Proof the Earth is round

VonBonfire said:
So what's leviathan? Pterosaur? I tend towards the megalodon but it could be some form of satan. Regardless, you're gonna need a bigger boat. :LOL:
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The term appears in 4 other OT texts: Job 3:8, Pss 74:14, 104:26, Is 27:1

In each case Leviathan refers to some mighty creature who can overwhelm man, but who is no match for God.

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VonBonfire said:
Two gusy found it flat. A couple found it curved. One guy found it concave.
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Rowbotham took everyone out to show them the boats at the other end that they shouldn't be able to see and it was said to be a mirage. They later did a more scientific experiment with each side winning depending on how it was performed.
 
311splawndude said:
Probably deserves its own thread but why do you feel this way? Being agnostic. Again, seems to be plenty of proof out there :dunno:
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Evolution I am more familiar with. There are so many ridiculous ideas incorporated that I don't even know where to begin. But lets do another thread. The evidence for Dinosaurs is way more speculative than people realize. Like Laputan pointed out, they are basically invented based on ambiguous and questionable fossil remains. They were really only 'discovered' in the 19th century, just like caveman paintings.
 
acceptance said:
Rowbotham took everyone out to show them the boats at the other end that they shouldn't be able to see and it was said to be a mirage. They later did a more scientific experiment with each side winning depending on how it was performed.
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One side used special tools in order to prove the supposed curve, which is kind of weird. I still don't get it but I'm waiting on 7704. Probably be a minute though, he's a busy man and he has a new Marshall with EV's so who cares about this anyways eh? :LOL:

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acceptance said:
Evolution I am more familiar with. There are so many ridiculous ideas incorporated that I don't even know where to begin. But lets do another thread. The evidence for Dinosaurs is way more speculative than people realize. Like Laputan pointed out, they are basically invented based on ambiguous and questionable fossil remains. They were really only 'discovered' in the 19th century, just like caveman paintings.
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I am told there were large pockets of skeletal remains found in the US, where something drove them all to higher ground before they all drowned and were buried in the mud. Kinda proves a worldwide flood theory though, which takes me back to the bible. Also, it is said by science/archaeology that the southwest was once a great inland sea, so, leftovers from the flood? I have property in the big bend of west Texas. There are sea shells there but no water. It was said to be very tropical at one point.

Same with places like the grand canyon, which we are told took millions of years to make. My dad bought a house and brought fill in to make his driveway. Before it could be packed in, a torrential rain came and as it ran off into the swamp it left behind a mini grand canyon and he had to buy more fill. So I see it as something that also could've happened in a pretty short time frame. And just south in Mexico is copper canyon, which is far larger than the grand canyon so obviously there was a lot of water moving there whether it was millions of years or a year/few years/decade etc.
 
VonBonfire said:
I am told there were large pockets of skeletal remains found in the US, where something drove them all to higher ground before they all drowned and were buried in the mud. Kinda proves a worldwide flood theory though, which takes me back to the bible. Also, it is said by science/archaeology that the southwest was once a great inland sea, so, leftovers from the flood? I have property in the big bend of west Texas. There are sea shells there but no water. It was said to be very tropical at one point.

Same with places like the grand canyon, which we are told took millions of years to make. My dad bought a house and brought fill in to make his driveway. Before it could be packed in, a torrential rain came and as it ran off into the swamp it left behind a mini grand canyon and he had to buy more fill. So I see it as something that also could've happened in a pretty short time frame. And just south in Mexico is copper canyon, which is far larger than the grand canyon so obviously there was a lot of water moving there whether it was millions of years or a year/few years/decade etc.
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When you are visiting me in western Ma go check out the Dino prints in Holyoke. I used to work for the company that took care of the park
 
My belief is that the Grand Canyon is 5+ million years old and carved by a river. I also believe the Appalachia Mts are 5 billion years old - roughly, and were at one time molten like magma. Very similar to the much smaller St. Francois Mts in S.E. Missouri, but much older. Then again, if I had not chosen my current career path I probably would have been a Geologist, similar to my late brother.

I get that people extrapolated models of dinosaurs and probably got a lot wrong. There have also been fairly complete skeletons and you can extrapolate models based on what's found before. That's how we learn and try to understand our environment. When I go to my cabin and head down to the river I can find all kinds of fossilized sea creatures in the limestone chert.

My belief is that oceans moved back and forth over land masses over millions of years (in conjunction with plate tectonics). In my area, the layers of limestone, sandstone and other rock prove this out. But you would have to believe in carbon dating and the belief that the Earth is much older than 6,000 yrs old (or whatever). As sea creatures died, they fell to the ocean floor and over time got compacted into limestone. Scientists believe there were 23 separate ocean events in my area over this time. Then the Ozark bulge and other changes pushed that limestone up into mts, hills, bluffs, etc., exposing all of that.

The Greek Islands remind of the same thing. Limestone everywhere.
 
311splawndude said:
My belief is that oceans moved back and forth over land masses over millions of years (in conjunction with plate tectonics). In my area, the layers of limestone, sandstone and other rock prove this out. But you would have to believe in carbon dating and the belief that the Earth is much older than 6,000 yrs old (or whatever).
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If you read your Torah this is all within the realm of possibility. However, I do think man and dinosaur walked together at some stage, hence Job 40. I believe we have six thousand years of recorded history but earth, per Genesis, is of unknown and indeterminate age. The earth was void and formless and the spirit of God hovering over the surface of the deep. He separates dry land from water. Notice he makes plants before he makes the sun, an apparent contradiction but the light of Christ illumines all of creation. Man does not live by bread alone, but by every worth that proceedeth from the mouth of God.
 
In 1901, Henry Yule Oldham, a reader in geography at King's College, Cambridge, reproduced Wallace's results using three poles fixed at equal height above water level. When viewed through a theodolite, the middle pole was found to be about 6 feet (1.8 m) higher than the poles at each end.<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedford_Level_experiment#cite_note-BA1901-11"><span>[</span>11<span>]</span></a><a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedford_Level_experiment#cite_note-12"><span>[</span>12<span>]</span></a> This version of the experiment was taught in schools in England until photographs of the Earth from space became available, and it remains in the syllabus for the Indian Certificate of Secondary Education for 2023.
 
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