy.

I want a CCV-100 as bad as anyone, based on what I've seen and heard of the amp, but i won't throw money at a company that doesn't deliver or communicate. And neither should anyone else if they have common sense.

This whole Cameron deal is like the elephant in the room that too many Rig-Talk regulars pretend doesn't exist.

If there was an ebay seller taking money and not delivering, not communicating, etc... this entire community would be all over the issue, but for some reason certain people think Cameron has immunity.

I don't wanna talk much since I have nothing to do with issue but look man...

I agree with you totally on some parts and how a business should be and all that shit. I bet you 99% of the people do too.
What you're not realizing is, your argument doesn't help neither the customer nor the business owners. You come across as one of those hardcore feminists who defend all the girls in the word while they never asked for your help. I'm not even saying you're wrong here...

 

[Gainiac]

I have been both a small business owner and worked for a slightly larger, but independent business, and I understand the complexities and problems facing a small business owner trying to get a new business off the ground.

None of that excuses Cameron's lousy business practices. Making promises that you do not keep, lying to customers, not communicating with paying customers, etc... are not excusable no matter what you're going through. Anyone who thinks that these things are acceptable business practices is an idiot. And I don't think many people here agree with those business practices.

Some people paid almost a year ago and still no amp, and no straight answers from the people who took their money. Even if it took a week or two to build each amp there would be several dozen amps on the market by now if the company was delivering product to paying customers.

The only 2 amps that have allegedly shipped are to (a) a person who got the amp and then left town and (b) some supposed endorsee, neither of whom has said much, if anything, since allegedly taking delivery.

Plenty of other small amp modders/builders (Voodoo, Splawn, etc...) have started businesses and avoided all of this BS by being ethical business people.

Cameron is not a fledgling business from what I can tell because at this point it appears that they are taking money but not delivering product. That's not a business.

If I'm an asshole for pointing out that these issues are unacceptable business practices then I'll wear that label proudly if it makes the Cameron fanbois happy.

I want a CCV-100 as bad as anyone, based on what I've seen and heard of the amp, but i won't throw money at a company that doesn't deliver or communicate. And neither should anyone else if they have common sense.

This whole Cameron deal is like the elephant in the room that too many Rig-Talk regulars pretend doesn't exist.

If there was an ebay seller taking money and not delivering, not communicating, etc... this entire community would be all over the issue, but for some reason certain people think Cameron has immunity.

You claim to have vast experience in the industry. Yet while understanding the 'complexities and problems' of a small business, you claim to lump 'promises, lying, communication' 2gether as the focus of the problem you find with Cameron as a manufactuer. those ARE the problems with a small business!!! As a builder your trying to get your product out as fast as possible, at it's very least, to avoid a cancellation. Who wants to hit a customer with a financial penalty for cancelling an order?? So,... Do you take phone calls an emails from irate customers and folks with tech questions all day long or get to building?? It's a bitch when it's a 2 man job. I totally agree that the simple way out of most of this is an email or a phone call, but IMO your throwing the baby out with the water. I'm focused on the end result. When you find something that far an away beats the SHIT out of what's available on the market and deceide you have to have one, youre damn well willing to wait. You STFU and realize that you werent stupid enuff to put the fkn rent money up for the amp and expect a winning CUSTOM amplifier will come when its done, and leave OCD issues for the therapist. All Good things take time. I'd rather not have them rush out product and have a half-assed version show up at my door, otherwise I could go to GC and by a run of the mill Marshall 2morrow... Ive held orders on Custom BC rich guitars for almost 3 fkn years because of internal bullshit. Custom Jackson, almost 2 years, easy, no problem, (Pre and post Fender....) Yeah, I had to tapdance to keep the orders alive via calls an emails. That much is true in terms of True Customer Service, But are you gonna tell me that Mark an Chris working out of a shop somewhere should have it all over HHI or Fender??!?? Please.... I know theyve been shaky, but thats no reason to cash in before the ''Amp of your dreams' comes to the door....

 

[Odin]

I don't wanna talk much since I have nothing to do with issue but look man...

I agree with you totally on some parts and how a business should be and all that shit. I bet you 99% of the people do too.
What you're not realizing is, your argument doesn't help neither the customer nor the business owners. You come across as one of those hardcore feminists who defend all the girls in the word while they never asked for your help. I'm not even saying you're wrong here...

I'm not trying to help the people who put their money down or the company, but if discussing their business practices helps a potential "customer" then it's helping.