Jose sighting in the wild

[Smash]

Unfortunately, like RaceU4Her stated, it is basically about the market for collectors.
They can currently produce exact duplicates of a 1959 Les Paul burst, but the real thing is always going to be more valuable, because the supply has "dried up", and they have gotten even harder to acquire. But with the way that research has progressed, they have discovered how to age wood, and re-claim old wood these days, so some of the newer builds can actually sound better with tighter neck fittings and newer glue, etc....., or at least sound VERY close.
Not to mention that NOT EVERY 1958, 1959, and 1960 Les Paul even sounds great anymore, they are just impossible to get, hence the price. So as electronic components begin to age, wear out, and need replacing to keep the original Jose amps functional, the true unmolested originals are probably going to skyrocket in price.

I would easily seek out a Cameron mod, over this original Jose A. amp, any day of the week. BUT.... my wallet looks at things from a player's perspective, instead of a collector's standpoint. It is getting nearly impossible to find a real Jose mod anymore, so the prices are going up, and will continue to rise for people that absolutely MUST POSSESS one. But who knows, someone could buy this exact amp, and pass it down to their kid, who could eventually retire on it's worth,

It is all a shell game as far as collectability, and I just want to play my guitar........

Just my 2 cents......

I think the people selling now are the smart ones. This is the ceiling. Anyone who cares about these are aging out. What kids are listening to van halen? Of those, who knows what amp he played? Of those who knows the name of the modder? Of those small number, who cares?

The people who know/care/ have the money are going to die off in the next 30 years. So for me the market seems to be shrinking-not growing.

Please enlighten me how my math is wrong here, but it seems a foolish investment. @hellzington made the right call.

If it brings you happiness, then great. But dont argue future value

 

[Smash]

All this said, I once put a rotting piece of bacon on a hook and caught a catfish that fed me quite well. How can i blame Reza for the same thing?

 

[ners]

The amount of people here who lack understanding of the world outside of themself is astounding.

 

[japetus]

I don't hate on guys wanting to collect historical amps...but man. That mod is known through and through. If I wanted that why not just have one built?

 

[Smash]

I don't hate on guys wanting to collect historical amps...but man. That mod is known through and through. If I wanted that why not just have one built?

Your lack of understanding is disgusting! You are making way too much sense

 

[japetus]

Your lack of understanding is disgusting! You are making way too much sense

46&2 did say like $4620 dollars I think

 

[alund]

What kids are listening to van halen?

I really believe more kids listen to VH and the like than we realize. I have people ask us all the time for 60-70-80-90s tunes at our shows. I think the same people like dance music at the club scene but they ask for these antiquated songs by name. And they know the words… good music never dies-and it spans generations. We all have seen 20 year through 70 year olds rocking out to foreigner, Van Halen, and Toto. That’s my penny’s worth.

 

[JackBootedThug]

That’s baller money…more power to them. I think it’s an investment that will just go up. Plus you can play it….

 

[jb44]

Nineteen grand or make offer?

I can't believe people are dumb enough to even contemplate paying anything close to that. I also can't believe someone is greedy enough to use that as a buy it now price.

There's no direct correlation between how much money one has as disposable income & the person's IQ.

Look at sports athletes who go broke after leaving the game. Yet many of the athletes made gazillions while they were competing.

Or how about the wealthy folks who got bamboozled by Madoff.

 

[braintheory]

I respect the sounds exceptional part more than a piece of history..

Most of the gear I love is a piece history because of how great it sounds. Whether that’s the case with a real Jose I don’t know

 

[Smash]

Most of the gear I love is a piece history because of how great it sounds. Whether that’s the case with a real Jose I don’t know

I dont know either. Would need to play it in person. But i would like to play the rest of your gear a lot more than this antiquated one

 

[braintheory]

You're paying for the rarity and and name and history (if that stuff matters to you). But it's a pretty small group of people who even know the name "Jose". We're talking what... maybe 1,000 people in the entire world. Take all of that away, though, and it's a Superlead with a pretty basic mod that sounds kinda bad IMO. Then again, every clip from this guy sounds like that. So it's hard to say.

There’s probably way less than a 1000 people who know what some of the 6 figure or 5 figure classical guitars are, but it’s proven to be more than enough for many of those guitars to have a lot of liquidy on the market (in some cases more than Cameron’s). As for real Jose’s I have no idea, so I won’t go there, but just saying 1000 is plenty if so imo

Probably less people I’d imagine that know what Cameron’s and I bet less than 200 that know what Gjika or Ronin are yet they’ve sold for real Jose prices (low 20’s for these 2 makers in 2 cases I’m aware of)

 

[braintheory]

I dont know either. Would need to play it in person. But i would like to play the rest of your gear a lot more than this antiquated one

I would too lol. To be honest I played once one real Jose modded ‘79 JMP2203 and slightly preferred the stock version I was able to AB with at the time, but it didn’t sound anything like the clips I heard of Reza’s Jose or others. It sounded basically to me just like the stock 2203 just a bit more gain, tighter, a little more compressed and smoother (which I didn’t care for)

 

[OUTLAW1969]

Yeah, certainly not arguing future value, just mentioning how irrational the collector mindset can be. PURELY A HYPOTHETICAL DISCUSSION.

I personally would not pay anything close to the asking price, but I am NOT a collector.

There might be a "ceiling" to its current value, today.......but who knows in 30 years, there could be a resurgence of that era of music, and the current buyer's kid is going to pull "dad's old music crap" out of the attic, and make a mint, lol. The desire to have something that no one else has, or can have, causes a lot of people to irrationally part with their money.........even if it gets thrown away in 40 years, when the buyer passes away, and none of the family knows that it is anything more than just an old guitar amplifier.

But who knows, a future collector, and fan of that era of music might think....... "Oh, it has leaky bulging caps, all of the values have drifted, it sounds like crap and is probably dangerous to play for fear that it will break........but it is one of the last ones in circulation..........Gotta have it."

I see your point about it being a bygone era, but there will always be future fans of that era of music and equipment, especially when the stuff becomes more scarce. Not the earlier Marshall itself, but because Jose A. had his hands inside of it. It will only be worth, what that ONE guy is willing to shell out....to possess it..... as MINE, MINE, MINE.........

 

[shar-vell Dan]

Im a Marshall guy. Got my first JMP @ St. Charles Guitar Exchange in 1982'. The owner & I had a fairly good relationship.
In 2011 i sent a different JMP that was old & tired to David Friedman [before he had his own amps & merch].
Dave created a one of a kind amplifier that i really wish i had 40 years ago.
I don't need the best or most expensive but i do have an amp built to my spec's and couldn't be happier.
Its funny how these $20K amps appear from nowhere and gets a buzz going from most here that live paycheck to paycheck.

 

[Smash]

Yeah, certainly not arguing future value, just mentioning how irrational the collector mindset can be.

I personally would not pay anything close to the asking price, but I am NOT a collector.

There might be a "ceiling" to its current value, today.......but who knows in 30 years, there could be a resurgence of that era of music, and the current buyer's kid is going to pull "dad's old music crap" out of the attic, and make a mint, lol. The desire to have something that no one else has, or can have, causes a lot of people to irrationally part with their money.........even if it gets thrown away in 40 years, when the buyer passes away, and none of the family knows that it is anything more than just an old guitar amplifier.

But who knows, a future collector, and fan of that era of music might think....... "Oh, it has leaky bulging caps, all of the values have drifted, it sounds like crap and is probably dangerous to play for fear that it will break........but it is one of the last ones in circulation..........Gotta have it."

I see your point about it being a bygone era, but there will always be future fans of that era of music and equipment, especially when the stuff becomes more scarce. Not the earlier Marshall itself, but because Jose A. had his hands inside of it. It will only be worth, what that ONE guy is willing to shell out....to possess it..... as MINE, MINE, MINE.........

 

[PurityS.L.G]

Well @alund , you going for it or what? I’ll be more than happy to pick it up for you

 

[CrystalSky]

You're paying for the rarity and and name and history (if that stuff matters to you). But it's a pretty small group of people who even know the name "Jose". We're talking what... maybe 1,000 people in the entire world. Take all of that away, though, and it's a Superlead with a pretty basic mod that sounds kinda bad IMO. Then again, every clip from this guy sounds like that. So it's hard to say.

Let’s make a IIc+? I know you are good with amps.

How much would that set me back?

 

[alund]

Well @alund , you going for it or what? I’ll be more than happy to pick it up for you

 

[RedPlated]

That’s baller money…more power to them. I think it’s an investment that will just go up. Plus you can play it….

This is what’s it’s all about. I’d rather have my money in amps and guitars that will appreciate and be able to enjoy them and play them at the same time. Hard to get any satisfaction like that out of your investment accounts. I have those too, you have to diversify, but I call all my gear “money in the bank.” As long as you buy them at a reasonable price you can always get your money back out. If you make money, cool. But you still got to enjoy it along the way even if you didn’t.

I’ve made more gains on some amp and guitar purchases than I have on my investment accounts over the years. I didn’t plan it that way, they were collector pieces I really just had to have. And they appreciated a lot.

I’m not a rich guy, but I think this all comes down to perspective based on your tolerance and ability to purchase expensive items. It’s all relative and subjective. For some people, $20k is pocket lint. For others, it’s the difference between making the mortgage and paying bills and surviving. That person isn’t going to be able to justify or understand a $20k amp.