Reverb bans Pussy Melter pedal and I got attacked by SJWs

[stratjacket]

Maybe it’s just simply the continued dumbing down of society and now there are social platforms to prove it.

But honestly I’m fascinated how a company gets involved in these things. I work in IT at a pretty large company and have a couple hundred people in my organization. I couldn’t imagine us taking a position on anything that would alienate big portions of our customers. It’s just a poor business decision. It creates an opening for someone to swoop in. That’s exactly how you overtake a giant; find a niche, an untapped market and fill it. That’s the way in.

 

[skoora]

Maybe it’s just simply the continued dumbing down of society and now there are social platforms to prove it.

But honestly I’m fascinated how a company gets involved in these things. I work in IT at a pretty large company and have a couple hundred people in my organization. I couldn’t imagine us taking a position on anything that would alienate big portions of our customers. It’s just a poor business decision. It creates an opening for someone to swoop in. That’s exactly how you overtake a giant; find a niche, an untapped market and fill it. That’s the way in.

Yeah, But don't ever say you want to "fill it" in a company email....lol

 

[narad]

Years ago I attended a Jennifer Batten clinic in LA. At some point she was demonstrating her pedalboard and she said.. "And when I noticed the audience is getting bored, I hit them right in the face with my Big Muff!!!". The whole room exploded with laughter. Then she actually turned the pedal on and proceeded to tear the house down with crazy tapping licks. And the room was silent in awe again.

There wasn't a single "macho" there willing to take her on her self deprecating humor. Why? She's a monster player who could outplay the whole room in her sleep.

Moral of the story: silly gear jokes are really degrading to people who can't play for shit.

I feel like the moral of the story is: know your audience.

I would say the moral of the story is that back in the day, people weren’t a bunch of whiney pussies, offended by anything and everything. It’s really that simple.

Oh please, people always complained about everything. They just have a platform now for you to hear it.
In the 1970s when a random person in Illinois was mad, it didn't exist to you. Maybe now it does, times every other random person following that topic.

Every social issue has this type of complaining. "OMG, a white guy kissed a black girl on my TV show! waaaah", etc. Times change, topics change, people don't change. You're basically being the old "Back in my day!" guy by thinking otherwise.

It’s a little depressing how little we seem to evolve as humans emotionally and psychologically over the centuries. Technology and scientific advancement can shoot forward but we seem to be mired in quicksand when it comes to enlightenment for ourselves. There is at least one thing that I believe is a chief factor but I won’t mention it, as I’m not pulling the pin on that grenade...lol

Oh yeah, haven’t had a chance to try the Pussy Melter either...?

The idea of evolving emotionally/psychologically seems a bit odd though. What's the goal of that evolution? Would we agree on it?

As a society we do seem to be on the slow march towards social equity, i.e., Only white men can vote! Okay, black men can vote, but they count less! Okay, they count the same, but no women! Okay, women too!, etc. Undeniable progress. Now women are pushing for more equitable representation in society, and some side effect is going to be backlash against misogynistic things, and since that's not a political effort but an economic one, it's going to have to play out in the numbers.

I think the ultimate outcome is a pretty reasonable one: TC Electronics, which is huge, and is supposed to be a 2019 company, rightly says, hey, we just make gear, we don't want this drama, no one is getting anything interpretable as misogynistic on their site/product line. Steel Panther themselves get to release the pedal, all the same people buy it, they get more of a cut for themselves, and basically only the people in on "the joke" and follow SP hear about it. Like honestly it sounds like every single party involved is better off for it.

 

[Monkey Man]

I would say the moral of the story is that back in the day, people weren’t a bunch of whiney pussies, offended by anything and everything. It’s really that simple.

Regardless of the rise of social media, the way kids are brought up these days ensures that this is true, IMHO.

Sure, social media amplifies, feeds back into and makes us more aware of it, but I'd argue that PC / helicopter parenting is the root of the cycle.

 

[spliffsperlunk]

 

[Jon BCN]

So you’re telling me any company can politically profile you and discriminate you in the USA?

I thought it was the country of freedom.

It is. A private company is FREE to discriminate against you based on your political beliefs. How is that not a perfect example of freedom of association? Political/economic beliefs are not a protected class under the law. And for good reason. There are certain protected classes of people who are protected under the law in certain circumstances. Federally protected classes in the USA are:

Race
Color
Religion or creed
National origin or ancestry
Sex
Age
Physical or mental disability
Veteran status
Genetic information
Citizenship

Your belief in aliens is not a protected class. Your favorite color is not a protected class. Your political affiliation is not a protected class. If I own a business and I don't want to do business with socialists or republicans, that is my right. The government can't force me to associate with you.

That's freedom.

The more I hear about the states, more backwards I realize it is.

You can easily do like Reverb and invent a political reason to ban anybody (blacks, women, trans...).

You can say a trans promotes violence against the scientific community and ban them from using it.

Reverb is literally lying and inventing a political reason to politically profile you and discriminate you.

 

[narad]

So you’re telling me any company can politically profile you and discriminate you in the USA?

I thought it was the country of freedom.

It is. A private company is FREE to discriminate against you based on your political beliefs. How is that not a perfect example of freedom of association? Political/economic beliefs are not a protected class under the law. And for good reason. There are certain protected classes of people who are protected under the law in certain circumstances. Federally protected classes in the USA are:

Race
Color
Religion or creed
National origin or ancestry
Sex
Age
Physical or mental disability
Veteran status
Genetic information
Citizenship

Your belief in aliens is not a protected class. Your favorite color is not a protected class. Your political affiliation is not a protected class. If I own a business and I don't want to do business with socialists or republicans, that is my right. The government can't force me to associate with you.

That's freedom.

The more I hear about the states, more backwards I realize it is.

You can easily do like Reverb and invent a political reason to ban anybody (blacks, women, trans...).

You can say a trans promotes violence against the scientific community and ban them from using it.

Reverb is literally lying and inventing a political reason to politically profile you and discriminate you.

He's not banned. He wasn't trying to push a political agenda. Reverb is not trying to push a political agenda. "a trans promotes violence against the scientific community and ban them from using it" Whaaat? Maybe learn a bit more about the states lol

I mean, I find it weird in this instance that Reverb would do this, since to complain about the pedal means that *you have to be searching for the pedal*. It's going out of your way to be offended, unless I guess, you browse reverb by like a maniac by just browsing the general feed and not creating your own. That said, they're free to do it. They're a business. They're driven by customers. They're going to lose like $200 in revenue by not allowing the pedals to be sold there -- and they probably make that much every minute.

Weirdly enough when I complain to Reverb about people listing generic slip covers and marking down "Mesa" or "Diezel" as the brand instead of "generic slip cover brand whatever", which is a legitimate mis-use of their platform and ruins all my searches, they don't do anything about it.

 

[Jon BCN]

So you’re telling me any company can politically profile you and discriminate you in the USA?

I thought it was the country of freedom.

It is. A private company is FREE to discriminate against you based on your political beliefs. How is that not a perfect example of freedom of association? Political/economic beliefs are not a protected class under the law. And for good reason. There are certain protected classes of people who are protected under the law in certain circumstances. Federally protected classes in the USA are:

Race
Color
Religion or creed
National origin or ancestry
Sex
Age
Physical or mental disability
Veteran status
Genetic information
Citizenship

Your belief in aliens is not a protected class. Your favorite color is not a protected class. Your political affiliation is not a protected class. If I own a business and I don't want to do business with socialists or republicans, that is my right. The government can't force me to associate with you.

That's freedom.

The more I hear about the states, more backwards I realize it is.

You can easily do like Reverb and invent a political reason to ban anybody (blacks, women, trans...).

You can say a trans promotes violence against the scientific community and ban them from using it.

Reverb is literally lying and inventing a political reason to politically profile you and discriminate you.

He's not banned. He wasn't trying to push a political agenda. Reverb is not trying to push a political agenda. "a trans promotes violence against the scientific community and ban them from using it" Whaaat? Maybe learn a bit more about the states lol

I mean, I find it weird in this instance that Reverb would do this, since to complain about the pedal means that *you have to be searching for the pedal*. It's going out of your way to be offended, unless I guess, you browse reverb by like a maniac by just browsing the general feed and not creating your own. That said, they're free to do it. They're a business. They're driven by customers. They're going to lose like $200 in revenue by not allowing the pedals to be sold there -- and they probably make that much every minute.

Weirdly enough when I complain to Reverb about people listing generic slip covers and marking down "Mesa" or "Diezel" as the brand instead of "generic slip cover brand whatever", which is a legitimate mis-use of their platform and ruins all my searches, they don't do anything about it.

He’s banned from selling that pedal.

And using the same “logic” Reverb uses here, you can easily ban a trans for promoting violence against anybody who says that biologically you can’t change your gender. They would actually have a reason instead of inventing one like they are doing in this case. I would sue them just for that alone. Who the hell are they to difamate me saying I’m trying to sell an article that promotes violence against women?

Sorry, but the USA is becoming so backwards is ridiculous.

 

[FourT6and2]

You can easily do like Reverb and invent a political reason to ban anybody (blacks, women, trans...).

No, you can't. That would be discriminating against a federally protected class. A "political reason" to discriminate against a black person is discrimination against a black person. For example, a coffee shop is free to refuse service to anybody who voted for and supports a certain politician. But if a black person walks in one day and the shop doesn't want to serve black people, they can't (legally) refuse service by making up some other reason, like he's a democrat and we just now suddenly decided not to serve dems—but really it's because the customer is black.

He’s banned from selling that pedal.

No, he's prohibited from listing the pedal on Reverb's service. He can sell the pedal somewhere else and he is not banned from using Reverb to sell other items. You are obfuscating the details.

And using the same “logic” Reverb uses here, you can easily ban a trans for promoting violence against anybody who says that biologically you can’t change your gender.

No, you can't. Because that is a federally protected class. Again, you can't make up an unprotected reason for discriminating against a protected class. It doesn't work that way.

Sorry, but the USA is becoming so backwards is ridiculous.

I think you need to do some reading and then come back in a few months and tell us what you learned.

 

[Fordman65]

You can easily do like Reverb and invent a political reason to ban anybody (blacks, women, trans...).

No, you can't. That would be discriminating against a federally protected class. A "political reason" to discriminate against a black person is discrimination against a black person. For example, a coffee shop is free to refuse service to anybody who voted for and supports a certain politician. But if a black person walks in one day and the shop doesn't want to serve black people, they can't (legally) refuse service by making up some other reason, like he's a democrat and we just now suddenly decided not to serve dems—but really it's because the customer is black.

He’s banned from selling that pedal.

No, he's prohibited from listing the pedal on Reverb's service. He can sell the pedal somewhere else and he is not banned from using Reverb to sell other items. You are obfuscating the details.

And using the same “logic” Reverb uses here, you can easily ban a trans for promoting violence against anybody who says that biologically you can’t change your gender.

No, you can't. Because that is a federally protected class. Again, you can't make up an unprotected reason for discriminating against a protected class. It doesn't work that way.

Sorry, but the USA is becoming so backwards is ridiculous.

I think you need to do some reading and then come back in a few months and tell us what you learned.

Good post. 100% agreed.

People want to believe whatever supports their bent, regardless of fact.

 

[stratjacket]

I just can’t see how anyone could side with a company on this idea of banning something because it may “offend” someone. There can be no freedom without tollerating being offended. I would feel the same way if it were a left wing nazi socialist pedal. The content doesn’t matter. Left, right, whatever, this seems like it should be universal.

 

[nightlight]

By pulling your listing, you did exactly what the people who were spamming you wanted.

Just wanted to address this part of your post. When I listed it I did not know that 6 days prior Reverb banned the listing on the pedal otherwise I would have not listed it.

The spamming made me notice that there was some unwanted attention on my seller account and that's how I found out. I researched what was going on with that pedal.

Like I said I value my Reverb seller account and don't want to risk it over a pedal. As far as I am concerned it's their business their rules. I Just wanted to start this thread so those who spammed my listing had a platform to engage me on instead of just making 1 dollar offers. They seamed pretty organized in the spam on my listing so I assume they probably have seen this thread or will soon enough.

It's a damn shame. Nowadays, whenever I see one of these things blowing up on social media, it honestly seems like the people who are protesting over what may at first glance seem to be a completely legitimate cause are worse than those they are trying to bring down.

Like if they know details about your job and things, they try and sabotage it. Try to sabotage relationships. Defame you on all kinds of social media. Picket your kids and family.

I do think those pink pussy hats and other movements are completely legitimate. But it's the extremists on the fringes of movements like that who grab all the screen time and make it seem like there's something wrong with what they are fighting for.

As far as TC Electronic and Reverb, I'm sure they took the call on the basis of reputational damage from being associated with male chauvinism.

It's a business decision, I think it has less to do with bowing to pressure than the fact that it is smart not to alienate potential buyers in favour of a small percentage of people selling the Pussy Melter.

On a side note, the name Pussy Melter is vulgar and speaks of an absolute lack of class, of course in my humble opinion. I wouldn't want some kid to be reading that name if he was checking out the gear I use.

I don't agree with the ban though. Freedom of speech over intolerance always.

 

[Jon BCN]

No, you can't. That would be discriminating against a federally protected class.

This is getting better. So you can't face the same if you are black, but you can if you are white.

The land of the free.

No, he's prohibited from listing the pedal on Reverb's service. He can sell the pedal somewhere else and he is not banned from using Reverb to sell other items. You are obfuscating the details

He can sell the pedal elsewhere, sure. I don't know how can you think that is relevant to the conversation, we are talking how REVERB has invented that the pedal he is trying to sell promotes violence against women and therefore he is banned from selling it on REVERB.

You are bringin details that don't matter at all.

No, you can't. Because that is a federally protected class. Again, you can't make up an unprotected reason for discriminating against a protected class. It doesn't work that way.

Yes you can, you don't even know if the seller of the Pussy Melter is black, trans or whatever. What if he was? They invented a reason to not allowing him to sell something, they can do it again as much as they want, according to people like you who are fine with this type of abuse.

I think you need to do some reading and then come back in a few months and tell us what you learned.

I have been reading for years and I learned a lot about how the USA and other western societies are becoming so backwards and puritan in the name of "social justice".

Your country has just now literally banned a videogame scene that the rest of the world is ok with, even middle east countries infestes with taliban mentality. And there's thousands and thousands of situations like that in every part of your society.

 

[nightlight]

No, you can't. That would be discriminating against a federally protected class.

This is getting better. So you can't face the same if you are black, but you can if you are white.

The land of the free.

No, he's prohibited from listing the pedal on Reverb's service. He can sell the pedal somewhere else and he is not banned from using Reverb to sell other items. You are obfuscating the details

He can sell the pedal elsewhere, sure. I don't know how can you think that is relevant to the conversation, we are talking how REVERB has invented that the pedal he is trying to sell promotes violence against women and therefore he is banned from selling it on REVERB.

You are bringin details that don't matter at all.

No, you can't. Because that is a federally protected class. Again, you can't make up an unprotected reason for discriminating against a protected class. It doesn't work that way.

Yes you can, you don't even know if the seller of the Pussy Melter is black, trans or whatever. What if he was? They invented a reason to not allowing him to sell something, they can do it again as much as they want, according to people like you who are fine with this type of abuse.

I think you need to do some reading and then come back in a few months and tell us what you learned.

I have been reading for years and I learned a lot about how the USA and other western societies are becoming so backwards and puritan in the name of "social justice".

Your country has just now literally banned a videogame scene that the rest of the world is ok with, even middle east countries infestes with taliban mentality. And there's thousands and thousands of situations like that in every part of your society.

Why the anger and hatred, man?

I think it is good that people are trying to prevent discrimination.

How can you even equate banning the sale of a pedal with discrimination against people who are different?

What are you babbling about Middle East countries and the Taliban anyway? Are you looking to start some kind of race war?

 

[narad]

No, you can't. That would be discriminating against a federally protected class.

This is getting better. So you can't face the same if you are black, but you can if you are white.

The land of the free.

Dude. No. Get educated. Black and white are both races. Both are federally protected against discrimination.

Your country has just now literally banned a videogame scene that the rest of the world is ok with, even middle east countries infestes with taliban mentality. And there's thousands and thousands of situations like that in every part of your society.

The country doesn't "literally" ban parts of videogames. Videogame companies make decisions on what to include. I remember when Sega Genesis was cool because they had the blood code in Mortal Kombat, while the SNES version had to remove it altogether. In both cases, it wasn't the government that did it lol

 

[Jon BCN]

No, you can't. That would be discriminating against a federally protected class.

This is getting better. So you can't face the same if you are black, but you can if you are white.

The land of the free.

No, he's prohibited from listing the pedal on Reverb's service. He can sell the pedal somewhere else and he is not banned from using Reverb to sell other items. You are obfuscating the details

He can sell the pedal elsewhere, sure. I don't know how can you think that is relevant to the conversation, we are talking how REVERB has invented that the pedal he is trying to sell promotes violence against women and therefore he is banned from selling it on REVERB.

You are bringin details that don't matter at all.

No, you can't. Because that is a federally protected class. Again, you can't make up an unprotected reason for discriminating against a protected class. It doesn't work that way.

Yes you can, you don't even know if the seller of the Pussy Melter is black, trans or whatever. What if he was? They invented a reason to not allowing him to sell something, they can do it again as much as they want, according to people like you who are fine with this type of abuse.

I think you need to do some reading and then come back in a few months and tell us what you learned.

I have been reading for years and I learned a lot about how the USA and other western societies are becoming so backwards and puritan in the name of "social justice".

Your country has just now literally banned a videogame scene that the rest of the world is ok with, even middle east countries infestes with taliban mentality. And there's thousands and thousands of situations like that in every part of your society.

Why the anger and hatred, man?

I think it is good that people are trying to prevent discrimination.

How can you even equate banning the sale of a pedal with discrimination against people who are different?

What are you babbling about Middle East countries and the Taliban anyway? Are you looking to start some kind of race war?

If you are not angry at people discriminating, why you claim to be against it?

A company is literally inventing reasons to discriminate. That’s precisely why SJW are so dangerous, they are fascists masquerading with supposed good intentions.

And what you don’t understand about taliban countries being okay with a scene that is banned in the USA? That’s the level of puritanism your country is in. What the hell are you babbling about race wars?

Dude. No. Get educated. Black and white are both races. Both are federally protected against discrimination.

Seems to me you are the one who needs to be educated. You are precisely siding with people who says that white people are privileged by the color of their skin, that white people has to shut up and give up their rights so other people can feel good. You are siding with people who portrays (white) men as evil, as the enemy of their religion. You are precisely siding with the people who don’t want equality.

That’s why they don’t let the pedal to be sold.

The country doesn't "literally" ban parts of videogames. Videogame companies make decisions on what to include. I remember when Sega Genesis was cool because they had the blood code in Mortal Kombat, while the SNES version had to remove it altogether. In both cases, it wasn't the government that did it lol

Yeah, I’m sure it’s not the Trump government baning anime titties. It’s the american SJW in charge of those decisions who do it. That’s what a country is, the sum of it’s parts, not only the government.

And this is just a recent example, it’s not an isolated case at all.

 

[Bueller]

Ahhh Socialism at it’s finest. Isn’t it great. This is just the tip of the iceberg folks.

Get ready for the Venezuelan model of life. Or Cuba. You pick!

 

[Speeddemon]

a left wing nazi socialist pedal.

Oh, and people that call something (or country) that's effectively (pseudo-)communist dictatorship-run 'socialism' really need to step up their education level.

Carry on.

 

[Bueller]

Yes, Socialism is dictatorship...it’s just a facade to make people think they aren’t in one. Don’t need to “step up” my education.

 

[EXPcustom]

This is why I will never sell my offensive guitars.