sorry....no.

[ejecta]

ed do you know this guy personally?

No...but I know guys that are hardcore influenced by him, like Henry Kaiser.
I almost quit posting on HRI because of Derek Bailey slammage, can't stomach closed minded shit, this is what I post on TGP re closed minded...


Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 12,341
Ya know what bugs me?
Closed minded shit!
Threads whining about Henry Kaiser or Derek Bailey. "I can't relate to it, and it doesn't fit my precisely engineered little boxes I use to compartmentalize playing therefore it's garbage". type attitude.
Cuts the other way too...John mayer sucks because...Yngwie sucks because.
yeah, yeah, whatever.
Like all the nonsense about the EVH outta tune you tube clip. Who gives a damn whether he is ouuta tune on one song, all the guessing about the why, yet I haven't heard the most obvious...is it possible that in the flow didn't matter, or the mix was crap enough, yada, yada, yada...

bottom line if every aspiring woulda been a contenter spent a bit more time looking in the proverbial mirror we might have a happier world.

Pat you know I dig your way with words and we had disagreements in the past, I can hang with your take on DB, but what bugs me - A LOT- is with the inter nets lemming approach when it snowballs into the "worst player I ever heard" coming from student level players Dig?

IMHO if you really didnt care that other players dont like or "get" out of the box players and they are close minded then why in the world would you get mad? I like SOME out of the box players that arent popular amongst the norm but seriously there reaches a point to where its so far out that its noise for the sake of noise. Im also a visual artist myself and have studied great artists of the past and understand how they got so good at the art they were paid to make the went out of the box on purpose to come full circle. Yes IMHO there is art that is out of the box that is pure genious but there is art that is so out of the box that a 3 yr old or a trained elephant could do it but I know when its to make a point and not just jsut to be out. Trully I get these players know so much theory and can play circles "in the box" but like it or not "out of the box" can go too far and the dude in the original post was just making noise for the sake of being out of the box. I like contrast and that makes good art IMHO but pace it up against things that arent so far out to give it an anchor to make your point with jsut dont go out of the box for no good reason. And to act like guys who cant or wont understand out of the box players are musical idots comes off a bit elitist. Seriously if that mentality pisses you off then dont read the threads that flame such players or trully not give a shit.

 

[degenaro]

ed do you know this guy personally?

No...but I know guys that are hardcore influenced by him, like Henry Kaiser.
I almost quit posting on HRI because of Derek Bailey slammage, can't stomach closed minded shit, this is what I post on TGP re closed minded...


Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 12,341
Ya know what bugs me?
Closed minded shit!
Threads whining about Henry Kaiser or Derek Bailey. "I can't relate to it, and it doesn't fit my precisely engineered little boxes I use to compartmentalize playing therefore it's garbage". type attitude.
Cuts the other way too...John mayer sucks because...Yngwie sucks because.
yeah, yeah, whatever.
Like all the nonsense about the EVH outta tune you tube clip. Who gives a damn whether he is ouuta tune on one song, all the guessing about the why, yet I haven't heard the most obvious...is it possible that in the flow didn't matter, or the mix was crap enough, yada, yada, yada...

bottom line if every aspiring woulda been a contenter spent a bit more time looking in the proverbial mirror we might have a happier world.

Pat you know I dig your way with words and we had disagreements in the past, I can hang with your take on DB, but what bugs me - A LOT- is with the inter nets lemming approach when it snowballs into the "worst player I ever heard" coming from student level players Dig?

IMHO if you really didnt care that other players dont like or "get" out of the box players and they are close minded then why in the world would you get mad? I like SOME out of the box players that arent popular amongst the norm but seriously there reaches a point to where its so far out that its noise for the sake of noise. Im also a visual artist myself and have studied great artists of the past and understand how they got so good at the art they were paid to make the went out of the box on purpose to come full circle. Yes IMHO there is art that is out of the box that is pure genious but there is art that is so out of the box that a 3 yr old or a trained elephant could do it but I know when its to make a point and not just jsut to be out. Trully I get these players know so much theory and can play circles "in the box" but like it or not "out of the box" can go too far and the dude in the original post was just making noise for the sake of being out of the box. I like contrast and that makes good art IMHO but pace it up against things that arent so far out to give it an anchor to make your point with jsut dont go out of the box for no good reason. And to act like guys who cant or wont understand out of the box players are musical idots comes off a bit elitist. Seriously if that mentality pisses you off then dont read the threads that flame such players or trully not give a shit.

I don't care about the dislike, i'm bothered by the generous amount of negativity dispensed...

 

[ejecta]

I don't care about the dislike, i'm bothered by the generous amount of negativity dispensed...

Ed you are a monster player and very very cool guy. I respect you and where you are coming from, truly I do....but only to a point. I cant go all the way there with you on these guys. If that makes me a close minded idiot that dispenses generous amounts of negativity becasue I call bullshit when I hear it in these guys playing then so be it.

No hard feelings I hope.

 

[degenaro]

I don't care about the dislike, i'm bothered by the generous amount of negativity dispensed...

Ed you are a monster player and very very cool guy. I respect you and where you are coming from, truly I do....but only to a point. I cant go all the way there with you on these guys. If that makes me a close minded idiot that dispenses generous amounts of negativity becasue I call bullshit when I hear it in these guys playing then so be it.

No hard feelings I hope.

none whatsoever...
Just in case I'm not clear..it's the "worst player I ever heard" comments that got me pondering this shit.

 

[Zachman]

Let me pose the question. Can he play that tune the same way every time or is he just randomly making noise?

There is an audiance for this type of stuff but it will never be my cup of tea.

could you imagine looking forward to hearing this "tune" in concert, as in "oh that's my favorite song of his"???

i could toss a handful of rocks on the neck of a squire strat and be more musical

Clearly the tone was in his fingers

 

[Zachman]

i say if this guy is willing to pluck suck "risky" sounds,
he should be willing to have his nads in the wringer for it as well.

experimentation by nature is wide open for public failure and the consequences thereof, like people hating and loathing his thing---being symapthetic to this guy just because he is rebelling against normalcy just makes you a fan of abnormal or atypical things, not ultra deep or wise. 50 years from now i still would not find any redeeming value to what he's doing.

to select what 99.9999 percent of the thinking world considers nonsense and choosing to play just that and nothing else seems idiotic. soy bomb leaps to mind. and about him being able to repeat that stuff, could you honestly recoginze one *piece* from another? it just seems like just because he's keeping a straight face we're supposed to take him seriously as he flogs and scrapes and sqeaks away.

for me it honestly seems insanely hilariously bad, as if he's playing one mistake after the next, and if there is a point to his thing i'm missing, i just don't care to ever try to understand it because it is so unattractive.

After having seen that, I could see how smashing oneself in the balls with a hammer could be an attractive look, just prior to snapping the pic, for family photo time.

WTF, is wrong with people.

 

[OneArmedScissor]

Holy Christ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5dz_1me ... re=related

I somehow missed this thread, but I must say that this truly is a work of art. Thank you for finding it.

 

[Inearthed]

i've gone to the liberty of selecting some otherworldly moments in this milestone.

3:08-3:23

3:46-3:50

4:02-4:12

4:46-5:00 (frank gambale look out--this swirling cadenza is sure to turn some heads...or stomachs)

I'm not one to really slam anyones guitar playing but I don't get it and some of the parts are hilarious. If anyone gets fed up with the video after the first two minutes, go back and listen/watch the video from 3:30-4:09. The build up is awesome and then the part at 4:01-4:06 had me laughing out loud for a good minute or two. I rewatched the 4:00-4:09 part about 6 times.

Edit... I can understand where Ed's coming from but if you have zero frame of reference, like myself, the clip almost comes across as a joke. I guess the same thing goes with people that watch the death metal videos and laugh at them.

Was that clip an actual piece or just some improvising? If it was a piece and he can replicate it I'm pretty impressed.