I Guess These Are Actually Real (Evil Pumpkin)

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saxxamafone said:
I've seen this too in both home setups but also pro studios.

to me it's more showing that the cab and mic setups are more responsible for changes in the overall tone more so than the amp.

With a lot of high gainers being based on similar circuits, it makes sense.

I've also found I can hear a bigger difference between amps in the room vs when they're recorded.
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In the room is the only way to truly experience the amps right . Or you get the persons chain . But ya I totally agree
 
I just can't get over how he dimes the gain. The only time I ever dimed the gain on an amp was years ago when I was a newbie and had no idea what I was doing.
 
Sounds pretty good here in this iPhone clip. Definitely doesn’t need max gain or a boost, or max gain with a boost.

 
Bram576 said:


Here’s a link to the video for others.
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Jason’s tone is always killer. This demo doesn’t do much for me. I’m pretty sure I can get better tone out of my 6505+ with the right boost and cab.
 
It sounds pretty good in the demo to me, with the mindset that it's supposed to be that modern raspy, saturated high gain sound. Really tight lows for downtuning, super aggressive hairy high end, very saturated gain level. This is the same tone so many other high gain metal amps are doing these days because it's the IN tone right now.

And yes, if you can manage to dig into some schematics, so many amps are pretty similar these days. The era of pushing boundaries as far as gain, pleasing high gain, stopped in '92 or '93ish. Now we aren't after more gain, we're after more specialized voicing taste, which is why there are so many boutique manufacturers and also so many people who say they hate X boutique maker but love Y boutique maker. They are both making nearly the same amp, but voiced slightly differently based on the designer's taste, so you either love it or hate it. It's also why I think a lot of makers are so private about their design, because it's really not that special, but they've figured out that people will pay for artificial scarcity and "vibes" or "aura" or whatever hype/buzz word sells an amp this month. (I'm not blaming them, or saying it's easy to build an amp btw, that stuff is difficult and R&D time is valuable/marketable)

This is in contrast to the "old days" where your selection of amps was much lower, and if you weren't going to have it modded (or didn't have good info on what mods to even do, there are famous mods like Jose but think about how many shitty mods there were especially before the internet), so you'd work around that core tone, maybe add some pedals or effects etc. now it's like "I didn't like the pick attack at 2238Hz, time to buy a new amp" (and I'm as much at fault for this as anyone else, I do the same thing).

*'92-93 is the time I point to because that's when we got the ENGL Savage, VHT Pittbull, Peavey 5150, Marshall 6100, Mesa Dual Rectifier, Diezel VH4, and many others still considered to be "modern" high gainers even though they are 30 years old
 
Yep same old same old. I think some people are tone deaf. Seriously.

I think that amp has more useable gain and more on tap than anyone will ever need. Add high output pickups and your gain meter pegged on 11 without a boost. I think boost pedals are appropriate for certain amps but not all.
Maybe it’s like a safety blanket. Or someone should start BPA. Boost pedals anonymous 🤣😂

Hendrix, Trower, Eddie, schenker, and so many more used pedals to shape a amps tone.

I think you can achieve a lot more with a 10-12 band EQ in the loop. Both for shaping the tone and for boosting.
 
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