The ultimate high gain head for my needs?

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What good is the comparison? You’re bitching about Bogner XTC prices are you not?

You complained and moaned they’re not worth your time to even purchase to try, then mention a list of amplifiers that are all still out of your budget and equally not worth your time or money to purchase to try.

You’re the only person I know that needs 5 pages of snobby comparison to come down to a fucking 5150 stealth for classic rock.

Get out of here with that shit.
 
glpg80 said:
What good is the comparison? You’re bitching about Bogner XTC prices. You bitch at us for mentioning it outside of your budget then mention a list of amplifiers that are still out of your budget.

You’re the only person I know that needs 5 pages of snobby comparison to come down to a fucking 5150 stealth for classic rock.

Get out of here with that shit.
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You're hallucinating.
Piss off
 
Christos rock said:
You're hallucinating.
Piss off
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Quote the other 10 people stating an XTC to piss off too. No need to play favoritism.

This whole topic is fish bait for an “ultimate amp topic”, where people including myself are only trying to help, recommend some of the most iconic amplifiers on the face of the planet, then you whine they’re not worth trying because of cost, which limits your choices to about 3 fucking models.

Hate to break it to you but anytime you mention Marshall JCM800 you’re going to spend money unless you build your own amp.

The 100W stealth is an amazing amplifier but not even close to JCM800 modern tones. The whole thread wreaks of hypocrisy.
 
glpg80 said:
Quote the other 10 people stating an XTC to piss off too. No need to play favoritism.

This whole topic is fish bait for an “ultimate amp topic”, where people including myself are only trying to help, recommend some of the most iconic amplifiers on the face of the planet, then you whine they’re not worth trying because of cost, which limits your choices to about 3 fucking models.

Hate to break it to you but anytime you mention Marshall JCM800 you’re going to spend money unless you build your own amp.

The 100W stealth is an amazing amplifier but not even close to JCM800 modern tones. The whole thread wreaks of hypocrisy.
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I shouldn't be doing this, because we're hijacking the whole thread but you're leaving me no choice.

First of, if you have any personal issues better see a psychiatrist. The sooner the better ??

You don't know what respect means, do you?
When you're referring to me, pathetic little words like bitching, moaned, whine etc do not apply. Keep them to describe yourself you little prick.
When I say something I mean it.
I'm not arguing about it. When I say a 4000/5000$ amp is expensive I mean it, I'm not waiting for the opposite opinion.

It seems to me that You're the one seeking for public attention and favoritism when You're referring to yourself as "us" instead of "me" trying to speak for everyone instead of yourself and writing all these delusional garbage in public, instead of sending me a pm, so that everyone can see you're captain moron.
Who put you in charge of RT forum? ?
If a thread reaches X pages, then that's the way it is. It's not predetermined. Should everyone who chime in ask for your permission first? The fuck is your problem?
A fellow member chimed in and mentioned the Rivera K-Tre. Also said he'll be writing his experience with it once he receives it. That's how it goes. Better send him a message not to do it because it bothers you that this thread is 6 pages long ?
Even if I'm done, someone else can easily carry on and use all the opinions/recommendations expressed here, for his/her own amp hunting. That's the way it usually works. It's not exactly my thread. It belongs to everyone actually.

If you really wanted to help you should write your opinion once, make your recommendation with a little explanation and that's it. Not trying to take over the whole thread with your stupid Exctasy obsession.
The criteria have changed a long time ago when I said I needed more than one amp for the job but you didn't get your eyes fixed so you missed it.

I leave in Europe. Some amps are better priced over here instead of the U.S and the opposite. Of course there are also the "boutique" amps that cost whatever they cost and that's pretty much universal.
So the good news is I don't need to buy a Freedman or Bogner over here if all I want from an amp is a modded JCM 800 sound.
I could have the real thing used for about a 1000$ stick an SD-1 in front and call it a day. But that's the last thing I want to do.

I advise you to send me a pm about further arguments (should you have any) or better yet, keep it to yourself and don't bother me again ?
 
I may have missed this being mentioned, and my apologies if I have, but imo, a Fryette Sig X will do what you want in spades.
You can take it even further with a boost pedal out front.
I know you mentioned not liking the stiffness of VHT(Fryette), but with the Resonance control dialed up and a delay and/or a 'verb pedal in the loop, the Sig X can be MUCH less stiff than some other VHT/Fryette varieties.
It's definitely not a very compressed or processed sounding amp but it can be dialed in that way, if you so choose.
Also, I should mention, that any amp can sound boxy when running through the wrong cab and the Sig is no exception here.
All that being said, the Sig will chug for days...with that "punch-you in-the-chest" tight ass low end.

The JVM's I've played (205H,210H, 410H) were all too processed sounding and fizzy to me on the higher gain settings, but they can be mod'ed to be less so.
I also tried out a Mesa TC-100 and it went back rather quickly. It had zero bottom end for those chest thumping chugs (unless you turned it up to ludicrous levels) and the loop was a finicky shit show.
For what you're after, I would highly advise against the TC.

You mentioned you live across the pond, so the Siggys may not be very obtainable over there (hell, they're rather unobtainable in the States as well) but if you can find one, it may just check all of your boxes.
Anyway, just something to add to your already "too may pages" of options! lol ?.

Good luck on your quest Brotha!



~Troy
 
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Twilt said:
I may have missed this being mentioned, and my apologies if I have, but imo, a Fryette Sig X will do what you want in spades.
You can take it even further with a boost pedal out front.
I know you mentioned not liking the stiffness of VHT(Fryette), but with the Resonance control dialed up and a delay and/or a 'verb pedal in the loop, the Sig X can be MUCH less stiff than some other VHT/Fryette varieties.
It's definitely not a very compressed or processed sounding amp but it can be dialed in that way, if you so choose.
Also, I should mention, that any amp can sound boxy when running through the wrong cab and the Sig is no exception here.
All that being said, the Sig will chug for days...with that "punch-you in-the-chest" tight ass low end.

The JVM's I've played (205H,210H, 410H) were all too processed sounding and fizzy to me on the higher gain settings, but they can be mod'ed to be less so.
I also tried out a Mesa TC-100 and it went back rather quickly. It had zero bottom end for those chest thumping chugs (unless you turned it up to ludicrous levels) and the loop was a finicky shit show.
For what you're after, I would highly advise against the TC.

You mentioned you live across the pond, so the Siggys may not be very obtainable over there (hell, they're rather unobtainable in the States as well) but if you can find one, it may just check all of your boxes.
Anyway, just something to add to your already "too may pages" of options! lol ?.

Good luck on your quest Brotha!



~Troy
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Great info on a head not highly available. Appreciate the insight on anything Fryette. How heavy can it go?!
 
jbru91 said:
Great info on a head not highly available. Appreciate the insight on anything Fryette. How heavy can it go?!
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Well, that depends on your definition of heavy.
My idea of "heavy", is CHUG! Like, i dont even need a bass player kinda chug...with a crisp top end....lol.
But all of that can also be dialed in to pretty much all points in between... sooo...it all depends:dunno:

As of late, I dont read much about Sigs.
Definitely reaching than unicorn kinda status, imo. Won't be letting mine go anytime soon.
I had 2 at one point but let one go...regrets.


~Troy
 
Twilt said:
I may have missed this being mentioned, and my apologies if I have, but imo, a Fryette Sig X will do what you want in spades.
You can take it even further with a boost pedal out front.
I know you mentioned not liking the stiffness of VHT(Fryette), but with the Resonance control dialed up and a delay and/or a 'verb pedal in the loop, the Sig X can be MUCH less stiff than some other VHT/Fryette varieties.
It's definitely not a very compressed or processed sounding amp but it can be dialed in that way, if you so choose.
Also, I should mention, that any amp can sound boxy when running through the wrong cab and the Sig is no exception here.
All that being said, the Sig will chug for days...with that "punch-you in-the-chest" tight ass low end.

The JVM's I've played (205H,210H, 410H) were all too processed sounding and fizzy to me on the higher gain settings, but they can be mod'ed to be less so.
I also tried out a Mesa TC-100 and it went back rather quickly. It had zero bottom end for those chest thumping chugs (unless you turned it up to ludicrous levels) and the loop was a finicky shit show.
For what you're after, I would highly advise against the TC.

You mentioned you live across the pond, so the Siggys may not be very obtainable over there (hell, they're rather unobtainable in the States as well) but if you can find one, it may just check all of your boxes.
Anyway, just something to add to your already "too may pages" of options! lol ?.

Good luck on your quest Brotha!



~Troy
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Thank you for your detailed review my friend.
Much appreciated ??
What cabinet did you find works best with the SigX ?
 
godgrinder said:
That's the best thing you could do actually.
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That's the good old modded jcm 800 sound.
I might get into that in the future, for that old time classic sound.
Right now I'm more interested in a modernized version of this, that's why I'm leaning towards the Mesa Badlander or the EVH stealth, where I could set up one channel for that and the other for the brutal distortion with an od pedal.
I might reconsider the SigX also.
We'll see ??
 
Christos rock said:
Right now I'm more interested in a modernized version of this, that's why I'm leaning towards the Mesa Badlander or the EVH stealth, where I could set up one channel for that and the other for the brutal distortion with an od pedal.
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They have nothing to do with Marshall apart from using EL34 though.
 
Twilt said:
I may have missed this being mentioned, and my apologies if I have, but imo, a Fryette Sig X will do what you want in spades.
You can take it even further with a boost pedal out front.
I know you mentioned not liking the stiffness of VHT(Fryette), but with the Resonance control dialed up and a delay and/or a 'verb pedal in the loop, the Sig X can be MUCH less stiff than some other VHT/Fryette varieties.
It's definitely not a very compressed or processed sounding amp but it can be dialed in that way, if you so choose.
Also, I should mention, that any amp can sound boxy when running through the wrong cab and the Sig is no exception here.
All that being said, the Sig will chug for days...with that "punch-you in-the-chest" tight ass low end.

The JVM's I've played (205H,210H, 410H) were all too processed sounding and fizzy to me on the higher gain settings, but they can be mod'ed to be less so.
I also tried out a Mesa TC-100 and it went back rather quickly. It had zero bottom end for those chest thumping chugs (unless you turned it up to ludicrous levels) and the loop was a finicky shit show.
For what you're after, I would highly advise against the TC.

You mentioned you live across the pond, so the Siggys may not be very obtainable over there (hell, they're rather unobtainable in the States as well) but if you can find one, it may just check all of your boxes.
Anyway, just something to add to your already "too may pages" of options! lol ?.

Good luck on your quest Brotha!



~Troy
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While I agree that the Sig:X can be dialed a lot less stiff than say, a Pittbull, compared to 5150's, most Engls, Mesa Marks, Diezels, etc. it's still very much on the more dynamic, dryer and stiffer side of things.

To me, the lead channel missed a certain chewy juiciness, the clean channel had this subtle hiss that you couldn't dial out, but the rhythm channel could sometimes out-Marshall a lot of Marshalls. It was really sensitive to cabs and using it in conjunction with a Two Notes Torpedo Live showed me the dry stiff side again, making it very hard to record with.
Functionality wise it was pretty much the amp for me; 3 channels, lead boosts per channel, footswitchable fx-loop... but for more euro-oriented (death) metal, I'd prefer a Mesa Mark, 5150 or an Engl Savage.

A nice feature that the Sig:X had was the return level of the fx-loop, that could go above and below unity gain. So you could run the power amp a lot harder, but then using the fx-loop return level as a sort of power soak/volume drop. And likewise, run it slightly above unity gain, just put a delay in the loop and boom, footswitchable solo-boost with delay that's louder.
 
EVH 5150iii EL34
Ceriatone King Kong or Leviathan
Friedman BE Deluxe
KSR Juno

Any of those should cover that high gain British sound just fine
 
Achilles said:
That's the good old modded jcm 800 sound.
I might get into that in the future, for that old time classic sound.
Right now I'm more interested in a modernized version of this, that's why I'm leaning towards the Mesa Badlander or the EVH stealth, where I could set up one channel for that and the other for the brutal distortion with an od pedal.
I might reconsider the SigX also.
We'll see ??
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Hi man, I promised you back in 2022 to share my personal thoughts about the Rivera k-tré 120. It took too long due to some logistic issues, shipping the amp took a longer time than estimated, then I had a massive career change which made me neglect playing and rehearsing...add to that my will to go past the honey moon phase for a proper feedback.
The k-tré is a keeper, it's a mixture of paradoxal contradictory things such as tight and loose, dirty and clean, brutal and smooth. I love me some fender cleans that do not break up, cleans that do not break up at high volumes and inspire you to play Sanitarium, Call of ktulu, A tout le monde, Seasons in the abyss...and a high gain that is bold, fat, meaty and with lowend yet ut remains articulate. The high gain section delivers Chaos AD tone in spades while the low input will inspire you to play some Rolling Stones and Ac/Dc. It's a mixture of warmth and metallic tones, by metallic I mean it brings a krang and klang reminiscent of a steel factory...hard to put it into words. BUT, if you do not turn it up while you keep the bass down you will certainly try to put it in the classifieds as soon as possible. Your fx loop is your ultimate friend, use it as a power attenuator and it gets you there for home playing by day, but turn it up in a loud stage and enjoy the Aaah and Oooh of the audience and the gigging friends. The k-tré loves active humbuckers, although I was using passive Gibson Dirtyfingers+, it's built like a f#@!*g panzer, tough yet refined and oozing premium quality. Feel free to ask any questions. Cheers from Morocco.
 
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get an Iridium or something the likes of that and run it through your return on the boogie as a preamp??
you like the Boogies...
 
glpg80 said:
Quote the other 10 people stating an XTC to piss off too. No need to play favoritism.

This whole topic is fish bait for an “ultimate amp topic”, where people including myself are only trying to help, recommend some of the most iconic amplifiers on the face of the planet, then you whine they’re not worth trying because of cost, which limits your choices to about 3 fucking models.

Hate to break it to you but anytime you mention Marshall JCM800 you’re going to spend money unless you build your own amp.

The 100W stealth is an amazing amplifier but not even close to JCM800 modern tones. The whole thread wreaks of hypocrisy.
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"JCM800" and "modern" don't belong in the same sentence.
 
Twilt said:
I may have missed this being mentioned, and my apologies if I have, but imo, a Fryette Sig X will do what you want in spades.
You can take it even further with a boost pedal out front.
I know you mentioned not liking the stiffness of VHT(Fryette), but with the Resonance control dialed up and a delay and/or a 'verb pedal in the loop, the Sig X can be MUCH less stiff than some other VHT/Fryette varieties.
It's definitely not a very compressed or processed sounding amp but it can be dialed in that way, if you so choose.
Also, I should mention, that any amp can sound boxy when running through the wrong cab and the Sig is no exception here.
All that being said, the Sig will chug for days...with that "punch-you in-the-chest" tight ass low end.

The JVM's I've played (205H,210H, 410H) were all too processed sounding and fizzy to me on the higher gain settings, but they can be mod'ed to be less so.
I also tried out a Mesa TC-100 and it went back rather quickly. It had zero bottom end for those chest thumping chugs (unless you turned it up to ludicrous levels) and the loop was a finicky shit show.
For what you're after, I would highly advise against the TC.

You mentioned you live across the pond, so the Siggys may not be very obtainable over there (hell, they're rather unobtainable in the States as well) but if you can find one, it may just check all of your boxes.
Anyway, just something to add to your already "too may pages" of options! lol ?.

Good luck on your quest Brotha!



~Troy
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What exactly is turning up the bass to ludicrous levels? like what does that mean? Most amps have a dial that goes from 0 - 10 right. Is there actually a point where it becomes ludicrous....? what? 7, 8 maybe 9? I'll have to avoid this ludicrous setting on my amp, wouldn't want that. I turn my treble to 8 sometimes, is that ludicrous?
 
Twilt said:
I may have missed this being mentioned, and my apologies if I have, but imo, a Fryette Sig X will do what you want in spades.
You can take it even further with a boost pedal out front.
I know you mentioned not liking the stiffness of VHT(Fryette), but with the Resonance control dialed up and a delay and/or a 'verb pedal in the loop, the Sig X can be MUCH less stiff than some other VHT/Fryette varieties.
It's definitely not a very compressed or processed sounding amp but it can be dialed in that way, if you so choose.
Also, I should mention, that any amp can sound boxy when running through the wrong cab and the Sig is no exception here.
All that being said, the Sig will chug for days...with that "punch-you in-the-chest" tight ass low end.

The JVM's I've played (205H,210H, 410H) were all too processed sounding and fizzy to me on the higher gain settings, but they can be mod'ed to be less so.
I also tried out a Mesa TC-100 and it went back rather quickly. It had zero bottom end for those chest thumping chugs (unless you turned it up to ludicrous levels) and the loop was a finicky shit show.
For what you're after, I would highly advise against the TC.

You mentioned you live across the pond, so the Siggys may not be very obtainable over there (hell, they're rather unobtainable in the States as well) but if you can find one, it may just check all of your boxes.
Anyway, just something to add to your already "too may pages" of options! lol ?.

Good luck on your quest Brotha!



~Troy
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What exactly is turning up the bass to ludicrous levels? like what does that mean? Most amps have a dial that goes from 0 - 10 right. Is there actually a point where it becomes ludicrous....? what? 7, 8 maybe 9? I'll have to avoid this ludicrous setting on my amp, wouldn't want that. I turn my treble to 8 sometimes, is that ludicrous?
 
anomaly said:
"JCM800" and "modern" don't belong in the same sentence.
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Almost every high gain amplifier known to existence for guitar use is based off of fenders. The evolution of a circuit is what I’m referring to as modernization. By the definition of everyone’s amplifier collections on this forum, they most certainly do belong in the same sentence because a JCM800 in stock form is just a modernized fender bassman.
 
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