More Cameron CCV pics from today 8/23/11

[Anonymous]

What you're paying for in the CCV isn't the hand labor to wire the power tubes. It is high quality components and boards, custom transformers, etc...

Steve

In the case of the CCV it looks like that is true. In some other similarly priced amplifiers you get both.

I agree with that as well and I think I know who's amps you may be talking about, however, even that individual realizes that continuing to build his amps with turret boards is not a tenable business model long term. I've discussed it with him. For the complex channel switchers, he will move to PCB when he gets the time to re-design...

Steve

 

[killertone]

What you're paying for in the CCV isn't the hand labor to wire the power tubes. It is high quality components and boards, custom transformers, etc...

Steve

In the case of the CCV it looks like that is true. In some other similarly priced amplifiers you get both.

I agree with that as well and I think I know who's amps you may be talking about, however, even that individual realizes that continuing to build his amps with turret boards is not a tenable business model long term. I've discussed it with him. For the complex channel switchers, he will move to PCB when he gets the time to re-design...

Steve

I honestly wasn't talking about any builder in particular. I would say the things I have said in this thread about any amplifier that was priced in the same price point.

 

[Anonymous]

I'm not sure why you are running the heaters that way when using pcb you think it would be DC regulated anyway.. maybe had some noise problems there or forgot the heater traces, that is not what a $3500 amp looks like. Looks like some caps are the wrong PCM/lead spacing.

I wonder if I can move off the 1st production run list and maybe back or get off until after this stuff gets fixed. If not maybe sell my spot in line. I think you guys that got the ones Mark built have something special in my opinion..

Man... you cannot win around here... I guess posting progress pics is a bad idea....

Just curious - could you point out which caps on those boards have the wrong lead spacing? I'm not seeing it...

Steve

 

[usajackson]

I wonder which board will make a better sounding amp? The one with the black and red wires twisted clockwise or counterclockwise?

 

[232cap]

Wow we have a lot of electronics engineers around here, lead spacing, how many twists per inch on the heater circuit give it a rest. A few pics and its a gash fest . Lets just see what the final product brings.

 

[OUTLAW1969]

Some of you guys are trying to kill this beast, before it is even built. I certainly understand that if you put 5 guitarist with some amp knowledge in a room, that everyone is going to speculate how they would have done things differently. And shortly after that, they will begin to argue over who has a bigger d*ck.

Mark Cameron's amps are the ones that sound the best to me, and obviously ALOT of other people on this board, too. For the doubters.......Have you ever spoken to Mark about a problem with your amp? The man will obsess over what seem like the smallest details, but in the end... the amp blows your fucking face away from your skull. Mark designed it, Brad and Rob are bringing it life, and we will play these things for years, and years, and years.......because of Marks design. Mark is meticulous with his designs, and I don't think that he is so afraid of Brad's "umbrella rage" , that he would compromise the integrity of his circuit, just to move ahead with production. Sure it is easier to build, but Mark would drive himself crazy before he would sign off on something that was sure to break.


Something tells me that Mark could totally dissapear from the face of the earth, and Brad would still be able to guarantee this design. If it breaks, Brad will get it "right" for you again. Whether it is warranty work, or total PCB replacement, the design is on paper now.......so it can be fixed.

 

[King Guitar]

I will check with Mark on the wires to see if the crew didnt quite twist them the correct way, Remember Mark is going to look all of these over and approve them before going into headshells.

Also this is Marks design, the final and ultimate CCV design that he came up with, Mark sat with Ron from RJM Electronics and meticulously designed the new board and hand picked the parts list for days and got the exact board and parts he wanted.

We are trying to show you guys everything and keep you in the loop, sometimes to our own detriment but we are all family here. One thing is for sure, these will be the best Camerons to date. Bank on that.

 

[pstar]

Be the best.

 

[Shiny_Surface]

I will check with Mark on the wires to see if the crew didnt quite twist them the correct way, Remember Mark is going to look all of these over and approve them before going into headshells.

Also this is Marks design, the final and ultimate CCV design that he came up with, Mark sat with Ron from RJM Electronics and meticulously designed the new board and hand picked the parts list for days and got the exact board and parts he wanted.

We are trying to show you guys everything and keep you in the loop, sometimes to our own detriment but we are all family here. One thing is for sure, these will be the best Camerons to date. Bank on that.

If you stop posting pics because of the hassle, you become like all the rest imo. It's one of the things that sets Rig Talk apart imo.

Speaking more freely where censorship might occur elsewhere, posting pics that might invite criticism, etc.

 

[PeteLaramee]

Can't we all just get along? What this thread needs is a vid of men dancing with men.

 

[FourT6and2]

I wonder which board will make a better sounding amp? The one with the black and red wires twisted clockwise or counterclockwise?

Maybe you should go build a few amps and wire up some heater wiring yourself so you'll understand that twisting them properly really does have a huge effect. Lead dress will 100% affect how the amp sounds with regard to noise. That is not a myth.

Wow we have a lot of electronics engineers around here, lead spacing, how many twists per inch on the heater circuit give it a rest. A few pics and its a gash fest . Lets just see what the final product brings.

I said nothing about how many twists per inch there should be. But if you actually look, you'll see that those heaters are not actually twisted at all if one of the leads is just straight, while the other is wrapped around it. It looks like the person who did that wiring had never done it before... I'm not trying to kill anything or start an argument. But I know how twisted-pair wiring should be. A high-gain amp such as this will generate a lot of noise if the lead dress isn't done properly, especially on the heaters. If the CCV utilizes DC heaters, then it's not important. It was simply on observation.

If you'd like some qualification on my knowledge, I'd be happy to show you a few amps I've personally built as a reference. I wish all the best to those involved with this venture. I might even order a CCV, myself. But I call it like I see it. This isn't about me, though. I see sub-par lead dress on a very expensive amp that many people are looking forward to. I'm just bringing this to peoples' attention so maybe an oversight can be fixed before the amps ship out. If there is a real reason the lead dress is like that, then I apologize for bringing it up.

 

[tweed]

I'm not sure why you are running the heaters that way when using pcb you think it would be DC regulated anyway.. maybe had some noise problems there or forgot the heater traces, that is not what a $3500 amp looks like. Looks like some caps are the wrong PCM/lead spacing.

I wonder if I can move off the 1st production run list and maybe back or get off until after this stuff gets fixed. If not maybe sell my spot in line. I think you guys that got the ones Mark built have something special in my opinion..

Do you own an AxeFx by chance?

 

[FourT6and2]

I will check with Mark on the wires to see if the crew didnt quite twist them the correct way, Remember Mark is going to look all of these over and approve them before going into headshells.

I menat no harm by bringing up the heater wiring. It just caught my eye, is all. And from my experience (and many other's) lead dress is crucial.

 

[King Guitar]

I will check with Mark on the wires to see if the crew didnt quite twist them the correct way, Remember Mark is going to look all of these over and approve them before going into headshells.

I menat no harm by bringing up the heater wiring. It just caught my eye, is all. And from my experience (and many other's) lead dress is crucial.

No worries, nothing is leaving without being just the way Mark wants it so its cool. Sometimes in our mission to share all with you guys we might be a little too quick to post up pic and info before it is 100% sorted. Its all good.

 

[thiswaythatway]

I wonder which board will make a better sounding amp? The one with the black and red wires twisted clockwise or counterclockwise?

Seriously, this has gotten plain ridiculous. Brad shouldn't bother to post anymore pics since there's just to many electronic guru's here. Again.

 

[rokker]

Thanks guys

Now that you've trashed the pics, those of us who have actually bought the amps won't get any more much anticipated updates.
I'm no engineer but I doubt ANY of those chiming in have the technical knowledge of Mark Cameron.

 

[LP Freak]

What's to worry? The next pictures should be of Brad loading them on the UPS truck.

 

[Anonymous]

Thanks guys

Now that you've trashed the pics, those of us who have actually bought the amps won't get any more much anticipated updates.
I'm no engineer but I doubt ANY of those chiming in have the technical knowledge of Mark Cameron.

Well... I have a BS in Electrical Engineering, so I have plenty of technical circuit knowledge about much more compex circuits than guitar amps, but I've said nothing but positive things about the CCV design in this thread, so you're probably not talking to me. The truth is, none of us know whether the amp (in this iteration) has DC heaters or not, which would make the twisting of the heater wiring in the pictures irrelevant and mainly cosmetic. If the heaters are not DC, then FourT6and2 is correct in his observations about the heater wiring...

Steve

 

[King Guitar]

Thanks guys

Now that you've trashed the pics, those of us who have actually bought the amps won't get any more much anticipated updates.
I'm no engineer but I doubt ANY of those chiming in have the technical knowledge of Mark Cameron.

Well... I have a BS in Electrical Engineering, so I have plenty of technical circuit knowledge about much more compex circuits than guitar amps, but I've said nothing but positive things about the CCV design in this thread, so you're probably not talking to me. The truth is, none of us know whether the amp (in this iteration) has DC heaters or not, which would make the twisting of the heater wiring in the pictures irrelevant and mainly cosmetic. If the heaters are not DC, then FourT6and2 is correct in his observations about the heater wiring...

Steve

I am told the new CCV design does feature elevated DC heaters.

 

[Anonymous]

Thanks guys

Now that you've trashed the pics, those of us who have actually bought the amps won't get any more much anticipated updates.
I'm no engineer but I doubt ANY of those chiming in have the technical knowledge of Mark Cameron.

Well... I have a BS in Electrical Engineering, so I have plenty of technical circuit knowledge about much more compex circuits than guitar amps, but I've said nothing but positive things about the CCV design in this thread, so you're probably not talking to me. The truth is, none of us know whether the amp (in this iteration) has DC heaters or not, which would make the twisting of the heater wiring in the pictures irrelevant and mainly cosmetic. If the heaters are not DC, then FourT6and2 is correct in his observations about the heater wiring...

Steve

I am told the new CCV design does feature elevated DC heaters.

Steve