MESA/Boogie® Mark IIC+ full demo & overview ft. Doug West & Tommy Waugh

TheGreatGreen said:
Jesus.

Whoever decided that Mark amps should still be sold, much less demo'd, in 1x12 open back combo format should be escorted straight to the nearest nursing home.
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I hate combos!
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PurityS.L.G said:
Honest question for the fanbois;

Does the price not bother you at least a little bit? Are you just numb to the 5-10k price tags of the OGs that this looks like a bargain to you to spend on? I see Mesa’s other brand new offerings for equal or less prices with WAY more features and versatility that lend themselves much more value.

Gibson is smarter than you think. You lost this round.

I’m not hating on the amp at all and I really do hope everyone who ordered one is beyond happy with their purchase. I really do. It’s just for that price you can get so much more value from another amp, like the new Bogner Snorkler for instance, same dual mode shared EQ thing but only $2879.
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I definitely won't be buying a new one at that price point, I don't know if they're likely to be cheap enough used that I'd consider it.

I already have a mark III and V though, and they fit that bill close enough for me anyway.
 
TheGreatGreen said:
The Riffs Beards and Gear guy does chug demos. Leon Todd does a lot of palm muting heavy playing too but mixes in a lot of chords and lead stuff also.
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These two are okay at best. Easier to watch than Glen. I don't think very many people play heavy guitar anymore. I quit decades ago. I don't know anyone that still plays that stuff. There must be other people that could do a video for this amp ?
 
I seriously wish companies would just have me do their "heavy" tones.

If that is supposed to sell me on this reissue that's pathetic.

That "rock crunch" tone sounds like a boss katana.

Ask scottosan, I legitimately make better sounding tone demos than this. Which is mind boggling

Do they even want their products to succeed?

All of that money on lighting and cameras and they make a iic+ sound like THAT.
 
GJgo said:
No, you hate healthy caps!
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Speaking of, i wonder if there's something wrong with the iic+ in that video, honestly

Even at ridiculous settings I've never heard one sound that boxy and "small" before
 
Which demo?

IMO, short Mark combos of every generation have always sounded like boxy dog shit. They're just the wrong size for proper sonic breath.

The wide mark combos however sound pretty good, for a "not combo guy" I've been pretty happy with a few of those including IIB, IIC+, IV and V.
 
DanTravis62 said:
Speaking of, i wonder if there's something wrong with the iic+ in that video, honestly

Even at ridiculous settings I've never heard one sound that boxy and "small" before
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Honestly, I think hanging out in places like this recalibrates a person’s expectations of what a great high gain guitar tone can be.

How many truly incredible heavy guitar tones do you hear outside of records cut in pro studios with producers known primarily for good metal guitar tone, a very small handful of youtubers, and people on forums like this specifically dedicated to it? And hell the Venn diagram for those last two groups is practically a circle. it’s an incredibly niche skillset and it’s very easy to fuck up.

I think the simple truth is that the people recording those videos just have no idea what the fuck they’re doing. The one or two attempts at big huge sound from these demos so far I’ve been from people who just think “middle slider all the way down = heavy” and that’s it. It’s like they don’t even listen to their own recordings.

I don’t think there was anything wrong with the gear in these demos, I just think the people recording them haven’t made a good part of what they do specifically about recording good heavy tones, and as a consequence they all made the amp sound like shit.
 
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CrystalSky said:
A bit steep. More than annual wage here. More than 3 of those wages to be precise.

Plus worked on by belgian shop instead of Mike B himself.

And then again, if I am not wanted without it, I wouldn’t bother coming back when I get it 🤨
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I have Coliseums and I don't want to be in his club either! 😜
 
TheGreatGreen said:
Honestly, I think hanging out in places like this recalibrates a person’s expectations of what a great high gain guitar tone can be.

How many truly incredible heavy guitar tones do you hear outside of records cut in pro studios with producers known primarily for good metal guitar tone, a very small handful of youtubers, and people on forums like this specifically dedicated to it? And hell the Venn diagram for those last two groups is practically a circle. it’s an incredibly niche skillset and it’s very easy to fuck up.

I think the simple truth is that the people recording those videos just have no idea what the fuck they’re doing. The one or two attempts at big huge sound from these demos so far I’ve been from people who just think “middle slider all the way down = heavy” and that’s it. It’s like they don’t even listen to their own recordings.

I don’t think there was anything wrong with the gear in these demos, I just think the people recording them haven’t made a good part of what they do specifically about recording good heavy tones, and as a consequence they all made the amp sound like shit.
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I mean, yeah, .....but who the fuck do they think is shelling out the money for these amps?

Producers. YouTubers. People on forums like this dedicated to it.
 
DanTravis62 said:
I mean, yeah, .....but who the fuck do they think is shelling out the money for these amps?

Producers. YouTubers. People on forums like this dedicated to it.
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Exactly! Gibson didn't do their homework on this one and paid a bunch of dumbasses who also didn't do their homework to make terrible demos aimed at a market share that doesn't exist.
 
I honestly think mesa nailed this amp , just extremely unexciting sounding and bland. This is literally what I hear everytime I hear these things: thin, midrangey as hell, and super compressed.

I truly don't think anyone really listens to the old Metallica records with discerning years. They just hear james being incredible and the best riffs of all time, and think that the answers are amazing. But when you get them on a good pair of monitors or headphones you realize how little game there was and how much of it is just his great playing. It’s his playing. It was great riffs, I’m convinced this is what it is.
 
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