Techs, explain the need for extended scale lengths.

[maddnotez]

I understand Drop C is pretty standard and a hell of a difference from Drop G... Some seven stringers call drop A AEADGBE... That's not really drop A in the sense of the whole guitar being dropped of course.

I would say the general rule of thumb is that people overstate the importance of heavy gauge and scale length to a certain degree. Like the guy above me who has trouble on a strat style with 56-11 in drop C... That should be more than plenty for the majority of players especially when you consider the Strat has a 25.5"

11's would be a bit overkill for me and would be too tense for Drop C on a 25.5. I can run 10's in Drop B very comfortably on a Jackson Dinky 25.5. Many players i see have opted to ditch the heavier top ends for less wear and tear on their digits and extra playability. I think i saw where Loomis said he had moved down to 9's.

Another use for extended scale. You can use lighter string to achieve the correct intonation and also obtain the rich harmonic content

 

[maddnotez]

Lol you guys keep saying Drop C.

That's standard tuning these days.

When I say low I am talking drop G specifically,

Standard tuning is E.

Yes if your 45+ and still think EVH has the greatest tone.

I'm 44, love standard tuning, and EVH's tone is one of greatest of all time. I play in drop D and sometimes I mess with open G. I'm also in the process of refurbishing my late brother's Shecter Celloblaster that will probably be dropped pretty low tuning wise... probably tune it to A but I'll see what works best. That way I don't have to use any of my traditional guitars for low tuning. So yeah I love some really dropped tuned tones as well......

anyhow your age/EVH stereotype is fucking stupid. Just saying.

It was more of a stab at EJC but also a classic Rig-Talk zinger.

In all honesty I would actually think it's a petty truthful statement.

I would think most people, a good majority of guitarists under the middle aged area do not tune to E ever or think EVH has the greatest tone of all time.

More so about the tuning. I just threw EVH in there because this is Rig/Talk

 

[searching]

I understand Drop C is pretty standard and a hell of a difference from Drop G... Some seven stringers call drop A AEADGBE... That's not really drop A in the sense of the whole guitar being dropped of course.

I would say the general rule of thumb is that people overstate the importance of heavy gauge and scale length to a certain degree. Like the guy above me who has trouble on a strat style with 56-11 in drop C... That should be more than plenty for the majority of players especially when you consider the Strat has a 25.5"

11's would be a bit overkill for me and would be too tense for Drop C on a 25.5. I can run 10's in Drop B very comfortably on a Jackson Dinky 25.5. Many players i see have opted to ditch the heavier top ends for less wear and tear on their digits and extra playability. I think i saw where Loomis said he had moved down to 9's.

Another use for extended scale. You can use lighter string to achieve the correct intonation and also obtain the rich harmonic content

Very true. But i want my cake and eat it, too. I only own one extended scale 6 stringer and there's times when that seems like one too many Something about the old 24.5/24.75/25 and 22 frets that just fits me like a glove.

 

[ejecta]

Lol you guys keep saying Drop C.

That's standard tuning these days.

When I say low I am talking drop G specifically,

Standard tuning is E.

Yes if your 45+ and still think EVH has the greatest tone.

I'm 44, love standard tuning, and EVH's tone is one of greatest of all time. I play in drop D and sometimes I mess with open G. I'm also in the process of refurbishing my late brother's Shecter Celloblaster that will probably be dropped pretty low tuning wise... probably tune it to A but I'll see what works best. That way I don't have to use any of my traditional guitars for low tuning. So yeah I love some really dropped tuned tones as well......

anyhow your age/EVH stereotype is fucking stupid. Just saying.

It was more of a stab at EJC but also a classic Rig-Talk zinger.

In all honesty I would actually think it's a petty truthful statement.

I would think most people, a good majority of guitarists under the middle aged area do not tune to E ever or think EVH has the greatest tone of all time.

More so about the tuning. I just threw EVH in there because this is Rig/Talk

If true that's really really sad and just as close minded as you are claiming us middle age guys are. That said.. I think your stereotype of younger guitarists and what the majority tunes to is off as well.

 

[searching]

How exactly does a person go about tuning to this Standard E i keep hearing about? Is this some newfangled stuff the Djent kids are doing or something?

 

[maddnotez]

We'll ejecter you can argue and hate all you want but I'd still be willing to bet 90% of guitarists under that age do not tune to E.

You don't have to agree but i will say my age. I'm 33, have been playing for almost 20 years, have met many guitar players and not one of them tuned to E.

I don't know every guitarist in the world but I would again assume a very small portion of them are in E

 

[maddnotez]

I understand Drop C is pretty standard and a hell of a difference from Drop G... Some seven stringers call drop A AEADGBE... That's not really drop A in the sense of the whole guitar being dropped of course.

I would say the general rule of thumb is that people overstate the importance of heavy gauge and scale length to a certain degree. Like the guy above me who has trouble on a strat style with 56-11 in drop C... That should be more than plenty for the majority of players especially when you consider the Strat has a 25.5"

11's would be a bit overkill for me and would be too tense for Drop C on a 25.5. I can run 10's in Drop B very comfortably on a Jackson Dinky 25.5. Many players i see have opted to ditch the heavier top ends for less wear and tear on their digits and extra playability. I think i saw where Loomis said he had moved down to 9's.

Another use for extended scale. You can use lighter string to achieve the correct intonation and also obtain the rich harmonic content

Very true. But i want my cake and eat it, too. I only own one extended scale 6 stringer and there's times when that seems like one too many Something about the old 24.5/24.75/25 and 22 frets that just fits me like a glove.

Do whatever works for you. The other guitarist I jam with in drop G uses a 25.5" no problems.

I just really want a Baritone and from the research I've done and things I've read it's proper to use a longer scale for such a low tuning and sounds better.

Just my thought process to each their own.

My only issue is I'm forced to go Agile because I can't afford $2,500 for an axe but the one I'm looking at looks pretty sweet.

 

[maddnotez]

How exactly does a person go about tuning to this Standard E i keep hearing about? Is this some newfangled stuff the Djent kids are doing or something?

Just so you know fair weathered friend I don't Djent.

You don't automatically play that style because you tune low. It is however easier and more natural to me to want to just chugalug one note over and over when I use a 7 but that's not what we're doing.

 

[C1-ocaster]

We'll ejecter you can argue and hate all you want but I'd still be willing to bet 90% of guitarists under that age do not tune to E.

You don't have to agree but i will say my age. I'm 33, have been playing for almost 20 years, have met many guitar players and not one of them tuned to E.

I don't know every guitarist in the world but I would again assume a very small portion of them are in E

Oh you youngsters, EVH didn't tune to standard E either.
What's really amusing is that you know who EVH is even though you were likely born with a computer as a pacifier.
Seems that old dude is still known even among the "I have an 8 string bass...errrr guitar" crowd.

BTW, just because there are those who don't agree with everything you say doesn't then mean they are the haters.
Generally, those who bash first are the haters, those who then respond are simply trying to educamacate the hater.

 

[skoora]

Just play a fucking bass already…..

 

[ejecta]

Just play a fucking bass already…..

But then he'd be asking on bass forums how low he can tune a 4 string. Don't you get tuning standard isn't the future of music? This whole tuning down isn't a fad it's the only way for new music to be any good. If it's tuned to standard its shit and your old.

 

[rupe]

Pfff..... extended scales and fat strings.... no thank you. I use 9-42's in drop C on my 25.5 guitars, and I think even on one of my 24.75 guitars also. Easy bends, easy pinch harmonics, and good chord definition, and not even close to being floppy.

You must play with a light touch...or have bad ears . My band does a song in drop c where I play a Strat-style with 11-56 (set up and intonated for that gauge and tuning) and I can easily hear the pitch waver if I dig in hard. I'd guess we have a different idea as to what floppy is.

My ears work great actually. No issues here at all. Fat strings are over rated and just kill attack and definition and replace it with bass.

Do you have anything recorded using 9-42's in drop C that you could share?

 

[Code001]

During the mid 2000s, insurrection over on HCAF said he used to play with 9-42s in Drop A or something absolutely retarded. The most hilarious part was that it actually sounded pretty crushing, although I don't think any clips exist anymore. It was death metal so it's not like tuning and intonation matters for that genre to begin with. I wonder what happened to him...

 

[maddnotez]

Just play a fucking bass already…..

But then he'd be asking on bass forums how low he can tune a 4 string. Don't you get tuning standard isn't the future of music? This whole tuning down isn't a fad it's the only way for new music to be any good. If it's tuned to standard its shit and your old.

The reason I don't tune to E is because it sounds too high pitch to my liking, almost twangy.

I play metal so it doesn't suit me at all.

If I played bass if get a 5-6 string to tune low.

I'm not an idiot and you are the hater.

What exactly are you educating me on?

The fact that you think E is the best tuning and that EVH has the best tone ever?

Can't educate based on opinions.

You stuck your nose in and got mad when I told you where to stick it.

You haven't really made one valid point, all you are doing is talking shit and trying to belittle someone.

You would think you have matured at your age I guess not.

I will say it again to calm you down.

My first EVH and tuning comment was not directed to you but you stuck your nose in.

The EVH thing was a joke because I know how gay RT is for EVH.

Also you are the one who insinuated EVH tuned to E not me.

So kindly screw off and twang yourself

 

[maddnotez]

During the mid 2000s, insurrection over on HCAF said he used to play with 9-42s in Drop A or something absolutely retarded. The most hilarious part was that it actually sounded pretty crushing, although I don't think any clips exist anymore. It was death metal so it's not like tuning and intonation matters for that genre to begin with. I wonder what happened to him...

Could you ever be so wrong.

What's funny is a lot of people say Death metal people are closed minded but it's the exact opposite.

Death metal is my favorite genre but I also listen to classical and classic rock. Even some new age alternative and have given any genre a chance.

Of course it's all opinion but after hearing every genre of music known to man. Classical is the most complicated music in existence and death metal comes in second.

Because of that technicality you actually need a very well tuned and good sounding guitar to make out everything they are doing. Including amp, ect.

Not to mention most people that highly skilled are not beginners and very we'll know how to tune and get a good sound.

Some people want to talk about stereo types? There is a very big one for you, death metal musicians suck, can't tune and can't play because it's all noise.

Most peoples peanut brains can't comprehend the speed or the technicalities of it so they dismiss.

Other people hate the Cookie Monster which is understandable

Of course, these statements are in regards to good and talented metal bands.

We all know there is a lot of untalented shite out there but that can go with any genre.

 

[ejecta]

Just play a fucking bass already…..

But then he'd be asking on bass forums how low he can tune a 4 string. Don't you get tuning standard isn't the future of music? This whole tuning down isn't a fad it's the only way for new music to be any good. If it's tuned to standard its shit and your old.

The reason I don't tune to E is because it sounds too high pitch to my liking, almost twangy.

I play metal so it doesn't suit me at all.

If I played bass if get a 5-6 string to tune low.

I'm not an idiot and you are the hater.

What exactly are you educating me on?

The fact that you think E is the best tuning and that EVH has the best tone ever?

Can't educate based on opinions.

You stuck your nose in and got mad when I told you where to stick it.

You haven't really made one valid point, all you are doing is talking shit and trying to belittle someone.

You would think you have matured at your age I guess not.

I will say it again to calm you down.

My first EVH and tuning comment was not directed to you but you stuck your nose in.

The EVH thing was a joke because I know how gay RT is for EVH.

Also you are the one who insinuated EVH tuned to E not me.

So kindly screw off and twang yourself

Fadtonez..... I'm not mad, no need for me to calm down, nor do I hate anyone. I just called out your stupid ass stereotypes about older and younger players. If the EVH thing was a joke.... it failed. It's a pubic forum that you posted in and I'll comment on anything I want.

If you want to live in your myopic view of music and the world of players then knock yourself out... but reality will always be there to bitch slap you.

 

[maddnotez]

Just play a fucking bass already…..

But then he'd be asking on bass forums how low he can tune a 4 string. Don't you get tuning standard isn't the future of music? This whole tuning down isn't a fad it's the only way for new music to be any good. If it's tuned to standard its shit and your old.

The reason I don't tune to E is because it sounds too high pitch to my liking, almost twangy.

I play metal so it doesn't suit me at all.

If I played bass if get a 5-6 string to tune low.

I'm not an idiot and you are the hater.

What exactly are you educating me on?

The fact that you think E is the best tuning and that EVH has the best tone ever?

Can't educate based on opinions.

You stuck your nose in and got mad when I told you where to stick it.

You haven't really made one valid point, all you are doing is talking shit and trying to belittle someone.

You would think you have matured at your age I guess not.

I will say it again to calm you down.

My first EVH and tuning comment was not directed to you but you stuck your nose in.

The EVH thing was a joke because I know how gay RT is for EVH.

Also you are the one who insinuated EVH tuned to E not me.

So kindly screw off and twang yourself

Fadtonez..... I'm not mad nor do I hate anyone. I just called out your stupid ass stereotypes about older and younger players. If the EVH thing was joke.... it failed. It's pubic forum that you posted in and I'll comment on anything thing I want.

Waa waa. My 3 year old son cries less than you.

It's a public forum ewwww. We'll guess what I can comment on anything I want as well.

Again, do a poll or something. It may be a stereotype but it's a pretty damn accurate one.

It's not like saying one like Death Metal musicians aren't highly skilled or that black people only eat watermelon.

The difference is mine was pretty accurate. Do you seriously think a vast majority of guitarists these days under 40 tune tune E?

If you do your insane. I'd think a VERY small % use E.

Also metal isn't a fad jerkoff It's been around since the late 70's and has gotten bigger and bigger over the years.

Look at lamb of god. I think they won an Emmy or some shit and they're all making 200k+ a year.

Might not have been around since the classic rock days but it's currently lasted about the same time frame. 30+ years give or take for both.

I can tell you one thing there are new low tuned metal bands coming out every day left and right and how many new classic rock bands are there? Not a lot.

It may even be enough to say once the current majority of these fans are gone (your generation) it will be no more?

Maybe classic rock was the fad because metal is on the track of out living it.

 

[ejecta]

I can tell you one thing there are new low tuned metal bands coming out every day left and right and how many new classic rock bands are there? Not a lot.

You need to get outside your drop G metal clique.

All newish bands and young...

That's just a tip of recent music that is classic in flavor and no dropped tunings..... I could post a shit load more. Fact is you live in a small myopic view of music.... that's fine but don't say stupid shit in a public forum and not expect to get called out.

 

[maddnotez]

Maybe there are new classic rock bands and I was wrong. I don't follow it so I guess I wouldn't know.

But I think you should mind your own and not tell me what I need to do.

I'm not part of a drop G tuning clique this is actually the first time I've dedicated myself to this tuning and it's pretty heavy. It would crush your rib cage if you heard it live in a full band setting.

To each their own. Twangy E is not my thing get over it.

Your still wrong about YOUR stereotype that most guitarists do tune to E as far as I'm concerned and that's what your BS was about to begin with.

Ps I wouldn't call a white stripes spin off anything new and that guy isn't really all that great. The drummer especially sucked bad. I'm not a drummer at all and I could play her beats at the age of 14 but again to each their own.

 

[maddnotez]

If anyone wants to discuss extended scales vs. being an old troll post up.

Otherwise I'm done here. Everyone tunes to E and if you don't your not cool. I need to reconsider buying the agile and get a tele with soap bars.