THE FRACTAL DEBACLE

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bstaley":1tmx5u1t said:
As far as the mods on the Fractal forum, yeah I pretty much gave up on posting there, unless I absolutely have to. If you have ANYTHING negative to say that isn't totally kissing Fractal's ass they will send you private PM's warning you of your insolence. I don't need that.
The only forum where even more asskissing is demanded by the mods/admins is Manowar's offical "House Of Death" Forum manowarforum.proboards.com You should check it out just for the kicks of it. Watch the reactions even to posts in neutral tone. Check out the users "IronZephyr" and "Udo" there, they will remind you of (a) certain Fractal moderator, you know the one that literally is all-over-the-place.
 
Shark Diver":m6iv36es said:
I personally like how a 2290 or PCM colors my tone. I didn't find that in the Axe. It can be too perfect for fx. Just like when people buy equipment to make digital sound like that less than perfect audio. :lol: :LOL: Some flaws add to tone in a good way, so making everything perfect isn't always a good thing for some. Some may love that though. Depends on your application.


^^^^^^^^ +10,000
 
People keep talking like the standards and ultras don't work anymore. Saying they're obsolete. They aren't obsolete. They still do the same thing they did when you got it. There's just a newer model. That "supposedly" does something better. How many time have we heard that in the music equipment industry only to find out our "old" stuff works better. It's the chance you take when you buy anything. The difference is that you have a medium that you can express your displeasure. If you were going to complain about your "obsolete" Iphone/ipod because you bought one 3 weeks before they came out with a new one, you would be talking to a customer service rep instead of the owner of the company.

Schaf
 
donbarzini":38f2qw2s said:
I've heard this from men. I sold a SigX to a male once who picked it up from my house. We were talking and he said he had an Axe-Fx but he still preferred his Eclipse and G-Force for effects because they colored the tone with their unique voice compared to the hi-fi transparency of the Axe-Fx. He left the next morning. I never used the effects much when I had it, they sounded good but I was most interested in the modeling.
:lol: :LOL:
 
Schaf":2ptd8d4l said:
People keep talking like the standards and ultras don't work anymore. Saying they're obsolete.
Obsolete doesn't mean doesn't work anymore....just obsolete.

These still work....

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old-vcr.jpg


old-computer.jpg


but would you show them to you friends?
 
jasonmwnf":1cl1ufu3 said:
Sooooo... you were upset that Fractal Audio released a surprise axe-fx II, went against your "business ethics", but you had no probs scooting to a new time zone and unloading your old axe before they knew about the announcement? Did i read that right?? :confused:
Exactly what I was thinking.
 
sinfish":1katwzn7 said:
Marshall Law":1katwzn7 said:
who actually read this :D :lol: :LOL:

I think the long and the short of it is.

I got fucked
I fucked someone else
I am pissed
I am not pissed
I am sorry for getting mad at the FA and I feel sorry for them.
I am not as fucked as I started off to be.
I am ready to do it again
LOL
 
IHateRap":18vij7mk said:
jasonmwnf":18vij7mk said:
Sooooo... you were upset that Fractal Audio released a surprise axe-fx II, went against your "business ethics", but you had no probs scooting to a new time zone and unloading your old axe before they knew about the announcement? Did i read that right?? :confused:
Exactly what I was thinking.
Lets put it this way, the release information was global - worldwide - AND simultaneous. Everyone who gave a shit had access to the same information at the same time. Just because I acted quickly in trying to move my product ahead of the rest of the herd doesn't make me unethical, it meant I scurried fast. There's a huge new market that's opened up now for affordable Standards and Ultras, I managed to sell mine fast.

If you're trying to make a parallel between my actions and the 'unethical and non-transparent' actions of FAS, you can't. FAS withheld information then launched - boom - without warning and then stating that the Standards and Ultras will no longer be available. That's a LOT of information to get in 1 second. I. OTOH, listed my product on eBay internationally, and it just so happened to sell to someone overseas. Whoever bought it, had all the access to the information they wanted to about the launch, it was no mystery to anyone who was following the feeds.

Just sayin',
V.

PS - and again, this ain't about me defending my position, it's about me pulling back on some bad blood that seemingly was directed at Cliff & Co. when in fact, it had nothing to do with him; or the Axe-II. Period. It's done, over, finito, finished, fin... Let's talk about cool shit, shall we??
 
All the anger is exactly what you'd expect when you ONLY worry about buying something for resale value. It was great that the Ultra and Standard have managed to hold their value so well (routinely selling for only a $1-200 loss, sometimes even at a gain if timed right or sold overseas) and honestly almost shocking that it lasted for 5 years now, but that shouldn't be your main focus when buying something like the Axe-Fx. If you bought it to play through or record with, it STILL does exactly what it did the day before Cliff released the Axe-Fx II. A lot of the guys threatening lawsuits or even trying to get a chargeback pushed through are retarded, you guys sound like speculators and the market didn't work favorably for you. Lots of other guitars and amps can suddenly drop in resale value, or better yet have worse resale right off the bat, but the original Standard and Ultra model had a good run. Sucks that you got in on the tail end of things, but throwing a hissy-fit on every damn forum you can find is just childish and you come off looking like a fucking crybaby. :lol: :LOL:

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Ah well, those of you with severe cases of buyer's remorse can continue to flame on! :thumbsup:
 
Rogue":1wid4mt3 said:
Schaf":1wid4mt3 said:
People keep talking like the standards and ultras don't work anymore. Saying they're obsolete.
Obsolete doesn't mean doesn't work anymore....just obsolete.

These still work....

old-cell-phones-get-cingular-fee.jpg


old-vcr.jpg


old-computer.jpg


but would you show them to you friends?

:lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL:
 
Ventura":3hwfqggg said:
IHateRap":3hwfqggg said:
jasonmwnf":3hwfqggg said:
Sooooo... you were upset that Fractal Audio released a surprise axe-fx II, went against your "business ethics", but you had no probs scooting to a new time zone and unloading your old axe before they knew about the announcement? Did i read that right?? :confused:
Exactly what I was thinking.
Lets put it this way, the release information was global - worldwide - AND simultaneous. Everyone who gave a shit had access to the same information at the same time. Just because I acted quickly in trying to move my product ahead of the rest of the herd doesn't make me unethical, it meant I scurried fast. There's a huge new market that's opened up now for affordable Standards and Ultras, I managed to sell mine fast.

If you're trying to make a parallel between my actions and the 'unethical and non-transparent' actions of FAS, you can't. FAS withheld information then launched - boom - without warning and then stating that the Standards and Ultras will no longer be available. That's a LOT of information to get in 1 second. I. OTOH, listed my product on eBay internationally, and it just so happened to sell to someone overseas. Whoever bought it, had all the access to the information they wanted to about the launch, it was no mystery to anyone who was following the feeds.

Just sayin',
V.

PS - and again, this ain't about me defending my position, it's about me pulling back on some bad blood that seemingly was directed at Cliff & Co. when in fact, it had nothing to do with him; or the Axe-II. Period. It's done, over, finito, finished, fin... Let's talk about cool shit, shall we??

Believe it or not but I think you did the same thing. Did you clearly state in your sale that there is a new AXE-II coming out and thats the reason why you are selling it before other people catch on? The information might have been out there, but not everyone is probably aware that a Axe-II was coming out. So you pretty much withheld information from the buyer who in the end got fucked buying it, BUT if he clearly knew what he was getting then I retract my opinion of you as a hypocrite :)
 
kurtsstuff":5ep6jo7k said:
moltenmetalburn":5ep6jo7k said:
kurtsstuff":5ep6jo7k said:
I got to try an Axe-Fx and really don't get it?? Much prefer my antiquated JMP-1 and Alesis quadraverb but...Thats probably why I don't get it??? :D

Well duh,lol its those of us who love it that are complaining! :lol: :LOL:

What are you doing reading this, go play your jmp and smile! :rock:

Well..it's like when you come across a car wreck...You don't wanna look but....ya just gotta!!! :lol: :LOL:

Bloody fractals everywhere! :lol: :LOL:
 
I'll just stick with my 1986 Gorilla, I'm always fearful of buying a product at the tail end....I'm still burned up by the turbo Gorilla
 
cyndicate":2xkkc8r8 said:
Ventura":2xkkc8r8 said:
IHateRap":2xkkc8r8 said:
jasonmwnf":2xkkc8r8 said:
Sooooo... you were upset that Fractal Audio released a surprise axe-fx II, went against your "business ethics", but you had no probs scooting to a new time zone and unloading your old axe before they knew about the announcement? Did i read that right?? :confused:
Exactly what I was thinking.
Lets put it this way, the release information was global - worldwide - AND simultaneous. Everyone who gave a shit had access to the same information at the same time. Just because I acted quickly in trying to move my product ahead of the rest of the herd doesn't make me unethical, it meant I scurried fast. There's a huge new market that's opened up now for affordable Standards and Ultras, I managed to sell mine fast.

If you're trying to make a parallel between my actions and the 'unethical and non-transparent' actions of FAS, you can't. FAS withheld information then launched - boom - without warning and then stating that the Standards and Ultras will no longer be available. That's a LOT of information to get in 1 second. I. OTOH, listed my product on eBay internationally, and it just so happened to sell to someone overseas. Whoever bought it, had all the access to the information they wanted to about the launch, it was no mystery to anyone who was following the feeds.

Just sayin',
V.

PS - and again, this ain't about me defending my position, it's about me pulling back on some bad blood that seemingly was directed at Cliff & Co. when in fact, it had nothing to do with him; or the Axe-II. Period. It's done, over, finito, finished, fin... Let's talk about cool shit, shall we??

Believe it or not but I think you did the same thing. Did you clearly state in your sale that there is a new AXE-II coming out and thats the reason why you are selling it before other people catch on? The information might have been out there, but not everyone is probably aware that a Axe-II was coming out. So you pretty much withheld information from the buyer who in the end got fucked buying it, BUT if he clearly knew what he was getting then I retract my opinion of you as a hypocrite :)
If knowledge is publicized and available, that's not withholding. I did an OBO listing, got a couple bites, and took the best one. That's it that's all. Whenever I buy something of substantial cost, I do my due diligence, it is not my responsibility to do that for someone else. Furthermore, the confirmation I received was that the Ultras were about $500 more wherever this individual was trying to buy one, so it all, effectively, worked out. I've spoken to this consumer since - and all is well, 100% satisfied, stoked.

There ya have it, my conscience is clear.

V.
 
Ventura":249e99d7 said:
IHateRap":249e99d7 said:
jasonmwnf":249e99d7 said:
Sooooo... you were upset that Fractal Audio released a surprise axe-fx II, went against your "business ethics", but you had no probs scooting to a new time zone and unloading your old axe before they knew about the announcement? Did i read that right?? :confused:
Exactly what I was thinking.
Lets put it this way, the release information was global - worldwide - AND simultaneous. Everyone who gave a shit had access to the same information at the same time. Just because I acted quickly in trying to move my product ahead of the rest of the herd doesn't make me unethical, it meant I scurried fast. There's a huge new market that's opened up now for affordable Standards and Ultras, I managed to sell mine fast.

If you're trying to make a parallel between my actions and the 'unethical and non-transparent' actions of FAS, you can't. FAS withheld information then launched - boom - without warning and then stating that the Standards and Ultras will no longer be available. That's a LOT of information to get in 1 second. I. OTOH, listed my product on eBay internationally, and it just so happened to sell to someone overseas. Whoever bought it, had all the access to the information they wanted to about the launch, it was no mystery to anyone who was following the feeds.

Just sayin',
V.

PS - and again, this ain't about me defending my position, it's about me pulling back on some bad blood that seemingly was directed at Cliff & Co. when in fact, it had nothing to do with him; or the Axe-II. Period. It's done, over, finito, finished, fin... Let's talk about cool shit, shall we??

There is a difference, but I have a feeling that the Ozzie may feel a tad ripped off none the less.
You did it to cut your losses, fair enough. But so did Fractal IMO.
 
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