Racks still rule

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njshred said:
It was 22, but there were several units on the rear rail as well, oh, and this one was actually my duplicate spare, I had two complete rolling units to gig.
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two of my rack tone heroes rigs
 
Shask said:
OK, spent more time with this tonight. First I connected it to the app and updated the firmware. I also changed it to true bypass. This helped with keeping it in a parallel loop bypassed. They come with the DSP bypass on for tails.

In the loop of my Recto, turning down the direct and keeping delay at 99, I was able to get some better tones. I found a way to at least make it usable without comb filtering. I was able to get a better mix by messing with the mix on the back of the amp, that I usually never change. I did get it to work properly in the parallel loop, but still had issues getting enough volume out of it when compared to bypass. The bypass was always louder.

Next I put it in a parallel mixer pedal after the amp (after loadbox, before being reamped). This worked better because I could control the level of the parallel loop. I still messed with it for awhile, but was able to balance it better. I could probably get it better if I were going to keep it like that permanently and really dial it in. I kind of want to try to wire it into my big rack with the Samson SM-10, but I didn't feel like messing with it, lol.

I think as long as you keep it in a parallel mixer where you can control the volume of the loop, you would be OK with using the 2290p in parallel by using the direct at 0 and delay at 99, which is basically killdry mode. You also need to put it in true bypass mode in the app.

I want to try the same thing with my SDE-3000D here in a few weeks to verify that it is indeed analog dry though.

All of this was basically about the connections and verifying if the 2290p is analog dry through. I really didn't talk about the tone. I definitely think it sounds great. It is very musical, and the chorus, flanger, and delay tones all sound great. I do think running it in series is very transparent. I am very sensitive to digitizing messing with the tone and dynamics, and this is one of the most transparent I have experienced. I think it sounds great, but it is definitely not analog dry through.
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Spent some time tonight comparing my 2290p and SDE-3000D. I definitely think the SDE-3000D IS analog dry through, and the 2290p is NOT.

I kind of think the 2290p has more of a bright plinky thing going on that really works with clean sounds, and the SDE-3000D seems smoother, more in the background, for the 80s solo gods type sound.
 
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mentoneman said:
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two of my rack tone heroes rigs
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1) was able to see holdsworth use that rig at a few shows in socal and LA as he lived in Tustin and bothered to drag the whole enchilada out locally. and let me tell you it was peak allan in all of his glory. when he played in that era with the mark III juice extracted and gary husband on drums it was more like a crazy alien jazz rock show in intensity.



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i remember seeing his tc line booster+distortion on the floor and being stoked that i had one in my rig at the time.

2) got to see landau distribute his sonic opium at the bp many times as well, although sadly missed the fridge rack era by a few years.
He was rocking his burning water bradshaw hybrid pedal/rack and a dsl2000 half stack wdw first time i saw him. but his tone was always mind blowing. here’s a shot i took of his raging honkies reunion pedal wd rig at the potato in 2013 shortly after he got his dumble after a 5 year wait!
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@mentoneman we are due another tone update from your fridge lol

What are the patch names at this present time?
 
i can’t leave out the other tone life lesson i received from the texas leviathan. sitting at ground zero front row, on his side of the stage at the coach house in san juan capistrano for the ah via musicom tour was total 3D immersion.

again seeing one of my heroes in peak form technically and when his tone was in the zone! his “rack” was basically his echoplex and mxr delay. like landau and holdsworth, hearing him live and the magic of being in the room surrounded by their tones is something that the recordings never seem to fully capture.


 
Sick Michael said:
@mentoneman we are due another tone update from your fridge lol

What are the patch names at this present time?
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the last yt clip i posted on 12/17 had this info in the description:

“iphone rack tones scrapbook clip to remember where i am at the moment!
Lawrence L280 neck/ Suhr Fletcher-Landau Standard middle/Holmes 450 7.8k bridge
Mahalo 4x12 warehouse Invader 50s and ET65s x pattern * orange 1x12 Celestion V30 + EVH 1x12 GH30
mesa 2:90 wet stereo power + mesa Mark III return for middle dry power

presets

1) IE4 ch 2 = fendery clean on pickup position 2 & 4 w/PCM hall verb & 2290 slap
2) IE4 ch 1 = bf hyperclean w/sch-1 + small clone + symphonic reverb in 2290 mod delay/rockman + BBD-320/pcm 80 TSC verb dly preset
3) Synergy DS blue bluesy dirty
4) IE4 3 JCM-plexi VH tone hit with Griffin Atomic Punk pedal + pcm plate
5) Randall SL+ modded marshall
6) SL+ w/chorus
7) IE4 ch 4 round smooth lead
8) IE4 ch 4 w/chorus
9) IE4 ch 2 w/2290-spx-pcm tremolo
10) IE4 ch 2 longer tape delays
11) IE4 ch 1 alt chorus clean
12) Syn DS blue raw
13) Syn DS red raw
14) **skipped**
15) IE4 ch 2 w/pcm LFO Arpeggiator Verb
16) IE4 ch 2 w/360 +/- 1200 pitch”
 
@wIsEbLooD i’d love to hear a rundown of the Fish v CAE preamps.
I know how coveted they both are yet i’ve never really heard definitive demos or clips of those boxes that made a big impression on me.
i had an opportunity to buy a fish in the early 90’s but didn’t bond with it and chose a triaxis instead.
had the hafler/bogner triple giant and thought that was a cool sounding box which gave me a glimpse into Fish tones but everyone says the Fish is superior to the TG.
 
mentoneman said:
the last yt clip i posted on 12/17 had this info in the description:

“iphone rack tones scrapbook clip to remember where i am at the moment!
Lawrence L280 neck/ Suhr Fletcher-Landau Standard middle/Holmes 450 7.8k bridge
Mahalo 4x12 warehouse Invader 50s and ET65s x pattern * orange 1x12 Celestion V30 + EVH 1x12 GH30
mesa 2:90 wet stereo power + mesa Mark III return for middle dry power

presets

1) IE4 ch 2 = fendery clean on pickup position 2 & 4 w/PCM hall verb & 2290 slap
2) IE4 ch 1 = bf hyperclean w/sch-1 + small clone + symphonic reverb in 2290 mod delay/rockman + BBD-320/pcm 80 TSC verb dly preset
3) Synergy DS blue bluesy dirty
4) IE4 3 JCM-plexi VH tone hit with Griffin Atomic Punk pedal + pcm plate
5) Randall SL+ modded marshall
6) SL+ w/chorus
7) IE4 ch 4 round smooth lead
8) IE4 ch 4 w/chorus
9) IE4 ch 2 w/2290-spx-pcm tremolo
10) IE4 ch 2 longer tape delays
11) IE4 ch 1 alt chorus clean
12) Syn DS blue raw
13) Syn DS red raw
14) **skipped**
15) IE4 ch 2 w/pcm LFO Arpeggiator Verb
16) IE4 ch 2 w/360 +/- 1200 pitch”
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Oh amazing, I'll take a look, thank you!
 
mentoneman said:
i can’t leave out the other tone life lesson i received from the texas leviathan. sitting at ground zero front row, on his side of the stage at the coach house in san juan capistrano for the ah via musicom tour was total 3D immersion.

again seeing one of my heroes in peak form technically and when his tone was in the zone! his “rack” was basically his echoplex and mxr delay. like landau and holdsworth, hearing him live and the magic of being in the room surrounded by their tones is something that the recordings never seem to fully capture.


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never saw him play that intro before, killer. :worship_gray:
 
Purpleibby said:
Yes indeed, for my purposes the SP sounds great, great sounding comp...like that it has the internal settings and the blend control.....lots of great demos out there with it(like the MT vids)....I only use it for cleans(Studio Preamp).. I have no experience with the Keeley.....It's an original DC-2 which I put after the comp, it has it's unique flavor of Chorus....the Roland RSP-550 actually has a good version of the Dimension chorus....I have plenty of mods, I don't really need more but lol....here we are....I like the idea of a dedicated unit for some duties.
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Thanks so much for the response, really helpful
 
mooncobra said:
Agreed, racks still rule. They also look bitchin.
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it’s the power to precision tune effects at a higher level of sound quality than pedals afford me. don’t get me wrong i love certain analog pedals, and gap keeps closing, but the multifx digital stuff is still not as clear or big sounding to my ears as the rack counterparts.

one of the tones i always seem to gravitate towards in my rigs is an ej/holdsworth/lane type smooth sustained lead sound with a carefully rolled off top end. not that i ever hope to play as immaculately as those chaps…. i find the egnater ie4 (or TOL 100 head) channel 4 does it better than pretty much any other amp i’ve played/owned.

the Carol Ann OD2r amp i had was also very capable too, and the Two Rock Onyx also has some of that vibe in its lead channel. currently, the synergy Vai module ch 2 is close to IE4/4 but lacks a little extra headroom as is more aggressive and edgy sounding.

from what i remember i believe Shawn was rocking a Peavey Profex 2 fx unit in his Gjika rack during this time. what a monster.

 
Jack Luminous said:
Whose rig is that ? I'm slightly jealous ! :p

My basement rig will soon grow 4U. I'm waiting for a Brunetti Mille preamp and an old Mesa Midi Matrix in the mail... Pix will follow eventually.
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"Eater"

Definitely the Jose Marshall, vintage cab, I used the Juice Extractor on the solo and into a Eventide 910 harmonizer (after the Juice Extractor) Schector Strat



"My Bulbous Meathead"

This was definitely the Jose Marshall through the Vintage 4x12 with the juice extractor, I used a PCM 42 for delay after the Juice Extractor...



"I'm Buzzed"

The Intro, crunch & solo was a Jose mod '70 100 watt Marshall through a vintage late '60's Marshall cab with 25 Greenbacks. No juice extractor on this one, I had it up pretty loud...
Floyd Rose Schector Strat with '60's Humbucker (not a PAF)
 
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