Remembering Randy.

[braintheory]

The way Satch would have been influential /genius is in the songwriting and accessibility to instrumental guitar music to non players.

What I mean is that the instrumental rock song becoming mainstream was imo due to him. Sure there were a few instrumentals prior to him getting some radio play, but nothing like he has been able to do.

I can see that. I mean we all have to go to the dentist sometimes and hear appropriate background music for it But if Eric Johnson was at all influenced by that then I guess it’s a good thing. Plus he taught Kirk Hammet. What a marvelous influence there

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

Musically I much prefer Uli, but he sounds very different to me than Yngwie. Sometimes I hear actually some flamenco influence in some of his ideas

Yes, I've pointed that out as well... Uli did do elements of it years earlier but Yngwie still did it with his own flare and more of the classical thing. But it is hilarious that Yngiwe leaves Uli off his list of influences time and time again. Even down to the look he had with Alcatrazz with the feather hanging off the headstock.

 

[braintheory]

Yes, I've pointed that out as well... Uli did do elements of it years earlier but Yngwie still did it with his own flare and more of the classical thing. But it is hilarious that Yngiwe leaves Uli off his list of influences time and time again. Even down to the look he had with Alcatrazz with the feather hanging off the headstock.

A lot of these guys seem to leave out the influences that were clearly most like them LOL and the guys they say they were mainly influenced by tend to be nothing like them. I think they just say that to sound good for themselves lol

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

My opinion of Yngwie is he played really fast and had nothing to say. All sounds the same to me with no character. Randy's leads had something to say. More poetic I guess to find a word.
More notes doesn’t make a solo better. It’s about what's behind the notes and placement.
Lol but that is just my opinion!
My #1 was EVH. #2;Randy. Then after that Lynch, Vito, Criss Oliva and SRV.

You have to take Marching out for a spin! Yngwie had a lot to say.. and said way too much lol. I get it though, you either love Yngwie or don't think much about him. I think he was a great song writer in the early days but many do not.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

For me this captures Yngwie covering all the feels. Great sense of how to build a solo as well as emotion. timestamped:

A lot of these guys seem to leave out the influences that were clearly most like them LOL and the guys they say they were mainly influenced by tend to be nothing like them. I think they just say that to sound good for themselves lol

Yngwie I think likes to sound like an elitist by saying Pagannini, Mozart, Beethoven etc were his influences. Like he was their top student He'd fit in with the pirate shirt though. Who copied the red drummer boy vest first though? Him or Eric Johnson?

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

Off topic but holy budget for a Yngwie video! ( and fake Jeff Scott Soto lol) I bet this was his dream live set that nobody could justify for a tour.

 

[67mike]

Having lived through it, Randy was groundbreaking when this shit was going down. Still to this day his music is iconic....

I cannot fathom how some here run him down? Like fucking really?!? I love EVH, but Randy makes EVH look simple imho.

Yngwie came along later, he was shockingly fast...but that doesn't rake away that Uli Roth and Randy used classical in their metal long before Yngwie was anything.

 

[TheBiggestJerk]

Having lived through it, Randy was groundbreaking when this shit was going down. Still to this day his music is iconic....

I cannot fathom how some here run him down? Like fucking really?!? I love EVH, but Randy makes EVH look simple imho.

Yngwie came along later, he was shockingly fast...but that doesn't rake away that Uli Roth and Randy used classical in their metal long before Yngwie was anything.

How?

 

[braintheory]

Having lived through it, Randy was groundbreaking when this shit was going down. Still to this day his music is iconic....

I cannot fathom how some here run him down? Like fucking really?!? I love EVH, but Randy makes EVH look simple imho.

Yngwie came along later, he was shockingly fast...but that doesn't rake away that Uli Roth and Randy used classical in their metal long before Yngwie was anything.

I think more importantly they used the tools they had to make music first rather than primarily to show speed first

I wasn’t alive back then, but wasn’t Holdsworth before Yngwie? He’s anyway more impressive to me technically and musically even though his stuff can be hard for me to appreciate sometimes

 

[Briman24]

You have to take Marching out for a spin! Yngwie had a lot to say.. and said way too much lol. I get it though, you either love Yngwie or don't think much about him. I think he was a great song writer in the early days but many do not.

When i was in my teens....I bought 2 Ingwie albums. Trilogy and i think Oddessey? I remember i enjoyed 3 or 4 tunes because they had a good riff.

 

[Briman24]

Ed did some really cool ground breaking stuff like the slapping and harmonics at the beginning of mean streets. Drop d tuning like unchained, amsterdam etc. Using a drill on his pickups for poundcake. Tremolo dives. Spanish fly on electric live blew me away at the time. Needless to eruption changed the guitar world. The solo on beat it was so unique too. Ed is my idol. But nobody played as methodically and smoothly as Randy. It's like he was one with the guitar.

Ed's stuff was super cool and mind blowing. Randy's was just beautiful. That's my opinion.

 

[jabps]

Ed was an inovator and took guitar to a new level. Randy was just so fluid in his playing and creative in his own way and his writing had something magical in it for me.
I don't think his death elevated him. Cripes.....he was only 25. He did 2 albums with Ozzy. Two Hella good albums that impacted the music world.
Imagine if Ed passed away after the first 2 albums? We would have missed all those albums afterwards. So just imagine how many great albums we missed from Randy.....

As I said above as well, I don't think his death elevated him either, again people who weren't around or to young to remember for his short few years it was all about Randy. Tack on two multi platinum albums both of which received hefty radio play. He couldn't have been elevated much more than he was.

Guitar Player magazine wasn't exactly friendly to most rock guitarists "at that time" other than EVH, most of us back then considered Guitar Player as the snobs magazine rag so when Randy won best new artist, it said something.

Agree, his death didn't elevate him, it just cemented it.

 

[jabps]

Off topic but holy budget for a Yngwie video! ( and fake Jeff Scott Soto lol) I bet this was his dream live set that nobody could justify for a tour.

Actually most of his video's back then you could tell he had a big budget. Yngwie's biggest mistake keeping him from mainstream success is his actual guitar playing. For those songs on the albums that were meant for radio/video play he really should have composed the solo's instead of just going for it because to the layman, it just sounds like noodling. Thing is, he had all the chops in the world to do it and a great sense of melody but no control.

 

[phil b]

This is one of the original 200 tributes run guitars they made in 1992. They were supposed to do 200 in gold hardware. They did 199 and this is the only one in chrome hardware. I had ordered a custom RR1 the year before they did these and when I spoke to them about ordering one of these but with chrome hardware, after about a week of going back and forth they finally agreed. Hang tag with the final inspection date is actually my bday which was kinda cool. Only thing was I had to wait forever because they did some photo shoot with it, and in the end I never got to see any of the pics they did.

 

[phil b]

The one on the left is the RR1 from 91. Had those and stacks loaded with Altecs! Good times.

 

[67mike]

How?

 

[Greazygeo]

Musically I much prefer Uli, but he sounds very different to me than Yngwie. Sometimes I hear actually some flamenco influence in some of his ideas

Listen to Sails Of Charon, Catch Your Train, Pictured Life etc and that is Yngwie. I have been into Uli since getting Virgin Killers in 9th or tenth grade. Yngwie came out much later and while the first few albums are killer, I thought to myself, I have heard all this before…

 

[Greazygeo]

I can see that. I mean we all have to go to the dentist sometimes and hear appropriate background music for it But if Eric Johnson was at all influenced by that then I guess it’s a good thing. Plus he taught Kirk Hammet. What a marvelous influence there

I dunno, he was all over maimstream radio. He figured out radio friendly hooks where others were trying to see how many inversions of diminshed arpeggios they could fit in a solo.
If it wasn’t for Satch we probably would not have had Cliffs of Dover on the radio.
I am not a big Satch fan, only ever learned Satch Boogie to play in a band, kinda fun. But I give him credit, he can write a hook.

 

[Briman24]

I love these kind of threads..... everyone can express themselves and no bickering because it is all subjective.
I know Kapo loves Andy Laroque. I love his riffs and lead work which has character and tells a story and technically is awesome. Love that shit but I can't take the vocals for more than 3 tunes. Too bad. If Dio was in there..... oh boy!
Abigail and Them

 

[sytharnia1560]

Do you own research, troll. If you don’t see why somebody would consider Rhoads a genius, they’re certainly not going to convince you.

there's a hint in his name bro .. just ignore