Suhr SE-100 HW Head

[thiswaythatway]

Didn't ZZ Top tour (love Billy Gibbons' tone) with Crate's several years ago? Sure tone is in the hands...find an amp you like. (<---that's period)

I think the general thought is that Gibbons is your typical Les Paul/Marshall guy when that's far from the case as he has tinkered and toyed with tons of gear. In the 80's it sounded like he ditched all his gear and played through a Rockman or Gallien Krueger.

 

[WizardSouth-JP]

same with alot of 80's top acts (Alex Lifeson did use that GK stuff). I'm takling "ZZ Top's 1st Album" tone

 

[Deleted member 16554]

Does this thing sound like the PT100 (I own one) to you guys? SE+ same platform .

i think it is the same SE+ platform, with the only exception that its handwired by john suhr...i don't know if i'd even hear or feel the difference

but i certainly want to try it and at the very least hear some clips

GAS works in mysterious ways

 

[1meanplexi]

Does this thing sound like the PT100 (I own one) to you guys? SE+ same platform .

i think it is the same SE+ platform, with the only exception that its handwired by john suhr...i don't know if i'd even hear or feel the difference

but i certainly want to try it and at the very least hear some clips

GAS works in mysterious ways

When I get those MCP's I got from you thrown into a guitar I will post clips of the PT, Splawn and FJA modded SLP. Stay tuned.

 

[Deleted member 16554]

When I get those MCP's I got from you thrown into a guitar I will post clips of the PT, Splawn and FJA modded SLP. Stay tuned.

hahaha probably going to make me wish i never sold them

but i've got a TAG inbound so maybe that will help make my attention go elsewhere

 

[1meanplexi]

Nah....That TAG ya got rollin' in will make it all right with the world and some!

 

[lester]

^^^ That sounds about right and cleans up a hell of a lot better too. You have all the pieces to get the most out of it too. That v30 4x12, the koko boost, those guitars. I'd be surprise if this didn't kick ass for you.

The only thing you're probably gonna need now...is another 4x12

 

[chrisrocksusa]

sounds great, but nothing distinguishes it from other amps that cost less money. If it was 2k I'd say it's a sure thing.

 

[lester]

I don't know, I have the SE+ and the boosted lead channel gets me right in my Cornford's territory. That MK50 II cranked, sings like you never felt before and the SE+ gets right around there. The power and the quality of the clean channel alone, is worth the price of this thing and John's updated crunch channel's pretty cool too...and hit it with a Koko..fugetaboutit.
The build quality is supreme and I'm not one for pcb's normally, that's just me, but if John handwired this fucker it'd be around 5 grand easily.

What are these other amps you're talking about that gets you there for less?

 

[philb]

exchanged a couple of PMs with the guy that was selling his SE-100HW on TGP, he said that the bottom end was too loose for him

This is the first "real-world" user feedback i've heard for this amp, so thought people might be interested

See, that's a deal killer for me. I really like the Marshall tone but love a tight bottom end. That's why my main amp is a Mark V. I do love the Marshall tone though and the best of both world would be to own a high gain tight low end Marshall flavored amp and the Mesa.

 

[philb]

if someone was in the market for this style amp, it would be tough to take this over the Friedman BE100...which is know for being tight

Yes

 

[jimistheman]

Hey Guys,

I actually purchased the SE100 off of TGP, and it is due to arrive to me sometime next week, when I'll happily post a full report. I'm on the opposite track it seems of rockinchippy. We are all on the tonal journey, and certainly hear things differently. I love hear the different perspectives here.

I'm a huge Andy Wood fan, so I really love my Diezel Herbert and Hagen. I also have the OD100 SE+ and PT100 heads, and I just sold the Friedman BE100. The BE100 was very cool, but I just preferred the PT100 and OD100SE+. To me, the lead tones out of the SE+ are simply amazing. I'm a big believer in horses for courses--so I really like to run multiple amps in tandem. Herbert for crushing rhythms, OD100 SE+ for leads, etc. I feel like the Suhr heads really present themselves well in a band context--they just leap out in the mix. I'm really curious about the apparent looseness of bottom end on the SE100. I could somewhat understand that relating to the OD100 SE+, where I feel that amp truly excels for lead/soloing but not necessarily heavy palm mute chugging. As I understand it, Suhr made some EQ adjustments and removed some bass on the handwired version, so I can't wait to try it. I will keep you all posted.

 

[glip22]

exchanged a couple of PMs with the guy that was selling his SE-100HW on TGP, he said that the bottom end was too loose for him

This is the first "real-world" user feedback i've heard for this amp, so thought people might be interested

See, that's a deal killer for me. I really like the Marshall tone but love a tight bottom end. That's why my main amp is a Mark V. I do love the Marshall tone though and the best of both world would be to own a high gain tight low end Marshall flavored amp and the Mesa.

This is why you should try a Cameron modded Marshall. The bottom end is where allot of modders/builders have trouble with a Marshall circuit. Mark knows how to do it. My Jose and Aldrich have a huge bottom end and thump but nothing that gets farty or flubby.

 

[Deleted member 16554]

Hey Guys,

I actually purchased the SE100 off of TGP, and it is due to arrive to me sometime next week, when I'll happily post a full report. I'm on the opposite track it seems of rockinchippy. We are all on the tonal journey, and certainly hear things differently. I love hear the different perspectives here.

I'm a huge Andy Wood fan, so I really love my Diezel Herbert and Hagen. I also have the OD100 SE+ and PT100 heads, and I just sold the Friedman BE100. The BE100 was very cool, but I just preferred the PT100 and OD100SE+. To me, the lead tones out of the SE+ are simply amazing. I'm a big believer in horses for courses--so I really like to run multiple amps in tandem. Herbert for crushing rhythms, OD100 SE+ for leads, etc. I feel like the Suhr heads really present themselves well in a band context--they just leap out in the mix. I'm really curious about the apparent looseness of bottom end on the SE100. I could somewhat understand that relating to the OD100 SE+, where I feel that amp truly excels for lead/soloing but not necessarily heavy palm mute chugging. As I understand it, Suhr made some EQ adjustments and removed some bass on the handwired version, so I can't wait to try it. I will keep you all posted.

i knew i recognized the avatar on tgp!!!

good stuff, lookin forward to clips, pics and your thoughts!!!

 

[jimistheman]

Hey Guys,

I actually purchased the SE100 off of TGP, and it is due to arrive to me sometime next week, when I'll happily post a full report. I'm on the opposite track it seems of rockinchippy. We are all on the tonal journey, and certainly hear things differently. I love hear the different perspectives here.

I'm a huge Andy Wood fan, so I really love my Diezel Herbert and Hagen. I also have the OD100 SE+ and PT100 heads, and I just sold the Friedman BE100. The BE100 was very cool, but I just preferred the PT100 and OD100SE+. To me, the lead tones out of the SE+ are simply amazing. I'm a big believer in horses for courses--so I really like to run multiple amps in tandem. Herbert for crushing rhythms, OD100 SE+ for leads, etc. I feel like the Suhr heads really present themselves well in a band context--they just leap out in the mix. I'm really curious about the apparent looseness of bottom end on the SE100. I could somewhat understand that relating to the OD100 SE+, where I feel that amp truly excels for lead/soloing but not necessarily heavy palm mute chugging. As I understand it, Suhr made some EQ adjustments and removed some bass on the handwired version, so I can't wait to try it. I will keep you all posted.

i knew i recognized the avatar on tgp!!!

good stuff, lookin forward to clips, pics and your thoughts!!!

Absolutely! I will post a full review when it arrives!!!

 

[belmontbluekings]

cant go wrong with shur!

 

[Deleted member 16554]

rockinchippy: it's demo time dude

 

[Heritage Softail]

if someone was in the market for this style amp, it would be tough to take this over the Friedman BE100...which is know for being tight

No denying the brown eye is tight.

 

[Suhr]

I've always looked at the SE as a tone that someone with good pick control can tweak just by the way he plays.
The SE was me chasing some of my old heroes like Billy Gibbons, Old Neal Schon, Leslie West, Brian May.
I like things over the top and that gives me the ability to squeeze the tones out just by the way I play, play with a lighter touch and turn the amp up, work the volume control and explore the tones the pick can give you. There are a few schools of thought on bass.

1) Take most the bass out of the preamp and but it back in the power section.
Advantages to this is the amp is tighter, you still have bass and it is easy to play with chords and chunk rhythm, it is very forgiving on cord work with high gain.
Disadvantage, the bass isn't real, it doesn't push past the cabinet in a live situation and sometimes the tone sounds "produced" or stuck in the cabinet.
Power section is dirtier and has more harmonic distortion.
Single note solo lines are thinner sounding not as fat and 3D as alternatives.

2) Put bass in the preamp and have the power section be relatively flat (not boosting bass)
Advantages to this are the single note soloing are fat and 3D. Sweet solo tones that cut through. Friendlier with single coils.
Preamp send (effects loop) is what you get and the power section is easier used as a true power amp with effects.
In the SE the gain is substantial and the gain pot is another tone essentially, For instance, you will get a shreddy tight tone with the gain on 5 or 6 but push it up around 7 or 8 and you better have excellent pick control to deal with that fat overdrive. For the record this is basically the same circuit as Doug Aldrich's main amp he has used for Dio (live record), Whitesnake and most of his live gigs. Doug does not push the gain past 5 or 6 and prefers to boost in front for solos. Reb Beach also used this circuit for many years up until 2 years ago when he switched to PT100s. Reb told me his 3+ modded Marshall amp was used on Cherry Pie. You can also hear this clearly on the Rhythm tracks of F.U.C.K on The Dream is over, those Rhythm tracks are the 3+ channel 3 before the SE (which I could put in an SE handwired or OD)
Disadvantage... When playing high gain settings it can get muddy if you don't control the bass but IMO the rewards come back to you 10 fold when you get a handle on the beast.

For the record the PT100 sits someplace in the middle and is a blend of those two schools of thought.

 

[Suhr]

SE probably works best with 4x12 and V30's PT100 I like with G12M Chinese or similar FYI