The weak administration strikes again. Isreal and Hamas going at it

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It's weird bro, you're laughing at evidence that Netanyahu intentionally propped up Hamas, the group that allegedly committed the crimes which you say justify the horror scenes I posted. @rsm
 
denialist said:
It's weird bro, you're laughing at evidence that Netanyahu intentionally propped up Hamas, the group that allegedly committed the crimes which you say justify the horror scenes I posted. @rsm
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because none of that matters. how does it change the current situation? it doesn't.

Hitler created Volkswagen and built the autobahn. does that matter?
 
rsm said:
because none of that matters. how does it change the current situation? it doesn't.
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Your argument as I understand is that the innocent civilians voted for Hamas, so they are guilty. That was Osama Bin Laden's argument as well btw. I'm pointing out that Netanyahu "Voted" for Hamas too, and the the Israelis elected him, so how's that any different?
 
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denialist said:
Your argument as I understand is that the innocent civilians voted for Hamas, so they are guilty. That was Osama Bin Laden's argument as well btw. I'm pointing out that Netanyahu "Voted" for Hamas too, and the the Israelis elected him, so how's that any different?
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he who creates a thing can also destroy a thing.

and yes, the people of Gaza put Hamas in power, kept Hamas in power, and support Hamas. Nothing innocent about that.

Civilians of a country are not innocent - they represent their government and country whether they agree with their government or not; they're just unarmed. How many civilians were killed in WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen? How many of citizens became partisans? It's just a cost of war.

War is meant to be horrible; and a last resort; the fallacy of modern warfare is idea of protecting "innocent" (unarmed, non-combatant) lives which fails; especially if used as human shields (e.g., Hamas).

My view of war is based on war throughout the world and history; the most effective wars were often the most brutal. In a first war with an opponent the Romans were often lenient if the defeated power submitted; if they rose up against Rome they were often dealt with more severely - the Roman province of Judea (the land of the Jews) was a perfect example; remember it was Rome that destroyed the last Jewish temple, and who were responsible for the diaspora of the Jews throughout the Empire. The people of Judea were lucky they were not seen as an existential threat to Rome (like Carthage).


edit: some wars are existential, some are not. those that are existential will be more destructive.
 
rsm said:
he who creates a thing can also destroy a thing.
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This makes no logical or moral sense. Can you elaborate?
rsm said:
Civilians of a country are not innocent
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Of course they are. If Biden picks a fight and starts a war with Russia for example, I shouldn't be nuked. I didn't vote for him.
rsm said:
the fallacy of modern warfare is idea of protecting "innocent" (unarmed, non-combatant) lives
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I disagree 100%, but okay, then don't complain when Hamas does it.
rsm said:
the most effective wars were often the most brutal.
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Not sure what you mean by effective. You know what happened to the Roman empire.
 
denialist said:
This makes no logical or moral sense. Can you elaborate?
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Read your prior post about creating Hamas.
denialist said:
Of course they are. If Biden picks a fight and starts a war with Russia for example, I shouldn't be nuked. I didn't vote for him.
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if war is declared, everyone in the country is the enemy unless proven otherwise.
denialist said:
I disagree 100%, but okay, then don't complain when Hamas does it.
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Hamas targeted unarmed civilians; they were not collateral damage. That's the key difference. It wasn't like Hamas attacked an Israeli military base and killed civilians. Israel attacks Hamas who happen to be using residential apartments, schools, hospitals full of unarmed civilians to hide. Big difference
denialist said:
Not sure what you mean by effective. You know what happened to the Roman empire.
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All empires rise and fall; the Romans destroyed a number of civilizations before their own demise. None of those civilizations they destroyed ever became a threat to them; it was their failure to destroy several Germanic tribes that was a contributor to their eventual fall.
 
rsm said:
Read your prior post about creating Hamas.
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That's not elaborating. i know what I wrote.
rsm said:
if war is declared, everyone in the country is the enemy unless proven otherwise.
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Okay, Hamas declared a war. Can't have it both ways bro.
rsm said:
Israel attacks Hamas who happen to be using residential apartments, schools, hospitals full of unarmed civilians to hide. Big difference
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Says Israel.
 
rsm said:
Hamas targeted unarmed civilians; they were not collateral damage. That's the key difference. It wasn't like Hamas attacked an Israeli military base and killed civilians. Israel attacks Hamas who happen to be using residential apartments, schools, hospitals full of unarmed civilians to hide. Big difference.
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Perfectly stated.
 
rsm said:
Well, you're smart guy you figure it out.
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Still not an answer. I can't make sense of your argument or I wouldn't be asking.
rsm said:
Yes, and Israel is responding. That's how wars work.
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You're free to believe whatever war propaganda you want, but you're being played. Israel still hasn't released a breakdown of civ/mil deaths, nor how many we're killed by friendly fire. Look up the so-called Hannibal directive. They also somehow reduced the number from 1400 to 1200. How can they be off by 200 bodies?

https://new.thecradle.co/articles/i...ed-own-soldiers-civilians-on-7-october-report

If you're against the civilian deaths, you should be a against what israel is doing. If you think they are justified, you can't complain about Hamas.
 
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You're a childish contrarian, you know that? This may come as a shock to you, but there's footage of the Oct 7th attack.
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Evidence that they’re using hospitals, mosques and schools as command centers.
 
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denialist said:
Still not an answer. I can't make sense of your argument or I wouldn't be asking.
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Someone created Hamas, now they are destroying Hamas. Some things outlive their purpose or necessity, so they're "retired".
denialist said:
You're free to believe whatever war propaganda you want, but you're being played. Israel still hasn't released a breakdown of civ/mil deaths, nor how many we're killed by friendly fire. Look up the so-called Hannibal directive. They also somehow reduced the number from 1400 to 1200. How can they be off by 200 bodies?
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It's called war. Things happen. Only thing that matters in war is the result.
denialist said:
https://new.thecradle.co/articles/i...ed-own-soldiers-civilians-on-7-october-report

If you're against the civilian deaths, you should be a against what israel is doing. If you think they are justified, you can't complain about Hamas.
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Doesn't matter what I'm for or against once war begins. Once war begins, only victory matters.

What's the point of fighting a war if you don't intend to be victorious?
 
denialist said:
Where's the evidence? Hamas is deep underground.
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Keep looking, you'll find it. Dig deeper.

Maybe you could try looking somewhere else for a change, instead of your usual sources:

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