headlessdeadguy
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I don’t even like Pantera and I don’t have a problem with his tone.
Sell your mark IIC+: the black album was a mark 3.
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anomaly
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I heard Dime saying he got that sizzle from a little SS Marshall combo amp. Called it "the fry". Anyways what I'm saying is it's mostly Randall that you are hearing, but ya he did blend in some tube amps, but I thought he (Vinnie) said it was mostly to get a thicker midrange?? I'll have to dig up the article.
anomaly
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Yes it's absolutely is crucial. When I had a Dimeslime with a l-500xl I could sound just like Pantera through my Randall's, but the thing with that pickup is it only seemed to like solid state amps. It's a very bright sounding pickup.
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But once you have a wizard you get it . You’re like shit this is what was missing .
anomaly
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Back on topic, Dave Friedman asked Bob if they used anything in particular to get the Sad But True tone, cause it sounds heavier than the rest of the songs and Bob just said "the tuning" being that it's in D, but Bob forgets another thing... there's a baritone guitar on Sad But True, it's even in the Year and a half video.
The baritone accentuated the percussive parts of the riff, it didn’t make the tone. The playing and the tuning made that tone. He’s 100 percent right. Every played a riff that wasn’t in the right key? It doesn’t sound right sometimes does it? Why do you think dime and others played in such weird non standard tunings? Because the tone tone sounded right at a specific tuning. Sure the baritone added to it, but stating that bob forgot about the baritone completely just because he didn’t mention it in this particular interview, doesn’t exactly mean he forgot it . I think that’s a stretch.
He also didn’t mention the 14 other amps in the studio outside of mentioning the mark 3, I doubt that means he didn’t remember them.
RaceU4her
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The thing no one talks about is them spendings a month each on drum and guitar tones, I mean I record each instrument and mix my clips in the two hours I have before I go to work in the morning and I think they sound pretty decent, I can’t imagine being given a month in a top studio to get tones lol
mentoneman
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i love my blue III for holdsworth lead tones
and for sykes rhythm and lead tones
interesting that both used a juice extractor and similar rigs but got such radically different results!
can even chase dream theater clean tones with a compressor in the loop and lotsa dly/vb/chor toys
Tone Monster
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Still have never seen a Mark III near them in the studio. I'm sure they hid it under the board for this moment in time. Waiting for a pic. The Day That Never Comes.
Chuggs_The_Barbarian
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I have the washburn D3’s with 500xl in them and two deans with SH-13’s. The 500’s have very absent mids. The SH-13’s are more aggressive and have more mids and output. He use a lot of eq befor the amp to take the highs and bass down with the mids pushed up. The 500 to me has muddy bass output compared to the SH-13.
anomaly
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I prefer the l-500xl to the Dimebucker. The Dimebucker is way over the top... just way too bright for my tastes. I find the l-500xl to be bright, but not to the extreme level the Dimebucker is. Both pickups aren't very mid heavy, they kinda have this hollow character to them, but when you're boosting the mids before the amp it works for that Dime tone.
I find an easy way to get Dimebag's tone is to just use a Randall century 200 or rg100es and then use a Metal Zone with the EQ set at noon, level cranked, drive at 0. So it's just being used as a boost. That gets you close if you have a ML with a BL L500xl. Of course a MXR 6 band and a furman pq3 or 4 will get you even closer,, obviously. But finding the right PQ4 settings is a bitch.
When I used to own a Dean ML Dimeslime, I took out the Dimebucker and put in a l-500xl, it was an immediate tone improvement IMO. The Dimebucker is just too much treble.
anomaly
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Holdsworth also used a Boogie .50 caliber + and I believe a studio pre-amp or Quad for his lead tones at one point. The .50 caliber + is very Mark like in tone, i owned one for a while and it dialed in exactly the same way you dial in a Mark. Treble high, bass low, V shape on the GEQ... but I believe Holdsworth had some very middy settings on the GEQ of his Boogies.