The IIC+reissue goes live Dec. 3rd. $3599

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EXPcustom said:
Long heads sound superior to any other chassis, yeah I said it, fight me!

In all seriousness they do, layout makes all the difference in audio design, long head allows for proper spacing that improves the tone. EXP knows tone unlike that TAG guy.
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Glad to oblige. As usual, you're mostly full of shit. From personal experience, I've played 2 Mark 2C+'s (a short and long chassis). The short was better in regard to immediacy, definition, articulation, responsiveness, etc. The same can be said of a Mesa Racktifier and whatever revision the corresponding full chassis Recto is. There is something to be said about component spacing, true, but I trust Mesa would take that into account when redesigning for shorter combo and rack enclosures. There is also something to be said for the shorter internal wiring lengths that a short chassis provides.

The only reason you're championing the superiority of the long chassis is you're just parroting something MC told you because it's easier to mount laptop power supplies inside the larger chassis. Or hide drugs.
 
thegame said:
Glad to oblige. As usual, you're mostly full of shit. From personal experience, I've played 2 Mark 2C+'s (a short and long chassis). The short was better in regard to immediacy, definition, articulation, responsiveness, etc. The same can be said of a Mesa Racktifier and whatever revision the corresponding full chassis Recto is. There is something to be said about component spacing, true, but I trust Mesa would take that into account when redesigning for shorter combo and rack enclosures. There is also something to be said for the shorter internal wiring lengths that a short chassis provides.

The only reason you're championing the superiority of the long chassis is you're just parroting something MC told you because it's easier to mount laptop power supplies inside the larger chassis. Or hide drugs.
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Were the iic+’s you tried the same specs besides head size, like both simul or both non-simul pentode, etc? I’ve tried 6 different’s iic+’s, but all were short, so I don’t know what long heads are like in comparison. The differences you describe sound similar to the differences IME of simul vs non-simul marks
 
braintheory said:
Were the iic+’s you tried the same specs besides head size, like both simul or both non-simul pentode, etc? I’ve tried 6 different’s iic+’s, but all were short, so I don’t know what long heads are like in comparison. The differences you describe sound similar to the differences IME of simul vs non-simul marks
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TBH it was slightly over 20 years ago when I compared the C+'s and Rectos. I knew nothing of DRG, HRG, etc variations at the time. Both were 4 output tube models though. The long/short head differences corresponded the same way between the Marks and Rectos. And I can say the same thing applies regarding various Dinos vs. my totally rebuilt Dino in a larger JCM800 chassis amp as well.
 
thegame said:
TBH it was slightly over 20 years ago when I compared the C+'s and Rectos. I knew nothing of DRG, HRG, etc variations at the time. Both were 4 output tube models though. The long/short head differences corresponded the same way between the Marks and Rectos. And I can say the same thing applies regarding various Dinos vs. my totally rebuilt Dino in a larger JCM800 chassis amp as well.
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The DRG and HRG versions IME sound and feel pretty different from each other (even with both being 4 6L6’s). I love both similarly well though. I haven’t had experience really trying the same models amps in different head shell/chassis sizes. It would be interesting to hear what the differences would be with that, if audible enough
 
It would be great if these sound like the OG Mark IIC+ amps. I'm going to hold off a bit and see what the reviews are like.

I'm sure we'll see a lot of places, including Rig-Talk, divided into two camps. Those that swear it sounds nothing like the older ones, and the indignant folk with the newer ones arguing that it doesn't matter cause they sound awesome.

In that regard, I'll wait for the dust to settle, not in any particular rush and I usually prefer to buy used due to my limited budget.

Heck, if they sound extremely good, we may even see prices for older used Mark IIC+s drop in the long run.

The best part about these new ones from my perspective though is that it should be easier to get one in 240V.
 
I know nothing of the EE science, however as a pragmatic point of interest I will say that of the 4 IVs, 9 IIIs and 8 IIC+ I've had, only the long heads were keepers in terms of the quality of the tone. I only still own long heads. Also, the only ones I regret selling were long heads, with the exception of one short 60w C+ that I do miss (a SR)..

Also, of the 14 Rectos I've had, the Rackto was by far the worst tonally.

Yes this is opinion & personal experience, and it's based off a pretty big sample set. I know it doesn't make much sense for the science crowd, but it's a thing.
 
nightlight said:
Heck, if they sound extremely good, we may even see prices for older used Mark IIC+s drop in the long run.
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I could be wrong, but I don't recall seeing this happen before. Marshall, Fender and Vox have 'reissued' all their classic amps, and the vintage market is still strong.

Extrapolate that out to Gibson, Fender, Martin etc. and the pattern is that no matter how good or popular the new stuff is, the old stuff is increasingly desirable.

It may drop off in a few decades as the generation that grew up with proper rock n' roll bands die, but then again I know a lot of young guys pretty keen on vintage gear.
 
ZEN Amps said:
I could be wrong, but I don't recall seeing this happen before. Marshall, Fender and Vox have 'reissued' all their classic amps, and the vintage market is still strong.

Extrapolate that out to Gibson, Fender, Martin etc. and the pattern is that no matter how good or popular the new stuff is, the old stuff is increasingly desirable.

It may drop off in a few decades as the generation that grew up with proper rock n' roll bands die, but then again I know a lot of young guys pretty keen on vintage gear.
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Sure, that may be entirely true, I agree. I'm sure there's some truth to Mesa's claim that they couldn't cop the old tones earlier due to components not being available.

Still, if one just considers the law of diminishing returns, I think a lot of guys would be happy to snag one of these for $3.6k and end their search for a vintage one, irrespective of how the old ones are extolled as sounding better.

I mean, the prices do look a bit ridiculous these days. There’s a Colosseum version on Reverb right now for $16k.

For that kind of money, I could get an ESP custom shop guitar, a Diezel VH4 with cab and some pedals and still have money left over. Or alternatively, a Musicman Majesty, plus a JP2C+ with a cabinet and still have about $6-8k in my pocket.

Please note, this is my own perspective from a state of permanent deprivation haha. I’m sure there is a market for old stuff, I do buy a lot of such gear myself.

Anyhow, if more people snag their “dream” Mark IIC+s, the size of the market will shrink and demand will fall.

Prices may stay up, but that’s another thing altogether.
 
nightlight said:
I mean, the prices do look a bit ridiculous these days. There’s a Colosseum version on Reverb right now for $16k.

For that kind of money, I could get an ESP custom shop guitar, a Diezel VH4 with cab and some pedals and still have money left over. Or alternatively, a Musicman Majesty, plus a JP2C+ with a cabinet and still have about $6-8k in my pocket.
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Once you experience a Mark II Coli through a full stack, price becomes irrelevant.
 
GJgo said:
That guy is at least $5K over market, maybe more, as it's trended down in the last year.
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I wish I knew back in 2014…

Collectors became monopolists on these and prices are really high. It’s is more than 2 average annual wages where I am from 🥲
 
CrystalSky said:
I wish I knew back in 2014…

Collectors became monopolists on these and prices are really high. It’s is more than 2 average annual wages where I am from 🥲
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Man before the pandemic I sold a C+ DRG and a Rev C Recto chrome chassis. If I'd just thrown them into a closest, now I could use them to put my kids through college.
 
cardinal said:
Man before the pandemic I sold a C+ DRG and a Rev C Recto chrome chassis. If I'd just thrown them into a closest, now I could use them to put my kids through college.
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DAAAAMN, I wouldn’t sell them at any cost man, not even for peak prices. What made you sell them? Literally had the most desired stuff at hand.
 
cardinal said:
Man before the pandemic I sold a C+ DRG and a Rev C Recto chrome chassis. If I'd just thrown them into a closest, now I could use them to put my kids through college.
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Also small tip, if kids are good at German, you basically can study for free in Germany’s best universities given you pass language test. And their degrees are accepted worldwide with good ratings.
 
CrystalSky said:
Also small tip, if kids are good at German, you basically can study for free in Germany’s best universities given you pass language test. And their degrees are accepted worldwide with good ratings.
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are the universities in Germany taken over by Marxists like the US? :p
 
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