New Wolfie VH video

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It has to be a lot of pressure to separate yourself from a famous guitar player dad and make your own way.

Birthed advantages aside, he's writing rock songs, playing and fronting a band. How many people have the balls or talent to do that???

He's not trying to be a star as it's obvious from this video.. Just a dude in jeans putting himself out there and rocking out. Some rockstar sons are wine and cigar aficionados.. LOL I wanna puke.. I could never have respect for that..

It's just one song. It doesn't need to be a statement of his entire being on this planet and shouldn't be judged that way.. But WTF, it's the internet..
 
Mr. Willy said:
Can you write, track, sing, produce, and record anything better? I’m not saying you’re not allowed to have your own opinion. You absolutely are. But unless you’ve got some originals lying around that blow that song away, your negative critique of someone else’s artistic creation comes off as petty. That’s just my honest opinion. I may be 100% wrong here, but seriously, post some of your stuff up. Let us hear it. How does your original material stack up to what you’re criticizing?
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Huh? This is exactly the place for this kind of discussion. You don't have to have the ability to make better product in order to have an opinion. I can't write or direct a movie, but I still have opinions and vote with my wallet. I also thought Wolf's music was fine but nothing that jumps out from the majority of rock out there. He is selling a product and we have the choice of buying or not based on what we think, not based on what we can or can't do.
 
shred4Him said:
Huh? This is exactly the place for this kind of discussion. You don't have to have the ability to make better product in order to have an opinion. I can't write or direct a movie, but I still have opinions and vote with my wallet. I also thought Wolf's music was fine but nothing that jumps out from the majority of rock out there. He is selling a product and we have the choice of buying or not based on what we think, not based on what we can or can't do.
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Did I say that he didn’t have a “right” to have an opinion? As a matter of fact, pretty sure I said the opposite.
I don’t think the directing movies or flying planes analogy necessarily fits in this argument. This is a rock guitar based forum. It’s safe to assume that most, if not all of us here, have experience playing rock guitar to varying levels. That being the case, our viewpoints criticizing other rock musicians doesn’t come from the same place of ignorance that, say, directing movies or flying planes does. We all “know” something about the craft of playing rock guitar. Therefore, our opinions come from a more informed place. That in no way means that our opinions are any more or less valid. Everyone’s opinion is valid.
That being the case, I still say it’s much easier to pass negative criticism over someone else’s art than it is to create your own. That’s the point I’m trying to make.
 
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Mr. Willy said:
Did I say that he didn’t have a “right” to have an opinion? As a matter of fact, pretty sure I said the opposite.
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You challenged the entire validity of his opinion based on what your opinion would have been if he offered a useless answer to your challenge to make something better. So, basically your post was a massive logic contradiction.
 
shred4Him said:
You challenged the entire validity of his opinion based on what your opinion would have been if he offered a useless answer to your challenge to make something better. So, basically your post was a massive logic contradiction.
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I don’t think that’s entirely so. My opinion of the material or even of his opinion would not have changed regardless of what he produced. I guess this boils down to respect, for me, rather than the validity of an opinion. I think some opinions can be more informed, but I don’t think opinions can be valid or invalid, that’s why it’s opinion and not fact. Bottom line for me, it’s easier to sit back and criticize a song than it is to create your own.
 
shred4Him said:
You challenged the entire validity of his opinion based on what your opinion would have been if he offered a useless answer to your challenge to make something better. So, basically your post was a massive logic contradiction.
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exactly, it’s at core an elitist argument.

and it should cut both ways, too, right? If you DO like the music, post something that validates your own abilities and thus lends credence to your praise - otherwise, it’s just not valid praise right?

I guess i can understand (not necessarily agree with but at least understand) someone bemoaning the abundance of negativity in the critiquing that goes on in the world today - and as a means of expressing the frustration some euphemistic language like ‘hey, remember, it’s still a lot better than what most of us could do on here’...

but to try and actually express/impose some sort of expectation of literal correlation between one’s own ability and their opinion - the logic just totally breaks down and just stinks of elitism to me.
 
A valid opinion begins and ends with it being a subjective statement. The moment you make an objective claim with an opinion, you can easily attack the opinion. If I say something objectively sucks, not simply that I don't like it or I think it is nothing special, that opens the statement up to objective scrutiny.
 
song is cool and he's just getting started
his voice ties it all together well, props to him
self producing is not easy at all.
i'd rather jam with wolfie than go duck hunting and smoke cigars with justis mustaine, that's for sure
 
shred4Him said:
A valid opinion begins and ends with it being a subjective statement. The moment you make an objective claim with an opinion, you can easily attack the opinion. If I say something objectively sucks, not simply that I don't like it or I think it is nothing special, that opens the statement up to objective scrutiny.
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I could be wrong here, and I’m honestly attempting to understand. I don’t know if I necessarily agree with “a valid opinion begins and ends with a subjective statement.” I’m not sure an opinion can be valid or invalid. I can know nothing about something and still have an opinion on it. Can there even be objective scrutiny when it comes to whether a piece of music is good or not? Is this correct: objective scrutiny in relation to music would simply be whether it exists or not, i.e., “Stairway to Heaven” exists and is objective fact. Or, “this song is in 4/4 time.” Those are objective statements. Whether or not it is a good song is subjective to the listener.
 
Valid is probably too strong a word. The challenge with opinions, especially when it comes to things that are based on subjective taste, is that they are not always based on objective criteria. I hate punk. No reason other than I just find it to be repetitive and sloppy. My best friend loves the slop and raw emotion of it. We aren't right or wrong because it is based on what seems appealing or unappealing to us. I play guitar and my friend doesn't. His opinion isn't less valuable because I can do something he can't.

Saying that someone should be jailed for wearing blue shirts is not a valid opinion because there is an implicit appeal to an objective moral standard that can't be supported. Blue is just a color and the opinion of it has no moral value... unless you live in some strange dystopian world where a society has lost its mind.
 
Mr. Willy said:
I could be wrong here, and I’m honestly attempting to understand. I don’t know if I necessarily agree with “a valid opinion begins and ends with a subjective statement.” I’m not sure an opinion can be valid or invalid. I can know nothing about something and still have an opinion on it. Can there even be objective scrutiny when it comes to whether a piece of music is good or not? Is this correct: objective scrutiny in relation to music would simply be whether it exists or not, i.e., “Stairway to Heaven” exists and is objective fact. Or, “this song is in 4/4 time.” Those are objective statements. Whether or not it is a good song is subjective to the listener.
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i think he was saying that, definitionally, an “opinion” has an inherent subjectivity....

otherwise, it CAN be objectively argued on the merits.

think you are both actually saying the same thing, here
 
Mr. Willy said:
I hear what you’re saying here. You have every right to say you don’t like something. More power to you. On the other hand, you certainly aren’t shy about posting a negative opinion. I’ve been around here a long time. I can say with near certainty that if someone posts up a band or song they like, it’s at least an 80% chance that you’re gonna say you don’t like it or it’s not that good. Along those lines, I can say with 100% certainty that if someone posts a thread about a SLO, you’re going to chime in with how overrated they are or how they do nothing for you. It’s like clockwork.

But again, you have every right to speak your mind. I pretty much knew when I saw this thread and then listened to the track that you were going to say something negative about it, how it wasn’t that good. You do it a lot, man. You’re super critical, which is fine, maybe even good for all I know. You’re calling it like you see it just as I am here. You’re a killer guitarist with the best Marshalls I’ve ever heard, but dang if you aren’t super critical of other people’s original material. 🙂
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I’m very critical. I see no need to celebrate mediocrity or patronize anyone. People may think I’m an asshole because I’m honest, but I’d rather that than be a wind bag. 🤔😉 I’m a big nobody though, so take my opinion with a grain of sand.

I’ll use Rocco as an example, I’ve heard him play some stuff that was just ok, and I’ll say that. The other day he posted something and I liked it. So much so that I’m stealing his riff. 🤣 https://www.rig-talk.com/forum/threads/axe-fx-iii-evh5150iii-metal.219732/
 
psychodave said:
I’m very critical. I see no need to celebrate mediocrity or patronize anyone. People may think I’m an asshole because I’m honest, but I’d rather that than be a wind bag. 🤔😉 I’m a big nobody though, so take my opinion with a grain of sand.

I’ll use Rocco as an example, I’ve heard him play some stuff that was just ok, and I’ll say that. The other day he posted something and I liked it. So much so that I’m stealing his riff. 🤣 https://www.rig-talk.com/forum/threads/axe-fx-iii-evh5150iii-metal.219732/
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I know what you are saying dude... I said it wasn't my cup of tea because it's just not the type of music I'm into. My honest opinion is it reminds me of Nickelback or something along those lines.. some might take that as a dis but Nickelback has a fuck ton of fans and money so they must be doing something right, right? lol... anyway I appreciate just about all types of music and feel bad this dude has such a high bar placed in front of him. I think he has a lot in common with Jason Bonham... Jason is a good drummer and all but he is no John Bonham.
 
psychodave said:
I’m very critical. I see no need to celebrate mediocrity or patronize anyone. People may think I’m an asshole because I’m honest, but I’d rather that than be a wind bag. 🤔😉 I’m a big nobody though, so take my opinion with a grain of sand.

I’ll use Rocco as an example, I’ve heard him play some stuff that was just ok, and I’ll say that. The other day he posted something and I liked it. So much so that I’m stealing his riff. 🤣 https://www.rig-talk.com/forum/threads/axe-fx-iii-evh5150iii-metal.219732/
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Haha I like that term wind bag. I’ll have to start using it because there are a lot of them out there these days
 
Wow... tough room. I thought the song was good, and will purchase the album when it comes out. I sincerely hope he has some radio success. It would be nice to actually hear some new rock on the radio.
 
Heard a pretty rocking tune on the radio and kept wondering who it was. Then the song ended
with that little double pick scrape and sure enough it was Wolf. Liked it even better over the car
radio while cruising!
 
Good song and glad to see 5150 will be put to good use. I assume he inherited the studio/property and hopefully he will use it for many yrs to come.
 
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