More Cameron CCV pics from today 8/23/11

[King Guitar]

Hey Guys,

The amps are almost done, thank god. We are thrilled with the workmanship on the electronics which is meticulous and Mark will begin testing to his spec shortly. The Logos came in but they are crooked (See Picture) so we need to get more done ASAP. Here are some ongoing pictures of the process. These amps are going to be incredible when finally done. For all your patience and coolness you first run guys have a lot to look forward too for sure.

Thanks again from Myself, Rob, Dave and Mark.

pics:

Crooked Logo:

Stuffed and Ready Boards:

Midi Board:

 

[RedB4Black]

Looks great. Thanks for the update.... Looking forward to getting mine.

 

[jmgman69]

I love amp porn!!

 

[rlord1974]

That's awesome Brad. Thanks so much for the update. I'm SUPER psyched to plug into mine and take her for a whirl......

 

[LP Freak]

Put the crooked logos on the first run, they'll be worth more. Kinda like a three legged buffalo nickel.

 

[killertone]

All the tubes are pcb mount?

 

[Anonymous]

All the tubes are pcb mount?

only the pres...

Steve

 

[chumbucket]

All the tubes are pcb mount?

I was saying the same thing when I saw the boards. That kind of steers me away. I know that modern PCB is supposed to be more reliable than they used to be but I never really have any issues with my hardwired, turret board gear.

 

[Anonymous]

All the tubes are pcb mount?

I was saying the same thing when I saw the boards. That kind of steers me away. I know that modern PCB is supposed to be more reliable than they used to be but I never really have any issues with my hardwired, turret board gear.

It is absolutely ridiculous to shy away from an amp like the CCV because it has PCB mounted preamp tubes. That board is an 1/8" thick. There are going to be absolutely zero issues from having them PCB mounted.

If your beef is turret board vs. PCB for the other components, that is ridculous as well, as a well thought out PCB design is going to be much more consistent with less build time. There is no way a modern channel switcher like the CCV could be built consistently and fast enough to meet demand in a hand wired turret board design.

Steve

 

[dawnofdreamx97]

All the tubes are pcb mount?

I was saying the same thing when I saw the boards. That kind of steers me away. I know that modern PCB is supposed to be more reliable than they used to be but I never really have any issues with my hardwired, turret board gear.

It is absolutely ridiculous to shy away from an amp like the CCV because it has PCB mounted preamp tubes. That board is an 1/8" thick. There are going to be absolutely zero issues from having them PCB mounted.

If your beef is turret board vs. PCB for the other components, that is ridculous as well, as a well thought out PCB design is going to be much more consistent with less build time. There is no way a modern channel switcher like the CCV could be built consistently and fast enough to meet demand in a hand wired turret board design.

Steve

DUDE +1 --- the circuit board is insanely thick. I have an original fx loop board at my house that mark gave me and you cannot even attempt to bend it or break it in half, its intense.

 

[thiswaythatway]

Put the crooked logos on the first run, they'll be worth more. Kinda like a three legged buffalo nickel.

3 years from now the crooked logo models would be the cherished limited run of special amps with extra mojo in the electronics that the other models can't touch tonewise.

 

[twenty4_7spy]

Maybe send out the crooked logos as an "extra" once they are replaced and leave it up to the owner whether to put it on. That way the proud owner has the option of saying: " Mine is a CROOKED CAMERON".

 

[chumbucket]

All the tubes are pcb mount?

I was saying the same thing when I saw the boards. That kind of steers me away. I know that modern PCB is supposed to be more reliable than they used to be but I never really have any issues with my hardwired, turret board gear.

It is absolutely ridiculous to shy away from an amp like the CCV because it has PCB mounted preamp tubes. That board is an 1/8" thick. There are going to be absolutely zero issues from having them PCB mounted.

If your beef is turret board vs. PCB for the other components, that is ridculous as well, as a well thought out PCB design is going to be much more consistent with less build time. There is no way a modern channel switcher like the CCV could be built consistently and fast enough to meet demand in a hand wired turret board design.

Steve

Steve, your argument about the advantages only benefit the builder in terms of build speed (and profits essentially).
Maybe it's a coincidence but every hand wired board amp (Hiwatt, Marshall, Fender) that I've owned has run absolutely trouble free except for tubes or caps. Every amp that I've owned with a circuit board had gone in the shop at one time or another for failed components and then you run the risk of lifted solder traces and other weirdness. If that's what I have to do to channel switch, I'd rather just run two heads and switch between them. I just have a hard time trusting them I guess.

 

[Anonymous]

One of my favorite comments on the whole PCB thing (Click on the pic and read the fine print fellers! Stevie got a wicked sense of humor





Steve

 

[PeteLaramee]

One of my favorite comments on the whole PCB thing:





Steve

I love that pic.

 

[Anonymous]

Steve, your argument about the advantages only benefit the builder in terms of build speed (and profits essentially).

No, you see, that is where you are wrong. You, the buyer, benefit from a less expensive, more consistent sounding, more easily maintainable and more available amplifier. Also, let's get real specific here - I am talking about complex, modern channel switchers like the CCV, not single channel amps that are reasonably cost effective to build hand-wired turret design. It is much easier to make the lead dress consistent on a single channel (although as many old Marshalls prove - not fool proof), and unless you are really stamping them out like Marshall, quick enough to build. Channel switchers, with loops, midi, etc are much too complex to build this way if there is reasonable demand. They are going to cost more because they take more time. Personally, I still would not shy away from a single channel PCB amp made with quality components and boards...

Maybe it's a coincidence but every hand wired board amp (Hiwatt, Marshall, Fender) that I've owned has run absolutely trouble free except for tubes or caps. Every amp that I've owned with a circuit board had gone in the shop at one time or another for failed components and then you run the risk of lifted solder traces and other weirdness. If that's what I have to do to channel switch, I'd rather just run two heads and switch between them. I just have a hard time trusting them I guess.

I think your experiences with PCB amps have more to do with cheaper components and mass manufacturing than anything inherent in PCB design. I'll also say you have been lucky with your turret board Marshalls, as an absolutely common complaint is how different one old Marshall sounds from another. Components do not wear any differently on a PCB than on a turret board - that is common sense. There should be no reason a qualifed tech lifts a solder trace replacing a component or any other "weirdness".

Choose whatever works for you, but there is no reason to believe a well built, PCB designed amp using really good components like the CCV will not give you great tone and many years of trouble free service...

Steve

 

[Devilinside]

Couldn't you just get Mark C to mod the logo?

 

[killertone]

All the tubes are pcb mount?

only the pres...

Steve

Cool.

I figured as much but wanted to be sure. PCB mounted pres are just fine, IMO. Just thought for $3500 the Power tubes should be chassis mount and I was right!

FYI - it was just a question and not meant to start a shitstorm. I could care less either way as i am not interested in the amp, I was just curious.

 

[rlord1974]

FYI - it was just a question and not meant to start a shitstorm. I could care less either way as i am not interested in the amp.....

.....YET!

 

[Anonymous]

All the tubes are pcb mount?

only the pres...

Steve

Cool.

I figured as much but wanted to be sure. PCB mounted pres are just fine, IMO. Just thought for $3500 the Power tubes should be chassis mount and I was right!

FYI - it was just a question and not meant to start a shitstorm. I could care less either way as i am not interested in the amp, I was just curious.

I don't think you started a shitstorm - it is just an interesting discussion because there are a lot of misconceptions about PCB vs. turret board design... even with regards to PCB mounted power tubes if ya talk to ole Stevie Fryette!

Steve