New 212 cabinet?

[Klark]

I am just afraid I'll miss the thump with the 212 unless our bassist can make up that end of it.

Oh and by the way, that's exactly what your bassist should be doing. I can't even count the amount of bands that have thanked me for cleaning up their stage and foh mix because I've practically forced the bass & guitar player/s to stop stomping all over each other. You'd be surprised how many times I've had to jokingly ask who's really play bass and who's really playing guitar because the bass rig was pumping out a nice tight tone, and then the guitar player fires in with his gigantic flabby woof pile of shit.

It's not called bass guitar just for the hell of it.

 

[aeroic]

I am just afraid I'll miss the thump with the 212 unless our bassist can make up that end of it.

Oh and by the way, that's exactly what your bassist should be doing. I can't even count the amount of bands that have thanked me for cleaning up their stage and foh mix because I've practically forced the bass & guitar player/s to stop stomping all over each other. You'd be surprised how many times I've had to jokingly ask who's really play bass and who's really playing guitar because the bass rig was pumping out a nice tight tone, and then the guitar player fires in with his gigantic flabby woof pile of shit.

It's not called bass guitar just for the hell of it.

So true...so true. Guitar is a mid-range instrument for a reason!

Eric

 

[richedie]

Very true on the midrange. That's why I think a lot of these super deep, ported cabs are pointless. The guitar can only go so low! However, 412s have been popular for a reason.

On two 212 cabs, it is nice and portable but I can't honestly see using two 212s at a gig. Two 24" tall 212s would be insanely tall.......seems a 412 would be easier. That said, I will be checking out the 212 soon! I have to sell my cab first. Who wants it???

 

[Hectic Watermelon]

I'm torn at the moment between getting either a Port City 1x12 OS or 2x12 OS to park my Scums in. I have a Port City 4x12 OS and it is extremely even regardless of volume. The baffled thing Daniel at Port City has going on is very well though out. Teya re not cheap, but they are worth it. Also made in the US for the patriots out there. The first Port City I heard was when my bud Alex Machacek just had received his last summer. We were flabbergasted at how big it sounded. I didn't have my Earcandys with me, so we couldn't compare directly, but when we drove over to LA Sound Design to check on some stuff, the regular Port City 2x12 didn't sound nearly as huge. The Port City 2x12 OS is the biggest sounding 2x12 out there of what I know. When I played my kind of Dregsy-rock style through the 2x12 OS it just felt big and ballsy, and when Alex played his Holdsworth detective-meets Zappa thing and some Planet X/Virgil Donati lead sheets he was shedding for some upcoming gigs it was killer as well. Cleans felt effortless and highly touch sensitive. The only other speaker cabs I have heard recently that really got my attention where the Diamond Spec OP 4x12 and the Egnater 1x12 OS. Each of those are a very, very good cab.

 

[3 Mile Stone]

Which Scums are you parking there John???

 

[moltenmetalburn]

Port City 2x12 OS the ONLY 2x12 cabinet in existence worth playing music on. Yeah I said it. it blow your cab outta the fucking water. I got one of these and will never look back, high quality construction, awesome looks, and nutblasting tone. This MF will kick you in the gut! The comment about the ported cabs pushing bass is off. the design allows for a very even frequency spread, no frequencies are hyped, that the whole point. it also allow your speakers to have full cone travel (google xmax) which is vital for wrangling all of the possible tone out of them. I does push more air than any other cabinet. The design is "detuned" (i.e. no tuning of the port to enhance frequencies), a buzzbomb is tuned to have a specific bass push, bleh.

If you know the history of the 4x12 cabinet, it was an 8x12 originally cut into two for transport. Jim Marshall has openly admitted he never took tone into account when designing it, just a box to hold 8 speakers and then cut in half to four. every other 4x12 since then has been based off of the Marshall design. It about time cabinets are finally going under the boutique market scrutiny that leads to improvements. look around your house at your stereo/boombox/radio speakers. ill bet you'll find more ported designs than you think.

I have one eminence wizard and one swamp thing in mine. its great i play gigs where people point and snicker, "look at that little thing" etc until they hear it crush their cabs into dust then everyone wants to know what it is and why it sounds so good.

you cannot be disappointed, unless of course cabs that fart out when palm muting is your thing, some people like sounding shitty. tone is subjective.

 

[jmgman69]

Port City 2x12 OS the ONLY 2x12 cabinet in existence worth playing music on. Yeah I said it. it blow your cab outta the fucking water. I got one of these and will never look back, high quality construction, awesome looks, and nutblasting tone. This MF will kick you in the gut! The comment about the ported cabs pushing bass is off. the design allows for a very even frequency spread, no frequencies are hyped, that the whole point. it also allow your speakers to have full cone travel (google xmax) which is vital for wrangling all of the possible tone out of them. I does push more air than any other cabinet. The design is "detuned" (i.e. no tuning of the port to enhance frequencies), a buzzbomb is tuned to have a specific bass push, bleh.

If you know the history of the 4x12 cabinet, it was an 8x12 originally cut into two for transport. Jim Marshall has openly admitted he never took tone into account when designing it, just a box to hold 8 speakers and then cut in half to four. every other 4x12 since then has been based off of the Marshall design. It about time cabinets are finally going under the boutique market scrutiny that leads to improvements. look around your house at your stereo/boombox/radio speakers. ill bet you'll find more ported designs than you think.

I have one eminence wizard and one swamp thing in mine. its great i play gigs where people point and snicker, "look at that little thing" etc until they hear it crush their cabs into dust then everyone wants to know what it is and why it sounds so good.

you cannot be disappointed, unless of course cabs that fart out when palm muting is your thing, some people like sounding shitty. tone is subjective.

I guess I was wrong all this time!!!!

 

[richedie]

I just thought the PS cabs looked more gimmicky. Maybe I am wrong. Since they are so tiny, I would try a 412.

"the design allows for a very even frequency spread, no frequencies are hyped, that the whole point. it also allow your speakers to have full cone travel (google xmax) which is vital for wrangling all of the possible tone out of them"

That is what I was told about the Ear Candy when I bought, definitely not tuned to a specific frequency. I had a long talk with the owner of Stone Age cabs, great guy, who went over the numerous flaws of a ported cab and why the port basically needs to be tuned for the speakers. So, if you change speakers, the port would need adjusting. I can't be bothered.

I thought the Port City cabs were not ported? I am not familiar with them.
Looks really nice though. Now I have something else to consider, great.
http://www.portcityamps.com/wave2OS.html#

 

[moltenmetalburn]

The buzzbomb is a small circular port, and the port city has a port the entire length of the cabinet that is 1 1/8" tall. (its hard to see in the pisc but its at the bottom of the front of the cab all the way across it). the port allows all of the air the speaker pushes to freely move out of the cabinet at will. a circular hole can only allow so much at a time. yes the science says the best "tuned" ported designs should be tailored to the speakers specifications, but the port city is different than that. Ive swapped 8 types of speakers through my port city, all performed flawlessly well.

the fact that the buzzbomb was not intentionally tuned to hype a particular frequency may be true, but the end result of circular ports that are that small is a hyped frequency, whichever frequency that may be.

Id have to say the main issue is that all ported cabs get lumped into the "tuned" category when in fact there are some "detuned" ported cabs that exist and respond differently.

Before buying my port city I did a year of research on ported cabinets.

there are quite a few being made, hmmmm off the top of my head, tone tools, austin tone labs are some more, thd even has a new cab with a rear "port".


Im not trying to push you into a ported cabinet, get whatever moves you! garunteed satisfaction that way, i Just didn't want to you to overlook the Port city as it truly is awesome!

I guess I was wrong all this time!!!!

excuse my ignorance jmgman69 but im not sure what you mean, probably has to do with the fact that i don't know what the TM your referring to is, or I just missed something.

EDIT: Ahh I see now an Egnater , I'm not familiar with that one, what were you wrong (or sarcastically wrong) about?

 

[jmgman69]

But you do realize the buzzbomb is a small circular port, and the port city has a port the entire length of the cabinet that is 1 1/8" tall it allows all of the air the speaker pushes to freely move out of the cabinet at will. a circular hole can only allow so much at a time. yes the science says the best "tuned" ported designs should be tailored to the speakers specifications, but the port city is different than that. Ive swapped 8 types of speakers through my port city, all performed flawlessly well.

the fact that the buzzbomb was not intentionally tuned to hype a particular frequency may be true, but the end result of circular ports that are that small is a hyped frequency, whichever frequency that may be.

Id have to say the main issue is that all ported cabs get lumped into the "tuned" category when in fact there are some "detuned" ported cabs that exist and respond differently.

Before buying my port city I did a year of research on ported cabinets.

there are quite a few being made, hmmmm off the top of my head, tone tools, austin tone labs are some more, thd even has a new cab with a rear "port".


Im not trying to push you into a ported cabinet, get whatever moves you! garunteed satisfaction that way, i Just didn't want to you to overlook the Port city as it truly is awesome!

I guess I was wrong all this time!!!!

excuse my ignorance jmgman69 but im not sure what you mean, probably has to do with the fact that i don't know what the TM your referring to is, or I just missed something.

EDIT: Ahh I see now an Egnater , I'm not familiar with that one, what were you wrong (or sarcastically wrong) about?

I was just being a smart ass,sorry man,but when someone says the best ever or the greatest ever ,or even it will crush your shit like the flu I tend to laugh a bit.I believe the PC sounds huge and probably really good,but what are the dimensions on the PC os 212?It looks huge!!It's all good man!!!

 

[moltenmetalburn]

Yeah i understand your disdain for those types of comments, it easy to think Im just in the honeymoon period with the item. Its just that Ive been through so many cabinets and finally found the best one for me. So much so I enjoy telling others about it and I can be a pretty dramatic guy! Id hate for people t overlook this one in their neverending quest for tone as it is special indeed.

Yeah it is actually pretty big for a 2x12 but still fits in the hatchback car! very similar dimension to the bogner 2x12 if that helps.


Edit: Dimensions are: 24h x 11 1/2d x 30w

 

[richedie]

Had you tried many other brands, how about the Ear Candy cabs? Had you played a lot of trafitional 212s and oversized 212s?

Does the PS handle a variety of styles? What amp are you playing?

Thanks.

 

[jmgman69]

Yeah i understand your disdain for those types of comments, it easy to think Im just in the honeymoon period with the item. Its just that Ive been through so many cabinets and finally found the best one for me. So much so I enjoy telling others about it and I can be a pretty dramatic guy! Id hate for people t overlook this one in their neverending quest for tone as it is special indeed.

Yeah it is actually pretty big for a 2x12 but still fits in the hatchback car! very similar dimension to the bogner 2x12 if that helps.


Edit: Dimensions are: 24h x 11 1/2d x 30w

I hear Ya!!!

 

[moltenmetalburn]

Had you tried many other brands, how about the Ear Candy cabs? Had you played a lot of trafitional 212s and oversized 212s?

Does the PS handle a variety of styles? What amp are you playing?

Thanks.

Ok heres the story, I work professionally as a guitar tech for metal bands, so although I may have not actually played every single cabinet I have heard extensively, I have had experience with a plethora of cabinets. and at sound checks I have plugged in to some other guys rigs. obviously most are 4x12s but you'd be surprised how many metal bands use 2x12s when recording. most of the 2x12s I have experience with have been over sized cabs not too much with standard 2x12s except for a mesa, and a thd. i guess I cant really give you an honest comparison to a standard 2x12 but the port city 2x12 has outperformed any 4x12 I have heard and the simliar bogner oversized 2x12.

I have heard the ear candy cabs live on a few tours, some opening acts had them so I was able to compare the earcandy to the port city. the earcandy had a "compression" to it i didn't like. hard to describe but that is the term i would use.

I cant see the port city not being a versatile cabinet as it definitely was not designed with high gain in mind and still does it well, the companion amps port city makes are similar to fenders. when I do the occasional jazz or blues jamming with friends i haven't ever found the cabinet lacking.

I go through amps like hotcakes, (gotta love artist sponsorships) my employers hook me up with stuff they don't like! currently using a Krank revolution 1 (basically a jcm800 with 6l6s) heavily modified by myself with the port city, about to pick up an Einstein in LA in two weeks tho!

the best advice anyone can give you is to seek out the cabs you're interested in, don't take anyones advice blindly, mine included, you've gotta play them to be sure its for you.

 

[richedie]

Problem for some of us like me is not having the abilty to play all of these cabs to compare.

I think you can understand, plus I have been told coutless times how this or that are the best thing since sliced bread only to be dissapointed. I might end up just sticking with my little Ear Candy Boa cab - that is a killer little cab and sell the Ear Candy BB and put the money toward more modules, recoridng gear.

I actually think the Buzzbomb sounds excellent. I had the opportunity to hear it from the audience and was floored.

I have had conversations with builders about cabs and I hear a lot that you shouldn't use a square port because you are putting round sound through a square hole.

The slots run along the ground...don't know if that is really good and the cab would offer the speakers no natural comression so you might have less sustain and signal loss. Just what I have learned from talking to cab builders.

But I guess proof is in the tone.

 

[3 Mile Stone]

I've always wanted scrotum searing tones.

 

[Brain2Me2]

You should get a PortCity, but try one first, so you won't blame us if you don't like it.

 

[Valtiel]

I've always wanted scrotum searing tones.

 

[Hectic Watermelon]

Which Scums are you parking there John???

I'm gonna just start with one M75-8XHP (on recommendation from Dave Friedman and Jim @ Scumback) and pop it in one of my Earcandy 1x12s and then try to figure out what I want to do next. I really should just get the Port City 1x12 OS, but the 2x12 OS is so sick I want it - even though I don't need it...story of my life.

 

[richedie]

Brian, I know I would love to try one first but good luck finding one to test first.
Nice color! Is that front panel removable in case you ever use a different amp?

The design still scares me. Don't know about a square port. Sound is not square. John, do you have any comparison with your EC Buzzbomb?

Odd designs scare me. I bought a cab that was supposed to be incredible and the guy had the front baffle where the speakers werre mounted, slanted up a bit. Everyone I played with laughed and said it sounded like a little am radio.
So that 45 degreee angle he is talking about in the cab.