Soooo… $3499 for the RI Dual Rec?

[Racerxrated]

The Hell Razor unlike the MTL has imo great feel that is more connected/liquid than other Wizard’s with way more saturation and gain on tap (stupid amounts of gain if needed). Not dry or unforgiving like the MTL, but still an honest amp with a lot of clarity that all wizards have. I bet it would cut similarly well. The MTL and MC weren’t keepers for me, but my Hell Razor KT150 is somewhere in my top 4. 680 plate voltage too

Haven't had them all, but I did have a 50w MTL and the MC1 100...both had really good feel, yet definitely was a bit dry but not even close to VHT/Fryette dry. The amps became even more liquid with a boost in front; although both were picky like a Cameron Marshall would be for example.

 

[cscotto]

As post earlier said, everyone has a sad Recto story, so here is mine. I started using Rectos in the mid 90's. My first Recto was a chrome chassis Rev. F that I bought used from Daddy's Junky Music, if anyone remembers that store. I loved that amp, and it sounded great. Clean channel was a joke compared to my Marks, but you did not get a Recto back in the day for cleans. I had to see that amp for financial reasons, and of course, I regret it to this day.

A couple of years later, I picked up a Rev. G. I did not like it as much. It was not as tight, the parallel FX loop gave the amp a phasey sound to me, and of course, there was the fizz you could not dial out. I don't know if folks remember, but a small cottage industry developed around modding Rev. G rectos to make them sound "better." Mike Fortin was one of the main people doing mods.

When the 3-channel came out, it was marketed as an improved version of the 2-channel. Obviously, better clean channel, more modes per channel. But it still had that parallel FX loop. I dumped the 2-channel hoping the 3-channel would be better. It was better in some ways and worse in others.

When the multi-watt came out, it was marketed as having voicing that went back to the earliest Rectos (no fizz). It had the Lonestar clean channel, and a return to the series FX loop. I dumped my 3-channel and picked up the MW, and it has not disappointed me. I have a MW Triple.

While the new 90's Recto sounds great in a lot of videos, I personally do not think it sounds any better than the MW. My MW Triple boosted with a Fortin 33 sounds beastly. Nevertheless, the new 90s Recto did surprise me with how tight it sounded without a boost. Reminded me more of my Rev. F.

I picked up a UAD Knuckles pedal, which is a modeled Rev. F, and I think it sounds fantastic, very close to old recordings of my Rev. F.

So, would I sell my MW Triple to get the new 90s Recto? No. I don't see the value. If I really want to go the nostalgia route trying to correct my past mistake of selling my Rev. F, I think I will just spend a bit extra and get a Rev. F. I am watching a couple on Reverb. In the meantime, if I want to scratch the Rev. F itch, I will use my Knuckles pedal.

 

[RaceU4her]

It might be cause I just slapped the microphone somewhere, I got tired of people saying I sounded the same so I just always used different mic placements. At the end of the day I just can’t escape it

I’ve defended you more than anyone against these bullshit accusations, fuck those jerks

 

[Beyond Black]

I’ve defended you more than anyone against these bullshit accusations, fuck those jerks

Agreed, and that can be said for most content creators who use the same mics, cabs and EARS in their vids.
Anybody with an ear can hear the differences in the amps being demonstrated.

 

[WizardSouth-JP]

I've owned a bunch of Recto variants over the years, Rev G Triple with chrome chassis/black DP, MultiWatt Duals & Triples, Roadster, Road King, Rev F Tremoverb...and one thing I noticed was you could get the tone just with different settings - you couldn't set the EQ the same on each amp and expect the same results. Variances in components or whatever - the fact is that whatever differences there are in all those designs (though similar) there's gonna be some drift in tolerance and then for what we hear on youtube clips etc, user error comes into play - and if you're not boosting a Recto, you're doing it wrong.

 

[WizardSouth-JP]

Check out The Pretty Reckless albums. Pretty killer tone imo. Out of an MCII I believe. Saw them live at Rock Fest here, in 14 and in Chicago at a place I don't remember in 2015. Fucking crushing live hard rock tone. Metal? Not sure if that amp would be tight enough but who knows. I'm sure the newer models like the HR, newer MTL are.
As far as a live amp, that tone is all modded Marshall to me. Cut better than any low mid centric amp, without a doubt.

I sat in Ricks studio and listened to recorded Wizards through studio monitors with Rick at the helm- they record just fine. If you think they don't record well then something is off.

 

[Racerxrated]

I’ve defended you more than anyone against these bullshit accusations, fuck those jerks

I don't understand the criticism....everyone dials their amps to sound like them, because we each have certain ways of dialing in our sound. So my cheesy phone clips sound similar..because I dial the amps to MY sound.
Like ^^Jeff said, anyone who chases tone SHOULD have good enough ears to sense the differences between different amp tones. Even if they're all dialed similarly for that player.

 

[Racerxrated]

I've owned a bunch of Recto variants over the years, Rev G Triple with chrome chassis/black DP, MultiWatt Duals & Triples, Roadster, Road King, Rev F Tremoverb...and one thing I noticed was you could get the tone just with different settings - you couldn't set the EQ the same on each amp and expect the same results. Variances in components or whatever - the fact is that whatever differences there are in all those designs (though similar) there's gonna be some drift in tolerance and then for what we hear on youtube clips etc, user error comes into play - and if you're not boosting a Recto, you're doing it wrong.

I don't think any Tverb aligned with any earlier Dual Recto revision, though. While the Tverb did have their own revisions, and sound different from one another they still didn't match an F or earlier Recto. I believe Mike B will tell you they are all Gs.
The 3 F Triples I've had all had a very organic, rich tone that is very apparent and obviously a step up from any of the Gs I had. Big difference to my ears and I did have 2 Gs when I got my first F..compared them directly.

 

[WizardSouth-JP]

I don't think any Tverb aligned with any earlier Dual Recto revision, though. While the Tverb did have their own revisions, and sound different from one another they still didn't match an F or earlier Recto. I believe Mike B will tell you they are all Gs.
The 3 F Triples I've had all had a very organic, rich tone that is very apparent and obviously a step up from any of the Gs I had. Big difference to my ears and I did have 2 Gs when I got my first F..compared them directly.

I was always told the Tremo-Verb was a G circuit. I loved the last one I had but flipped it for a good chunk of profit back during the WuFlu era.

 

[Racerxrated]

I was always told the Tremo-Verb was a G circuit. I loved the last one I had but flipped it for a good chunk of profit back during the WuFlu era.

A few yrs back there was a Tverb for sale with a serial loop, and the board revision was D. It was cheap but in a home-brew wooden head shell. Would be interesting to compare that super early one with an F Dual.

 

[RaceU4her]

Agreed, and that can be said for most content creators who use the same mics, cabs and EARS in their vids.
Anybody with an ear can hear the differences in the amps being demonstrated.

For me it’s just he sounds the closest to I do through the same bunch of amps we have compared to everyone else, some guys play the same amps and I have no clue how they get the sounds they do, so I trust his demos the most. When I see other people say he sounds the same, I take that as all my clips must sound the same too, which I don’t believe is the case, and it makes my sensitive feelings tender as fuck

 

[Ola Englund]

I’ve defended you more than anyone against these bullshit accusations, fuck those jerks

It won’t go unnoticed…

 

[desertdweller]

It might be cause I just slapped the microphone somewhere, I got tired of people saying I sounded the same so I just always used different mic placements. At the end of the day I just can’t escape it

Gaining haters and naysayers means you’ve worked to put yourself in a position people are envious of. For a decade you've been mine and probably a lot of other people's comfort youtuber. Your taste in tone is basically my taste in tone at this point.

 

[braintheory]

Haven't had them all, but I did have a 50w MTL and the MC1 100...both had really good feel, yet definitely was a bit dry but not even close to VHT/Fryette dry. The amps became even more liquid with a boost in front; although both were picky like a Cameron Marshall would be for example.

The Hell Razor is a different animal. I like its feel much more than the MTL and MC1 I had (even boosted). Much easier and liquid for me to play than those 2 I had. It’s imo sorta like an MC that got the perfect high gain mod where it doesn’t need a boost or anything else. One of those amps that is worse boosted. I will say now that I’ve had it for a year, the MC and MTL I remember being more open and better for more rock stuff like Pretty Reckless when dialed in for less gain, but the HR is still very open for how much gain it has (stupid amounts on tap), Other than more moderate gain rock tones find it to be a far superior amp to those, at least of the MTL and MC I had. I have no desire to go back to those, but am curious about other powertube version HR’s. The only thing I’ll say is it took me a very long time (until very recently) to figure out how dial it in to my liking (some pretty weird settings). There’s a very fine line where it can sound bad also if it’s off by a bit. The MC and MTL were not like that