Question for the high wattage amp guys here about playing at home

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TheToneDig said:
I have said several times why they use 4x12s. Choice speakers.

The physics for this idea that 4x12s over 2x12s have some special tonal properties has long ago been debunked. Do you remember my point about why not a full-stack then for recording? You claim a half-stack is the ticket. Why not a full-stack then? If louder and more resonance is better then surely that's the better tone?

Do you know why 4x12 is popular in records we all love? For more volume and 100W amps, they went with four speakers in cab. So you stand four times the chance of getting a choice speaker. That's it. When you are in a recording studio you mic a single speaker spot, especially for high gain tones. You aren't as interested in room dynamics or speaker blending. That single speaker, that mic location, and whatever resonance, and that's your ticket there. Not because it's a 4x12 or 2x12 or 1x12 but because you found a sweet spot.



The problem is when it comes to doing the blind challenge. People fail them. Unless they see the amp, like in the video, they generally only randomly guess which is which.
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I’m starting to think you are a bot… this isn’t a real person, this can’t be..

No… that’s not why people use 4x12s, for the 800 hundredth time. YES THEY DO have unique tonal properties.


Use two 4x12s you ask? Well… have i got a story for you …


Carcass- heartwork: one of the most revered heavy recordings of all time… do you know any history about it? I don’t even know why I’m taking the time to do this, but I’ll entertain this alittle while longer….
 
TheToneDig said:
I have said several times why they use 4x12s. Choice speakers.

The physics for this idea that 4x12s over 2x12s have some special tonal properties has long ago been debunked. Do you remember my point about why not a full-stack then for recording? You claim a half-stack is the ticket. Why not a full-stack then? If louder and more resonance is better then surely that's the better tone?

Do you know why 4x12 is popular in records we all love? For more volume and 100W amps, they went with four speakers in cab. So you stand four times the chance of getting a choice speaker. That's it. When you are in a recording studio you mic a single speaker spot, especially for high gain tones. You aren't as interested in room dynamics or speaker blending. That single speaker, that mic location, and whatever resonance, and that's your ticket there. Not because it's a 4x12 or 2x12 or 1x12 but because you found a sweet spot.



The problem is when it comes to doing the blind challenge. People fail them. Unless they see the amp, like in the video, they generally only randomly guess which is which.

Anyway, I changed my mind after years of thinking as you did. 100W or go home type of thinking. Not for me and I think a lot of others would find themselves getting on just fine with the amps I have mentioned in those videos. The difference is a nothing burger when it comes to recordings.
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Delusional 👍
So, you joined Rigtalk all for this?🤔
 
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VESmedic said:
This guy thought I would fail this in a blind test…. I think im honestly offended at this point.
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Right, like we have ALL played the mini amps, and they are totally good amps, but is he for real? You would have to be literally deaf
 
Honestly, I am just think we need to have an amp fest and just show Tonedingdong what we are talking about. I think his ears need it. Also. I really want that damned 800 now. That was great tone.
 
Smashedguitarist said:
Honestly, I am just think we need to have an amp fest and just show Tonedingdong what we are talking about. I think his ears need it. Also. I really want that damned 800 now. That was great tone.
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That thing sounded wicked. He wouldn’t even plug into his OG 2203 in this video, I bet that sounds even more ridiculous. Always wanted one of the ZW heads just to have, should’ve known that would’ve been a collectors item. Would love the KK2203 too.
 
Smashedguitarist said:
Honestly, I am just think we need to have an amp fest and just show Tonedingdong what we are talking about. I think his ears need it. Also. I really want that damned 800 now. That was great tone.
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Yeah that Zakk 2203 was way meaner than I expected. Props to Santiago or whoever designed it
 
DanTravis62 said:
Yeah that Zakk 2203 was way meaner than I expected. Props to Santiago or whoever designed it
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oh. I didn't know what it was. just sounded fucking good. Guess i fucked up by not knowing what i was listening to lmao. so much for no blind test.
 
Smashedguitarist said:
oh. I didn't know what it was. just sounded fucking good. Guess i fucked up by not knowing what i was listening to lmao. so much for no blind test.
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yeah that wasnt even a proper old 2203. But it sounded glorious, nothing but respect
 
Dopethrone said:
Wang it up then by this line of thought.

Justify it all you want. Nothing China, junk or shittily performing questionable "amp" will outperform a USA made amp: Mesa, Orange, Friedman, Bogner, Peavey USA, England Marshall, or German Deizel.

Its this, nutshelled: We as amp buyers (those countries mentioned) don't BELIEVE in communist made countries are acting in good faith regarding humanitarian needs.
So get the bare minumum outta the shithole and build based off what the AMP maker finds tolerable within those hawt ass +50/-60 specs and move on, build one.

Want an example?

Indonesia, China and indochina guitars

They are all shit. If the setup is shit, the guitar is shit. Same with amps, but keep justifying NOT buying American and "look how i can hotrod this"
Either its a big dick, or its just not.

Also.... I hear at the Okinawa bazaar the Masinkyov preamps are $15 per rack space. Your choice. C+. Dual. Lonestar. 800...jtm...

At the end of the day. We all see the "Armitron" label. It's "not a swatch" but keep pretending.

Doesnt mean im headed the fuck over there to find out if I can Danier'San my way through the mess of q$a amp and guitar production with a hand chop thru 7 ice blocks. It just means i know what to avoid.

Seriously tho...in this day and age, Fuck this support for foreign shit, and ignorance for American quality.

No China amp maker has a $10k amplifier currently selling in this market. None.

Just knock offs. That's why Megadeth is "good enough" for some of you.

Silver.

2nd place.

Go get it. Some neighbors fuckin your wife while you wheedle away at your 15/3/1 watt amp. Maybe even as soon "as its loud enough" shell be over to fuck me.. i already know she saw my fingers railing your acoustic at church practice on CCD night.

Once Iphone makes amps: world record guitar attempts

0 successes

I hate mostly all of you. For years.
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Please put the pipe down bro :hys:
 
"Just knock offs. That's why Megadeth is 'good enough' for some of you."

This is brilliant hahaha
 
Granted this is dual tracked/maybe quad tracked on each of 2 guitarists but this is my good example of punchy tone that probably required big iron to produce. You can hear it in the staccato riffage where palm mutes don't feel flubby. Every 20 watt amp I've played could not do this. Not sure exactly because they use/d a lot of amps but it was probably during their Framus Cobra/Rectifier time period. Probably a 5150 in there for good measure.

:50 mark for sure

 
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