NAD part Ii: 1992 boogaloo

DanTravis62 said:
Apparently it's impressive to people to just wank scales over elevator music, if that's what I need to do to be a real guitar player in plx eyes I certainly can record myself doing that instead of writing actual music

I can certainly do it with more technical skills than plx, too

I just don't consider that making music - it's just jerking off
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What a great inspiration VH’s leads were for many players lol. He was a real musical master…..bater with jaw dropping abilities. Those are the kinds of leads I wish I could write. Maybe when I’m older I’ll understand better the deeper sense of his majestic harmony, elegant/tasteful phrasing and sophisticated modulation happening in those licks that clearly aren’t mindless noodly gobblygook. I actually never clicked on his clips, partly since he never opened other guy’s links lol (does he think he’s gonna get hacked or something)
 
DanTravis62 said:
That's hilarious

One of the only aesthetically pleasing amps they ever do, and he hates it
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Yep. It was also Hartley's idea to hide the Peavey Delta logo, 5150 logo, and "made in the USA" badge behind the cage instead of being mounted in front. He really just couldn't stand that the amp wasn't some black and teal plastic monstrosity with big dumb white vertical stripes on each side and a logo that looks straight out of a bored middle schooler's notebook.
 
TheGreatGreen said:
Yep. It was also Hartley's idea to hide the Peavey Delta logo, 5150 logo, and "made in the USA" badge behind the cage instead of being mounted in front. He really just couldn't stand that the amp wasn't some black and teal plastic monstrosity with big dumb white vertical stripes on each side and a logo that looks straight out of a bored middle schooler's notebook.
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I always thought the Peavey logo looked like a hillbilly version of the Jetson's logo.
 
braintheory said:
What a great inspiration VH’s leads were for many players lol. He was a real musical master…..bater with jaw dropping abilities. Those are the kinds of leads I wish I could write. Maybe when I’m older I’ll understand better the deeper sense of his majestic harmony, elegant/tasteful phrasing and sophisticated modulation happening in those licks that clearly aren’t mindless noodly gobblygook.
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Yes my child. As you mature, you will realize that even though he doesn't know any scales, he is able to intuitively navigate between harmonic minor, phrygian, lydian, aeolian while occasionally throwing in rapid-fire pentatonic bursts along with 2 step bends that ascend to the heavens on the wings of angels.
 
braintheory said:
What a great inspiration VH’s leads were for many players lol. He was a real musical master…..bater with jaw dropping abilities. Those are the kinds of leads I wish I could write. Maybe when I’m older I’ll understand better the deeper sense of his majestic harmony, elegant/tasteful phrasing and sophisticated modulation happening in those licks that clearly aren’t mindless noodly gobblygook. I actually never clicked on his clips, partly since he never opened other guy’s links lol (does he think he’s gonna get hacked or something)
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Apparently lots of people think going 457 from the A string and landing on the root note on the high e string over and over (the so-called "Van Scalen") with no regard to the scale, mode, or harmony of the composition is masterful melodicism
 
DanTravis62 said:
Apparently lots of people think going 457 from the A string and landing on the root note on the high e string over and over (the so-called "Van Scalen") with no regard to the scale, mode, or harmony of the composition is masterful melodicism
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But clearly it’s all about the timing and swing in those gorgeous lead passages. You just don’t get it. The timing is so amazing that no one else can do it the way Ed did it and somehow the timing alone means the lines actually become melodic and full of clear direction and very sophisticated/haunting harmonies. No one can also can get the same swing in their whammy, pick scrape or tapping the way he did it. There’ll never be another like that (at least I hope not with respect to leads). One in 10 billion at least
 
braintheory said:
But clearly it’s all about the timing and swing in those gorgeous lead passages. You just don’t get it. The timing is so amazing that no one else can do it the way Ed did it and somehow the timing alone means the lines actually become melodic and full of clear direction and very sophisticated/haunting harmonies. No one can also can get the same swing in their whammy, pick scrape or tapping the way he did it. There’ll never be another like him (at least I hope not with respect to leads). One in 10 billion
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Playing everything in 6/8 swing whether the song is in a swing or not certainly is a choice lol

I think his rhythm playing is vastly more interesting than his leads
 
DanTravis62 said:
Playing everything in 6/8 swing whether the song is in a swing or not certainly is a choice lol

I think his rhythm playing is vastly more interesting than his leads
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Yes, all kidding aside I love many of his riffs and his rhythm. My favorites are I’m The One and Mean Street. And it is impressive some of the really smart gear combinations he figured out without the internet back then (like mixing JBL’s and 20w GB’s, awesome mix IME and I normally don’t like mixing speakers as much). I guess if anything since there was all this great stuff, the vapid leadwork just sticks out that much more to me from the contrast of lots of other stuff being great
 
DanTravis62 said:
Playing everything in 6/8 swing whether the song is in a swing or not certainly is a choice lol

I think his rhythm playing is vastly more interesting than his leads
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braintheory said:
Yes, all kidding aside I love many of his riffs and his rhythm. My favorites are I’m The One and Mean Street. And it is impressive some of the really smart gear combinations he figured out without the internet back then (like mixing JBL’s and 20w GB’s, awesome mix IME and I normally don’t like mixing speakers as much). I guess if anything since there was all this great stuff, the vapid leadwork just sticks out that much more to me from the contrast of lots of other stuff being great
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Yes. We are all in agreement. Van halen had an awesome tone and his rhythm was fucking tits.

The vast majority of his solos were mastabatory and lost the song
 
TheGreatGreen said:
Yep. It was also Hartley's idea to hide the Peavey Delta logo, 5150 logo, and "made in the USA" badge behind the cage instead of being mounted in front.
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Well, if that was his idea that's the only time he got something right on the Peavey amps.

The logo behind the grill has always look great to me. Originally i liked the idea of the open grill but everybody has beaten that to death. To me other than a full size Marshall and a the Hiwatt heads, the OG 5150/6505 is the best looking amp out there.

I still contend the XXX would have been a much more successful amp had the aesthetics been better.
 
Smash said:
Yes. We are all in agreement. Van halen had an awesome tone and his rhythm was fucking tits.

The vast majority of his solos were mastabatory and lost the song
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Exactly! Really the vast majority of guitar solos in almost any song aren’t really any better (it’s such a rare find), but because the rest of the songs are often so cool the quality of the solo section really is a sore thumb in it and the combination of them being flashy in a way I find gimmicky and lacking taste it just makes me rip on them hard plus all the other many players after that sadly followed suit with this style of play rather than more tasteful leads like Rhoads or Friedman. I get it, it’s really hard to compose a truly good guitar solo, but if you can’t do it then just don’t imo. It’s not a must have for the song to be complete
 
jabps said:
Well, if that was his idea that's the only time he got something right on the Peavey amps.

The logo behind the grill has always look great to me. Originally i liked the idea of the open grill but everybody has beaten that to death. To me other than a full size Marshall and a the Hiwatt heads, the OG 5150/6505 is the best looking amp out there.

I still contend the XXX would have been a much more successful amp had the aesthetics been better.
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I will say I think the logos and badges behind the cage did turn out to look great. However, I've seen 5150's with the logos mounted in front of the cage and it looks every bit as good. I just think it was a catty bitch move on Hartley's part that just happened to work out, lol.

Also, totally agree that the XXX's trailer trash look prevented it from becoming a classic.
 
TheGreatGreen said:
I will say I think the logos and badges behind the cage did turn out to look great. However, I've seen 5150's with the logos mounted in front of the cage and it looks every bit as good. I just think it was a catty bitch move on Hartley's part that just happened to work out, lol.

Also, totally agree that the XXX's trailer trash look prevented it from becoming a classic.
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Peavey is one of the most baffling companies (not even gear companies, just companies period) in american history

If you haven't seen the undercover boss episode, you should

Basically all of peavey's retarded fucking decisions make sooo much sense
 
DanTravis62 said:
Peavey is one of the most baffling companies (not even gear companies, just companies period) in american history

If you haven't seen the undercover boss episode, you should

Basically all of peavey's retarded fucking decisions make sooo much sense
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Dude that episode was incredible and yeah it really did bring to light just how hilariously awful Hartley and his son are.

That part where
one of their employees was so afraid of the company moving his job overseas and him no longer being able to feed his family that he lined up another job, only for one of the Peaveys to encourage him to stick around and turn down his new job offer under the promise that his job was safe because they "really needed him"... only for management to close that guy's entire site down and put him out his job anyway literally a month later. The guy said the new job offer had expired by then.

A company leader does not simply wake up one morning and make the decision to outsource an entire factory overseas a few weeks from today. Shit like that takes real time and planning. They knew good and well that guy's job was gone when they made all those promises to him.
That is some truly devious and callous shit to do to someone working for you.

Actually I'm friends with somebody who moved down to Meridian, MS a few years ago for a job. He's not even a musician and when I brought up Peavey in conversation he immediately said that even locally the family is just known by everyone to be scumbags.

It's a shame too, because otherwise there are some really good people at Peavey. I called them maybe a year or so ask about some replacement part for a 5150 as well as some questions about the Transtube Supreme heads, and the guy I spoke with was more than happy to spend time answering questions, talking to me about some of their stuff, offering suggestions and insight into their products that he didn't have offer, etc.
 
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braintheory said:
What a great inspiration VH’s leads were for many players lol. He was a real musical master…..bater with jaw dropping abilities. Those are the kinds of leads I wish I could write. Maybe when I’m older I’ll understand better the deeper sense of his majestic harmony, elegant/tasteful phrasing and sophisticated modulation happening in those licks that clearly aren’t mindless noodly gobblygook. I actually never clicked on his clips, partly since he never opened other guy’s links lol (does he think he’s gonna get hacked or something)
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I always liked EVH rhythms, same for Dimebag; the songs and riffs were great; the leads were just more goodness. IMO. Same for Michael Sweet but add those vocals to the list
 
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