I’ve only ever had them in closed back cabs. One a 4x12 Avatar traditional and another a Peavey 2x12 that is kind of compact. That one is a convertible back but I always kept it closed. Funny thing is the 2x12 was darker sounding than the 4x12z
I had a Bogner 2x12 that had an Anniversary and a Greenback in it and it sounded glorious for rock tones.
The H’s have good bass and I don’t mind the brightness either. It’s the inherently hollow midrange vs M magnets that’s the problem to me. I really dislike it and all the H mag Celestion’s have it. I think many who think it’s too bright really might be put off more by the poor midrange quality than the actual higher frequencies. I find often times when one complains that a sound is “too bright” they really mean something else lol
Aren't V30s and redbacks H-mag? Surely you wouldn't say they have a hollow midrange. ?
Redbacks I’ve not tried. Just heard clips and didn’t interest me since they sounded to me too smooth, bland and dark. As for V30’s it really depends what you’re comparing them to. Versus H30’s or H75’s, yes, much better midrange than those, but vs the M mag models, especially the 20w GB, the comparatively hollow midrange in them gets exposed pretty clearly (all versions of v30’s imo). I’ve done the AB comparisons. I still like V30’s if used with the right amp (like many Boogies) and mixed with the right speakers, but with the speakers I have now they don’t really have much of a place for me anymore other than being something practical to use to preserve life in my good vintage speakers
I find it more helpful to talk about the negative parts, even in gear that I think is among the best in their class. Too many guys on forums/internet exaggerate or go through silly honey moon phases with new gear, not being very accurate or realistic
Sounds like I'm going to go from night to day.
Maybe a dumb question, but couldn't I just turn my mids knob up?
I know that the h 30 projects the highs a lot. I definitely turn up my mids with it.
I dont mean to say i dont love greenies. I do. Its just the ones i have tried sound a bit round compared to the annies
The H75 sounds a lot more hollow to me than the H30, which actually has decent mids IMO. Compared to a greenback which is like all mids they’re pretty pulled back, but I don’t think they sound hollow per se.
Sam knows where he wants his mids. To me, my w800 with the h30s gives me that boosted jcm sound. But there is a different kerrang there than with a marshall. It is a bit harsh and very angry. It is not refined or smooth like some modded marshalls. But the wizards have a low mid spike that isnt dominant in my version, but can still be detected. No one would call my amp dark, but before the h30s i would look at presence and treble a little more.
I would love to try the speakers you have tried. I almost want to grab a quad of golds and put them in my ugly marshall jcm 900 cab. Might just do that
Yeah it’s also worth pointing out if you run a Marshall or similar amp loud enough (especially with 50 watts or less) that you get the compression from the power section working, speakers like the H30’s start to sound a lot better. The way that compression rounds off the higher treble and fills out the low mids and upper bass (to the point of things getting loose and flubby sometimes) ends up working well with H30’s where, as much as I like greenbacks, they can kind of fall apart past a certain point. Sometimes that works for what you’re doing of course.
Personally, my Metro JTM45, I run at 6-7 on the high volume, I jumper right now and run the normal volume around 4.
Tonally I meant. Turning them up I’d argue can make it worse in a way because it’s sorta like emphasizing where it sounds bad to me lol
The 25w gb’s I’d agree typically are vs Annie’s, but imo not the case with 20w GB’s. Different animals. I have pre-rola 25w GB’s and they’re great, but I don’t use them much since I’ve got 20’s
I agree and it’s to be expected with higher wattage speakers like the H75 to be even more hollow and worse tonally (just how higher wattage speakers are IME for more headroom/efficient and more extended bottom end). I hate the H75’s. The H30’s still though for my taste are too hollow, but I guess it can depend what you’re used tonand the context of the setup they’re used in
Might be good in that cab. For whatever reason the Gold’s are so underrated. They’re literally the only non-vintage speakers that I’d still have a place for. I love the heritage 20’s too, but don’t use them much since I’ve got some of the pre-rola versions
