The Super Lead that Dave Jerden is talking about is his Morin mod, not the Bogner. It's on the bottom right of Bryan Carlstrom's head road case below. The year changes every time he mentions it.
I agree. Dave's amps are too smooth. I've said it 100 times.. The PT-20 V2 is the most aggressive offering. I wish he'd revamp the Runt 50 into a PT-50 with that V2 voicing, 3-gain switch, and ditch the clean channel. That would be my ideal Friedman.. That said, for a 50 watt Hot Rodded Marshall, I favor the Helios, (or Splawn Competition).
The Helios in 80's mode is 800 all day.
Regardless what they’re based on (I don’t know as much there) the sound and feel (even more so) IME is just very different. The Bogner modded Marshall I had had a more raw/brash character/not polished and didn’t remind me much of any XTC I tried (including the ‘90’s ones). I’ll have to see about this Snorkler 50 when I hear one in person, but from the clips it seems at least in a similar ballpark to the Bogner mod I had in flavor. It also wasn’t super easy or liquid to play like the XTC or Rev 1 Uber. I can give all these verbal descriptions, but if you just played one chord on it I think you’d see what I mean. It’s just a different flavor/vibe than what the XTC or Helios offer. In some ways it’s like the sound I hoped Friedman’s would be like. It’s not gonna be everyone’s cup of tea, but I love it for what it does well and it seems others do too. The only amp I’ve played that I find a bit reminiscent of it is my Bogner Caveman boosted, but still not the same, but also amazing amp for it is, if not better in some ways for its niche. Sure, there can be overlap or approximation of that sound (I can do that as well with some non-Bogner amps I have), but if you really love the amp for the qualities that make it distinct from others then it’s just that imo as are any keeper material amps
Ahhh, gotcha. Now I get why my statement was puzzling. I never played the Helios but all I understood of it was that it was essentially a hot rodded plexi, sort of like the Chupacabra platform. But yeah you're right, once you add the extra gain stage or clipping, it gets to modded 800 territory. I guess I've just always pinned the Snorkler as a modded 2204 since it was originally built on the 800 layout.
That’s the one defining character of the XTC that makes it an island amp - you can dial in various tones but you absolutely cannot force it to fight your playing and be stiff, choking, or uninspiring. It always maintains that level of character.
Agreed 100%. The Helios and Telos really imo don’t sound Bogner-like to me, very Marshall-y, but are imo some of the better and they made. I’m impressed with how raw and organic they sound and am really really hoping the Snorkler takes after that rather than the UU’s filtered/sterile quality (please please Bogner don’t ruin the Snorkler like that, I’m begging you lol, GZ’s initial post made me fear this)
You have to look up the actual thread here, where Ron Champagne who owns the actual Snorkler, and was the engineer for Facelift tells exactly what was used and for what.
I wouldn’t say at least with the Bogner modded Marshall I had it was at all like I was fighting the amp nor stiff, choked or uninspiring. In its own way it felt pretty good to me, just a very different type of feel than the XTC or Uber’s have. Not a shredder’s dream type amp. Can’t say how this new Snorkler’s feel will be
Yes, I’m familiar with Dan Daley’s Studio Sound interview and Jerden’s comments from Gearslutz/Gearspace. In addition to calling that Morin Marshall a ‘78 and ‘88, he’s also called it an ‘80 a few times.The Super Lead that Dave Jerden is talking about is his Morin mod, not the Bogner. It's on the bottom right of Bryan Carlstrom's head road case below. The year changes every time he mentions it.
"The main rhythm guitars for Facelift were recorded with a Randall 100 Watt and a Marshall 100 Super lead (left and right guitars) . For the lead guitars on both albums I used my 1988 Marshall Super Lead 100 watt modified by Mike Morin."
"I do remember using my 1978 Marshall Super Lead for lead guitars ( as I do on most of my recordings). My Super Lead was modified by Mike Morin and has an extra pre amp stage and is switchable between 50 Watt and 100 Watt."
