How can anyone seriously defend Cameron at this point?

[Odin]

You claim to have vast experience in the industry. Yet while understanding the 'complexities and problems' of a small business, you claim to lump 'promises, lying, communication' 2gether as the focus of the problem you find with Cameron as a manufactuer. those ARE the problems with a small business!!! As a builder your trying to get your product out as fast as possible, at it's very least, to avoid a cancellation. Who wants to hit a customer with a financial penalty for cancelling an order?? So,... Do you take phone calls an emails from irate customers and folks with tech questions all day long or get to building??

You either (a) don't take money until you KNOW when you can deliver product, or (b) you communicate clearly and frequently with any and all customers and potential customers. They have done neither.

 

[Digital Jams]

I don't wanna talk much since I have nothing to do with issue but look man...

I agree with you totally on some parts and how a business should be and all that shit. I bet you 99% of the people do too.
What you're not realizing is, your argument doesn't help neither the customer nor the business owners. You come across as one of those hardcore feminists who defend all the girls in the word while they never asked for your help. I'm not even saying you're wrong here...

I'm not trying to help the people who put their money down or the company, but if discussing their business practices helps a potential "customer" then it's helping.

and RT has provided you a forum to do so, Mark's forum.

 

[Meathead]

B. it's booze related


C. it's drugs related

Thats the case for 78.2% of the world..

He makes a seriously nice sounding rock amp...

It's a shame that he has such an opportunity of people wanting it and he's messing it up.

 

[degenaro]

Assume much?

 

[thiswaythatway]

id bet my last dollar chris schimdt has control of all the money and mark cameron has a severe drug addiction. bad combo huh?

It's one thing to speculate with your buddies offline about someone like Mark but you're saying some serious shit on a public forum to accuse him of having a drug problem without having your facts straight.

 

[NaturalBornBoy]

Say whatever you like about the hardships/challenges of running a small business but IMO, if you don't have the manpower to produce your amps in a timely fashion, then for goodness sake stop taking orders for the time being ! There are a shitload of people who have placed deposits for the amp way before NAMM. Make their amps first, clear all your pre-order backlog then resume taking new orders. Is this concept so difficult to comprehend

There are guys waiting years just for a mod......not a new amp ! WTF is going on ? If you're too busy trying to get your own amp line out, why in the hell would you want to accept mod jobs in the first place ? Or at the very least, return the amp and straight up tell these guys that you have no time to do any mod jobs for now cos' you need to concentrate on your amp line. It's not rocket science

 

[Marshall Law]

it's the whisky talking , yea no one, but mark can build an amp ? hire some help????? this is ridicules!!!! I would never order an amp now,,, and believe me,,,, I can afford one!!!!!! no problem

 

[GRK]

it's the whisky talking , yea no one, but mark can build an amp ? hire some help????? this is ridicules!!!! I would never order an amp now,,, and believe me,,,, I can afford one!!!!!! no problem

Yet you can't spell ridiculous

 

[Marshall Law]

it's the whisky talking , yea no one, but mark can build an amp ? hire some help????? this is ridicules!!!! I would never order an amp now,,, and believe me,,,, I can afford one!!!!!! no problem

Yet you can't spell ridiculous

like i said it's the whisky talking

 

[GRK]

it's the whisky talking , yea no one, but mark can build an amp ? hire some help????? this is ridicules!!!! I would never order an amp now,,, and believe me,,,, I can afford one!!!!!! no problem

Yet you can't spell ridiculous

like i said it's the whisky talking

Would love a glass or 10 myself . But I gotta do my 1 hour midnight jog instead

 

[Marshall Law]

Don't worry, I will have At least 1, or 3 for you my friend

 

[evhfan]

Say whatever you like about the hardships/challenges of running a small business but IMO, if you don't have the manpower to produce your amps in a timely fashion, then for goodness sake stop taking orders for the time being ! There are a shitload of people who have placed deposits for the amp way before NAMM. Make their amps first, clear all your pre-order backlog then resume taking new orders. Is this concept so difficult to comprehend

There are guys waiting years just for a mod......not a new amp ! WTF is going on ? If you're too busy trying to get your own amp line out, why in the hell would you want to accept mod jobs in the first place ? Or at the very least, return the amp and straight up tell these guys that you have no time to do any mod jobs for now cos' you need to concentrate on your amp line. It's not rocket science

18 months ago i sent mark a plexi reissue for his 3-channel mod. after waiting about a year word got out that he's starting his own line of amps. i was told then that all the mods would have to wait until the amp line is up and running...effectively saying that even though I (and others) sent in their mods a year aho (or more) that we'd have to go to the back of line and wait until his business is running. It seemed very unlikely to me then that we'd ever see any of our mods, mods paid in FULL, because what would motivate mark to finish our mods when he's taking orders for new amps.

in my dealings with mark the guy was always very nice and we'd always end up talking about amps for an hour or so....i just don't think i'm ever going to see that amp.

i'm not sure what you have to put down for a new cameron...i think i read here 50%...i think the issue is that we give mark all or most of the money upfront and he has no real motivation to get an amp done...if we only gave him say $500 as a deposit he'd me more motivated to finish an amp and get the rest of the money.

just saying...

 

[PeteLaramee]

Mark is...

B. it's booze related


C. it's drugs related


He's too talented to just sit on it....IMO just my view.

I've been thinking one of these may be the issue for a while, but didn't want to speculate. Or an illness or death in the family - you can't tell your customers this because it's going to look like you're making excuses or looking for sympathy. Add that to possibly getting pcboards that don't quite sound like you thought they would or any other problem that can occur with a vendor and the uphill battle can turn anyone into Sisyphus...just when the top of the hill is in sight the boulder rolls back down and you have to start over only now you're further back than when you started before.

Having said that I was debating ordering a ccv for a while now. Until something changes I won't. When J.B. gets a refund you know you need to step back and take a look at what's going on. I can defend an optimistic eta set by Mark and Chris and not wanting to backpedal when the unrealistic goal is not reached, but something else is going on. I don't think for one second these guys are out to rip off anyone, but the fact that they are not very business savvy should be obvious to anyone who's not a retard.

 

[philb]

For whatever the reason, it's a shame really. Those amps sound really good.

 

[shreder75]

Say whatever you like about the hardships/challenges of running a small business but IMO, if you don't have the manpower to produce your amps in a timely fashion, then for goodness sake stop taking orders for the time being ! There are a shitload of people who have placed deposits for the amp way before NAMM. Make their amps first, clear all your pre-order backlog then resume taking new orders. Is this concept so difficult to comprehend

There are guys waiting years just for a mod......not a new amp ! WTF is going on ? If you're too busy trying to get your own amp line out, why in the hell would you want to accept mod jobs in the first place ? Or at the very least, return the amp and straight up tell these guys that you have no time to do any mod jobs for now cos' you need to concentrate on your amp line. It's not rocket science

18 months ago i sent mark a plexi reissue for his 3-channel mod. after waiting about a year word got out that he's starting his own line of amps. i was told then that all the mods would have to wait until the amp line is up and running...effectively saying that even though I (and others) sent in their mods a year aho (or more) that we'd have to go to the back of line and wait until his business is running. It seemed very unlikely to me then that we'd ever see any of our mods, mods paid in FULL, because what would motivate mark to finish our mods when he's taking orders for new amps.

in my dealings with mark the guy was always very nice and we'd always end up talking about amps for an hour or so....i just don't think i'm ever going to see that amp.

i'm not sure what you have to put down for a new cameron...i think i read here 50%...i think the issue is that we give mark all or most of the money upfront and he has no real motivation to get an amp done...if we only gave him say $500 as a deposit he'd me more motivated to finish an amp and get the rest of the money.

just saying...

dude, everytime I read the story of your two year amp mod wait it irks my liver...LOL

 

[shreder75]

I see this from both sides...

if I gave someone that much cashola and got the runaround I'd be as bent outta shape as a wet hen...

on the flipside, the stories of people waiting months if not years to have their amps modded after having paid in full up front are well documented....

so while I understand people being pissed that they shelled out over a grand with seemingly no light at the end of the tunnel, it really shouldn't come as a surprise to anybody..

if it takes that long to get an amp back that's already built and in a case that needs to be modded, why would an amp that's being built from the floor up arrive in a shorter time frame?

it was the talk of the boards in the months leading up to NAMM the one before this past one..so that's two namms ago and it didn't show up then..

if it were me, I'd wait until the product is starting to go out the door and ship to people's homes before I shell out a dime..

not to piss anybody off who gave this dude their hard earned cash, but the writing was on the wall

and before anybody gets their dander up, I'm not taking pot shots at mark or people who pre ordered or defenders or detractors or anything..just saying, it is what it is..

 

[Vrad]

Say whatever you like about the hardships/challenges of running a small business but IMO, if you don't have the manpower to produce your amps in a timely fashion, then for goodness sake stop taking orders for the time being ! There are a shitload of people who have placed deposits for the amp way before NAMM. Make their amps first, clear all your pre-order backlog then resume taking new orders. Is this concept so difficult to comprehend

There are guys waiting years just for a mod......not a new amp ! WTF is going on ? If you're too busy trying to get your own amp line out, why in the hell would you want to accept mod jobs in the first place ? Or at the very least, return the amp and straight up tell these guys that you have no time to do any mod jobs for now cos' you need to concentrate on your amp line. It's not rocket science

18 months ago i sent mark a plexi reissue for his 3-channel mod. after waiting about a year word got out that he's starting his own line of amps. i was told then that all the mods would have to wait until the amp line is up and running...effectively saying that even though I (and others) sent in their mods a year aho (or more) that we'd have to go to the back of line and wait until his business is running. It seemed very unlikely to me then that we'd ever see any of our mods, mods paid in FULL, because what would motivate mark to finish our mods when he's taking orders for new amps.

in my dealings with mark the guy was always very nice and we'd always end up talking about amps for an hour or so....i just don't think i'm ever going to see that amp.

i'm not sure what you have to put down for a new cameron...i think i read here 50%...i think the issue is that we give mark all or most of the money upfront and he has no real motivation to get an amp done...if we only gave him say $500 as a deposit he'd me more motivated to finish an amp and get the rest of the money.

just saying...

dude, everytime I read the story of your two year amp mod wait it irks my liver...LOL

LOL!
As opposed to Scott who gets the amp to you in 6 weeks and then calls you to apologize that it took so long because he was swamped with orders! LOL!

Not thanks! I'll take the Splawn. Oh shit.. why did I get involved in this shitstorm.. LOL!

 

[D/FW XJ'er]

18 months ago i sent mark a plexi reissue for his 3-channel mod. after waiting about a year word got out that he's starting his own line of amps. i was told then that all the mods would have to wait until the amp line is up and running...effectively saying that even though I (and others) sent in their mods a year aho (or more) that we'd have to go to the back of line and wait until his business is running. It seemed very unlikely to me then that we'd ever see any of our mods, mods paid in FULL, because what would motivate mark to finish our mods when he's taking orders for new amps.

in my dealings with mark the guy was always very nice and we'd always end up talking about amps for an hour or so....i just don't think i'm ever going to see that amp.

i'm not sure what you have to put down for a new cameron...i think i read here 50%...i think the issue is that we give mark all or most of the money upfront and he has no real motivation to get an amp done...if we only gave him say $500 as a deposit he'd me more motivated to finish an amp and get the rest of the money.

just saying...

That's a really shitty way to run a business. Sorry to hear you got screwed on your amp, and hopefully you get it back.

There are too many amp modders around to deal with that kind of shit.

 

[Gainfreak]

Reading all of the numerous threads (on Rig-Talk and other forums) about people getting ripped off by Cameron on both the new amps and on mods, how can anyone seriously defend the company? There is no excuse, none whatsoever, for what Cameron has done.

Countless promises that amps are going to ship...and then nothing. Cameron spends big bucks (your money?) on a big booth at NAMM and takes even more orders, but still nothing. Cameron and his people get defensive on the forums when anyone dares to question their business practices, yet meaningful and honest communication is non-existant with the company.

I wanted a CCV-100 in the worst kind of way, and I was ready to pre-pay. After reading the months and months of rumors and complaints, I held off and figured I would order one when people started getting their amps and I felt safer about product availability. Now, after reading everyone's experiences, I would be a fool to ever send money to Cameron for anything.

I still wouldn't mind picking up a used CCV-100 if they ever hit the market, but consider that any used Cameron should be viewed as a non-warrantable item since Cameron doesn't deliver on promises and the odds of ever getting warranty service seem questionable based other people's experiences.

I hope that people can get their deposits and prepaid order money back. The entire situation is bad. Potential customers should be forewarned.

I don't think I can say anything better then my Brother Harry did but you definitely have more then a few sweeping generalizations in your statements ODIN. First off, id like to say that Im truly sorry about what has happened to certain forum members and friends. I made that very clear on HC and I although I don't agree with a lot of stuff that has happened ,I do think that there will be some light at the end of the tunnel as soon as Chris and Mark can get things sorted out. With that said No one really knows how much pressure that Chris and Mark are under and since they are probably way to busy to reply, we are not getting the whole story.


By the way Odin, Im not sure where you got your NAMM booth info from but its totally false. No customers money was used for the booth at all.

All the best everyone.

Ralph

 

[BlackRose]

All of the childish Fuk Off replies from Chris & Mark have stopped, no defense huh ?
If they're too busy taking care of things, then great, but I have my doubts.