Seems Marshall new ownership starting the downward slide to make more money.

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glpg80 said:
The entire reason you’d go 2203x over say ceriatone was for the dagnall iron. If it’s not the same dagnall iron as the prior years, you could argue why limit yourself to made in Vietnam at $3500 and go Merren or Heyboer on your own kit?

Marshall is playing with fire. There are countless companies doing a 2203x at this moment that if you aren’t getting real dagnall made in UK iron with your Marshall that the doors are WIDE open to do whatever you want on your own 2203 kit of preference.

What should be concerning them is just how close some are getting the 1959HW sound of real 1968 amps at similar cost basis and with more features. Look at the SL68 mkii or the metroplex mk II for example.

They are stepping into one of those shallow puddles that seems centimeters deep at first, but is actually deep enough to drown in.

The 1KHz bellhousing oscillation would drive me nuts. I know others too.
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This move just increases the desirability of any pre 2023 Marshall. Especially the vintage pre 1990 stuff; those Drakes/Dagnalls are now the choice over any reissue for the most part, now even more magnified. Everyone knows the heart/soul of any amplifier are the transformers.

Even as good as the Merren/Heyboers are, there's still a noticeable difference between them and original Dagnall/Drakes. At our mini amp fest in Chi, we had a particularly good sounding 68 clone with Merrens. The modded 1969 Frankenmarshall absolutely slayed it; it was no contest. And the 69 had replacement 1970s Dagnalls, as the 69 started off as a Major but was re wired into a Superlead with the proper 100w 70s Dagnalls.
Keep your vintage Marshalls. They will only go up in value.
 
I so don't need it, but there is a 1997 1959 for sale locally in very clean shape. This thread might be the justification I need for buying it. Since I have so many Marshalls, Mrs. Lee doesn't notice when I bring a new one home.
 
Rick Lee said:
I so don't need it, but there is a 1997 1959 for sale locally in very clean shape. This thread might be the justification I need for buying it. Since I have so many Marshalls, Mrs. Lee doesn't notice when I bring a new one home.
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You better go grab that thing. In 1996-2000 Marshall was putting leftover iron in regular 1959HWs from a special run of anniversary Marshall’s. They bought the iron in bulk and to use up their stock they were shoving them in regular 1959HW chassis until their stock was all used up in typical Marshall fashion. The 1996 aldrich I have has the iron in it and it’s fantastic.
 
How to ID that iron? Does it have Dagnall or Drake decals on it? The iron in my 1987x reissue has Drake decals on it. I think my '79 2203 just has the stamped digits on the bells.
 
Rick Lee said:
How to ID that iron? Does it have Dagnall or Drake decals on it? The iron in my 1987x reissue has Drake decals on it. I think my '79 2203 just has the stamped digits on the bells.
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It’s claimed they did a ton of research to create a copy of a real 1968 PT/OT for either their 30th or 35th anniversary and actually nailed it. You’d have to match the iron to a 30th anniversary or 35th anniversary (I forget which run sorry) markings. I didn’t learn of this until after grabbing my 96. They are based off of dagnalls.
 
denialist said:
Can you try to articulate what you noticed?
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Sure. Way more 3D, harmonically rich, better articulation, just a better tone in every way. And, it wasn't Mustards etc in the 69 since someone stupidly changed them out for orange drops long ago. Probably to keep for themselves...a far too common BS move by so called 'techs' that also includes "your tubes are bad. Let me order you some JJs." While the 'tech' keeps all the mustards, and vintage Mullard tubes for themselves and re sells them or uses them in his own amps.
 
I hope mesa never goes that route. Gotta be honest though…there’s some pretty nice guitars coming out of that part of the world.
 
Tone Junkie said:
IMO Marshall kinda went south when they started with the 800 pots being attached to the boards.
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This is bullshit quality for any supposedly legendary amp maker. Same with the cheapo ribbon wiring. Of course now it is pretty much standard operating procedure for all the junk makers surviving on brand name. All that's left to desecrate the Marshall corpse is a Dylan Mulvaney sig amp.
 
So I haven’t posted a NAD as I haven’t been sure I’d keep it but I picked up a JVM last week from the $1k off sale. Just cracked it (it’s a 2022) and has a Dagnal OT but I can’t see the sticker on the PT as I haven’t pulled it out of the head shell.

I’ll post it for sale at $6k LOL
 
technomancer said:
Friedman and Tramble both pointed out on your recent amp chat they've gotten transformers with that issue from Heyboer and Mercury before, so not like that is something that never happens in the industry lol
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Had the same thing on my RevF PT. The transformer vibrates which then causes the cover to make this resonance-tone. After I tightened all screw, it became much less.
In fact, all my old Rectos had this sound coming from the covers of the PT which disappeared when touching the cover. Some more, others less
 
I had that hum on an amp...I just opened up the bell housing and put caulk on it to stop the noise. lol
 
denialist said:
Okay so where can we order direct from Europe?
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I got both of my 1959HWs from these guys:

https://www.musicstore.com/en_US/USD/brands/marshall

They're currently out of stock on the 1959HW and 2023X but have the 1987X in stock (those are IIRC the only 3 with universal transformers, anything else would require a transformer swap or external transformer).

Be warned though shipping at this time of year sucks, I ordered a 1959HW at the tail end of October and it didn't get here until the end of November.
 
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