Marshall Teased Modded SLP1959 and 800

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romanianreaper said:
I actually dig a lot of the songs on the new album but they are bit more polished than I'd like.

Ypu know what is crazy? I was stationed in area in in the early 90s and Green Day did a show on the soccer field i played on. I didn't get to see it but people said it was really cool. Coincidentally, Tool did a show in Hawaii on a flatbed trailer downtown and Maynard cut himself up and was bleeding all over the place. I missed that show too, lol.
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I hear you, and I don't disagree with anybody listening and liking their new material. I just can't get myself to like what they got out after American Idiot. It's like Megadeth... people are liking their last couple of albums a lot. I've even tried to force me to like them, because of Kiko, but I could not.
I guess I'm becoming what my father was, and turning into what I used to think was a stubborn cranky man, but I'm just realizing that, the older I get, he was actually being smart, because the older you get, the less time you'll have to enjoy the things you like. So, why waste it with things you're only Ok with it?
Now, we were lucky to be able to watch those bands live, that's for sure!
My first Green Day concert was in 97, I believe. They played at a Volleyball gymnasium in my city in Brazil, and the acoustics were dread awful!!! But it was one of the best concerts I've seen. Better even than the three other times I've seen them in the US.
Fast forward to mid 2000s, when I was working at Hollywood Vintage, BJ walked in and I've helped him to pick a couple of vintage Les Paul Jr. He was incredibly nice, and when I told him where I was from, he mentioned playing in Brazil. When I told him the city in specific, and that I was on one of his concerts there, he immediately said "One of the worst acoustics I've ever heard! But one of the craziest crowd I've played for"! And it was true, they were on fire that evening!!!
So, it was incredible to hear that from him.
 
SBlue said:
I guess I'm becoming what my father was, and turning into what I used to think was a stubborn cranky man, but I'm just realizing that, the older I get, he was actually being smart, because the older you get, the less time you'll have to enjoy the things you like. So, why waste it with things you're only Ok with it?
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Oh yeah man, trust me i get it. I'm going to be 55 this year and I'm definitely getting more cranky, lol. I enjoy smaller shows with more people these days. I'd rather see Mac Sabbath in a small club than Maiden in an arena, haha. (Maiden kicked ass though!).

I just think people have let politics ruin everything, including the music they love. I was in the military when American Idiot came out and we were at war and some of my friends tried to tell me how anti war/Bush the album is. I was like "who give a shit???". I've always been a military hippy. Always loved RATM, Roger Waters, etc. but also dig Ted Nugent and other "right view" bands.

At the end of the day, we all argue in this country because we are free, and that is amazing. I just want all of the music, no matter what the message is. I agree with you, go see who you like and don't waste time in this life with things you don't. ???
 
Marshall may have killed it with these amps if they didn't forget to add the tube gain stage in front of it... to me that seems to be a critical part of these mods... they did it on the afd but for this mod series forgot about it I guess.
 
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I like the clips I heard of the modded 800 so far since I don't usually do really hi gain stuff. But yeah, another tube gain stage would have been nice. With the mods on the 800 it really should be only a few hundred at most over the stock 800 price.
 
romanianreaper said:
Oh yeah man, trust me i get it. I'm going to be 55 this year and I'm definitely getting more cranky, lol. I enjoy smaller shows with more people these days. I'd rather see Mac Sabbath in a small club than Maiden in an arena, haha. (Maiden kicked ass though!).

I just think people have let politics ruin everything, including the music they love. I was in the military when American Idiot came out and we were at war and some of my friends tried to tell me how anti war/Bush the album is. I was like "who give a shit???". I've always been a military hippy. Always loved RATM, Roger Waters, etc. but also dig Ted Nugent and other "right view" bands.

At the end of the day, we all argue in this country because we are free, and that is amazing. I just want all of the music, no matter what the message is. I agree with you, go see who you like and don't waste time in this life with things you don't. ???
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I agree 100%.
And thank you for you services. You're part of the reason why this country is free. And I really appreciate that.
 
SBlue said:
I agree 100%.
And thank you for you services. You're part of the reason why this country is free. And I really appreciate that.
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Thanks dude! I was blessed to be in the military man. They took care of all of my needs for nearly 22 years. I had friends that lost parents when they were stationed overseas or had a sick kid and immediately the military got them home. I miss how everyone too care of each other.

I think people would be surprised how varied military people are too. But everyone is held to the same standard of respecting each other. Tons of rockers in the military too, lol. I met a guy when I was in Tech School that played drums in Kix before they were famous. It's crazy. I was in bands while in the military and my "other job" was the military ???
 
GiorgioV said:
He played bass models with the caps from a lead in the tone stack.
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Just the tonestack? I've got a Plexi clone that I had modded to be switchable to Super Bass and it's essentially just three switches difference.

a) Be able to switch V1A cathode cap/resistor from 2K7/0.68 to 1K/330uF
b) Be able to change tonestack from 33K/500pF to 56K/500pF
c) Be able to change from 0.022uF PI coupling caps to 0.1uF

Interested to see if he has some weird combo of Lead/Bass I could replicate.
 
I like the tone of both the 1959 and 800 modified on the Marshall/Steve Smith videos. Seems to me both amps sound really good. Yeah it could be cheaper, yeah it could have more switches, yeah it could have been done differently/sooner/later/never yadda yadda.

It sounds pretty good. That is all. From my understanding, but I could be wrong, the 1959 modified is turret board/made in Britain with chassis mounted jacks/pots/tube sockets. I'd be kinda difficult to find something else of the same build quality, not made by uyghur slaves and sounding this good at a lower price. Not too bad.

I see a 1959 modified in my future when they hit second hand sites.
 
Jack Luminous said:
I like the tone of both the 1959 and 800 modified on the Marshall/Steve Smith videos. Seems to me both amps sound really good. Yeah it could be cheaper, yeah it could have more switches, yeah it could have been done differently/sooner/later/never yadda yadda.

It sounds pretty good. That is all. From my understanding, but I could be wrong, the 1959 modified is turret board/made in Britain with chassis mounted jacks/pots/tube sockets. I'd be kinda difficult to find something else of the same build quality, not made by uyghur slaves and sounding this good at a lower price. Not too bad.

I see a 1959 modified in my future when they hit second hand sites.
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I can show you the exact same amp at about $1500 lower price: the 1959HW. It's the same amp. Buy that and install the Granger Jose mod kit for $25 lol
 
FourT6and2 said:
I can show you the exact same amp at about $1500 lower price: the 1959HW. It's the same amp. Buy that and install the Granger Jose mod kit for $25 lol
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Yeah, obviously I know that but I like having the switches and front-panel decals properly done at the factory. It's stock. The mk2C+ is a slightly modified amp yet it commands stratospheric prices because the mod was done at the factory.

I like my Gibson Axcess. The price was outrageous. I could have one built by a local luthier for half the price. I could take a standard LP and shave the neck heel. etc. I still like my Gibson Axcess better. I bought it used for roughly half the new price on german ebay. I liked it so much I bought another one used in Cali two years ago.

So in the end, the "modified" thing is not worth $1500 to me and I never buy new anyway (like cars) but once it will be second hand, I'd like to have one. Thing looks and sounds great. Price is not outrageous compared to the competition.
 
so what do you guys in the US think about the price of an unmodded 1959HW? here in the UK you get a lot of amp for the money- a HW plexi made by in the UK by the OG. as a reference a friedman plex here is £1000 more- add more comparing to the 1987x.

Maybe it’s low demand that drove the prices - not many can use a 100W non-mv amp in any practical scenario- but i’m starting to think that if the unmodded ones had been more expensive- and imo they could- people wouldn’t complain about the on-cost of the modded ones.
also, more demand for modded marshalls so why not charge more.
 
Catthan said:
so what do you guys in the US think about the price of an unmodded 1959HW? here in the UK you get a lot of amp for the money- a HW plexi made by in the UK by the OG. as a reference a friedman plex here is £1000 more- add more comparing to the 1987x.

Maybe it’s low demand that drove the prices - not many can use a 100W non-mv amp in any practical scenario- but i’m starting to think that if the unmodded ones had been more expensive- and imo they could- people wouldn’t complain about the on-cost of the modded ones.
also, more demand for modded marshalls so why not charge more.
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The 1959HW is a decent buy here in the USA. I think you could probably find a new one for $2300. Used, even less. But for some reason, people are asking MORE for used ones on Reverb than the price of a new one. Delusional sellers I guess.

The other thing to think about is that, today, the 1959HW is no different from any kit amp. The iron Marshall is using is not the same as it once was and I'd personally rather use iron from Heyboer, Marstran, or Merren, over what Marshall is currently using. And the rest of the components in a new 1959HW are no different than what you would find in a decent kit. The same pots. The same jacks. The same switches. The same wire. The same turret boards. The same resistors. The same capacitors. The same tube sockets. So why buy the Marshall one?

I can turn any 1959HW or any turret-board clone into a fire breather with a useable master volume—diode clipping, plate-fed stack, 4 gain stages, 5 gain stages, whatever. I don't need Marshall to phone in a half-baked, half unfinished mod that's just a bright cap and some diodes on a switch.
 
FourT6and2 said:
That's exactly what Marshall's marketing team is counting on.
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Nothing wrong with that. When a boutique manufacturer releases a mundane/done-a-million-time-already amp at an outrageous price, it's always and de facto somehow justified by fairy dust/crystal lattice/black gooped mystery. Marshall doesn't need that. Good for them.
 
Jack Luminous said:
When a boutique manufacturer releases a mundane/done-a-million-time-already amp at an outrageous price, it's always and de facto somehow justified by fairy dust/crystal lattice/black gooped mystery.
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Not by me. And not by anybody with a modicum of technical know-how.
 
FourT6and2 said:
The 1959HW is a decent buy here in the USA. I think you could probably find a new one for $2300. Used, even less. But for some reason, people are asking MORE for used ones on Reverb than the price of a new one. Delusional sellers I guess.

The other thing to think about is that, today, the 1959HW is no different from any kit amp. The iron Marshall is using is not the same as it once was and I'd personally rather use iron from Heyboer, Marstran, or Merren, over what Marshall is currently using. And the rest of the components in a new 1959HW are no different than what you would find in a decent kit. The same pots. The same jacks. The same switches. The same wire. The same turret boards. The same resistors. The same capacitors. The same tube sockets. So why buy the Marshall one?

I can turn any 1959HW or any turret-board clone into a fire breather with a useable master volume—diode clipping, plate-fed stack, 4 gain stages, 5 gain stages, whatever. I don't need Marshall to phone in a half-baked, half unfinished mod that's just a bright cap and some diodes on a switch.
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In the UK at least folks would by a Marshall out of brand loyalty and pride in their country's manufacturing and rock legacy coupled to being able to drive it down and have it maintained at the factory. Obvs people overseas cannot do the latter, neither is the £3K cost of a modded Marshall easily digestible by the Brits either I don't think..

I think what Marshall will always (??) be able to bank on is the emotional reaction at the site of an amp stack associated with arena rock stages and video clips of rock awesomeness. add a smidge more gain to that and you're competing with the boutique bois.

Out of curiosity/ naivity then bc I honestly don't know? why would one buy a Friedman plex, Suhr SL68, Germino, Metro etc over a HW1959 or even a good kit? assume previous decent quality Marshall transformers - don't think they changed too long ago.
What is there inside these amps the potentially warrants their boutique status and pricing? From a tech POV - don't want to start a measuring contest on who's amp sounds the best.
 
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