This whole thing sucks!

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danyeo":249qtbj1 said:
jerrydyer":249qtbj1 said:
What most people are missing is this, If this Barrang deal goes, amps will be produced. Just give it a chance to go. Stop shitting on it. The people who have money in arent even here shitting on it they know that if a legit production co gets going on it amps will come out. Chill, sheeesh ... I wanted to invest in this myself but I just didnt have what it will take to get barrang rockin. They build for some well known compnaies.


I've been hearing those statements for YEARS now . "Amps will be produced" Just give it a chance" I'm just glad i never sent a dime.

You will NEVER here me say amps will be produced unless I am 100% sure they are being produced and will ship in the stated lead time of 4-6 weeks from ordering. I wont put my name to it if it isn't 100% for real. I promise you guys that! :rock:
 
:checkthisout:

Snider has a legit beef and his buddy should get his amp back...period.
 
AmpliFIRE":2p19ov2e said:
:checkthisout:

Snider has a legit beef and his buddy should get his amp back...period.

I agree 100%. No Apologies here for Mark. I am doing all I can here to help the people I can.
 
psychodave":10ikwb8y said:
Of course he hasn't. He is just trying to be an activist. :confused: His life must suck considering that he is bitching about one small amp guy. Imagine all of the other more important injustices in the world that he must be involved in. After all, he would be a big loser if Cameron is his only point of activism :lol: :LOL:

"As Dave ever so gingerly inserts Mark's cock down his throat... :lol: :LOL:


ed84246":10ikwb8y said:
So...just curious - have you ever put money down for a CCV and gotten burned? or ever spoke to Mark Cameron or Brad?

echodrive":10ikwb8y said:
snider":10ikwb8y said:
So all the guys amps who Mark is holding hostage or amps he sold off altogether instead of delivering to the customers who have been waiting are just flushed by the wayside and Mark is once again given a pass?

Let's see, he goops the circuits he stole from someone else making the broken modded Marshalls and others impossible to fix without major crap; he keeps the amps and money from those that wanted his amps or his mods; he lies to most all of the customers; for years in some cases, keeps money from more trusting guitarists who actually believe the BS he spews; prances around on James Lugo's video as a valued participant as opposed to working on delivering the amps (Marshall mods) he took money for years ago and failed to produce; takes advantage of victim after victim including investors dating back to 2000 and here we go again with someone willing to help this con man thief who has taken down every participant prior to Brad.

He should be in jail getting to know what it's like to take it in the ass every day just as many of his customers have on a daily basis. MARK if you are reading this, send Ron his amp back you fucking asshole!

I have met a ton of shitty people in my life but Mark Cameron would be near the top of that list. He does not deserve any help. He has had way too many chances.

I think you're being too kind to Mark Cameron. I could smell his fucking scam from day 1! The real entertainment here is reading the posts in defense of this guy. Don't try to understand it either... As long as these idiots think they will in some way benefit - they will continue to do it. Some are just Obama voters... :lol: :LOL: Just kidding...

IMO, Brad should reconsider his involvement with the name Cameron Amplification. If he can purchase the company, and can re-brand the circuit designs as say "Brad Amplification" - then by all means do so. Why anyone would want to give Mark "Bernie Madoff" Cameron any positive publicity makes no sense whatsoever? Sure, I understand that there's a profit to be made here; and being the (non-Calif resident) capitalist that I am - I say do it! If Brad is going to put his hard-earned $ into this - why give any props to MC? If the agreement means that Brad MUST use the Cameron name - then I say forget it!

To Brad,

Don't risk your personal assets to "bail-out" this failed institution... Let this "bull" collapse! If you think you can "resurrect" the name, then the best of luck to you... :salute:
 
A pedophile? Really?? Look I admit the situation sucks and people have a right to be frustrated, but do you really need to go that far? Comparing someone having 3 grand tied up who might actually end up getting an amp and a child who's been molested is just a little out of whack, isn't it? Why don't you just say he's the equivalent of a serial killer, Hitler and Bin Laden all wrapped up into one? The combination of those people's victim's grief is surely less than someone who ordered an amp from Cameron, right?

snider":2olvbtnj said:
King Guitar":2olvbtnj said:
AmpliFIRE":2olvbtnj said:
:checkthisout:

Snider has a legit beef and his buddy should get his amp back...period.

I agree 100%. No Apologies here for Mark. I am doing all I can here to help the people I can.


I certainly appreciate the fact that you are helping people and I know for sure you are a good guy. Helping Mark who is almost the equivalent of a pedophile is wrong. Nobody should help this guy. The only help he should get is from being in jail for a few years. In my opinion Brad, you have nothing to gain but much to lose by this association. Seek out the guys from Standel and bring up Mark. The mere association is bad for you.

You have great lines already in Diezel, Bogner, Friedman etc., there is no reason to go down the road with the biggest POS , most corrupt amp builder that ever lived. His amps are good but not that great when compared to similar products. I suggest you and Dave and Rob move on and don't tie this boat anchor to your good name and successful biz.
 
I've been hearing those statements for YEARS now . "Amps will be produced" Just give it a chance" I'm just glad i never sent a dime.


Well the person or people who have been making these statements are out of the picture for good. Its a whole new ball game now. We are not a team of inexperienced guys. Dave and I already own and operate a very successful amp company. And Brad has been involved in the gear business for years. I would like to think our reputations and business practices are respected. Things are coming together very smoothly. Im very optimistic :rock:
 
Tone Merchant":3rh3d67a said:
I've been hearing those statements for YEARS now . "Amps will be produced" Just give it a chance" I'm just glad i never sent a dime.


Well the person or people who have been making these statements are out of the picture for good. Its a whole new ball game now. We are not a team of inexperienced guys. Dave and I already own and operate a very successful amp company. And Brad has been involved in the gear business for years. I would like to think our reputations and business practices are respected. Things are coming together very smoothly. Im very optimistic :rock:


+1 :thumbsup:
 
Brad's trying to do a great thing here guys. No, I don't have a dog in this fight, but let's just let this thing get off the ground and see what happens before we shit all over it!
 
If Mark gives an amp blueprint to Friedman and Friedman and his company/ies with Tone Merchants build the amps, I'd have less hesitation about putting a deposit down. But I would not feel good about having a penny go to Mr Cameron who has scathed so many persons. If it was Mark alone I'd would be a toss-up between sending money to him or Madoff.

However, I'd feel most confident and feel morallly better buying a Marsha or stock amp from Soldano, Bogner, etc.

M .01 not even worth .02
 
Maybe Mark will log in and say something about the new partnership going forward. Or did you guys cut off his access, or his fingers? :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL:

To say some people are skeptical, is an understatement. And, those same folks are probably a little surprised at this trio of players who spawned the new business. Many people here, myself included, have established relationships at the dealer/customer level with you guys that are based on like, trust and the fact that you can always go out of your way give us a better deal, short term or in the long run. Some of those same people who have been fucked over by Mark like a house cat, see this as a kick in the balls of good guys vs. bad guys. Then, there are some who just want to have a shot at the elusive CCV, at any cost and you are giving them the opportunity to do that. Observers will fall into one of the two. And, some are just bored and love the drama. Its human nature. If Mark doesn't wake up every morning with just a small twinge of guilt about the people he has fucked over in his lifetime, then he's not the sharpest tool in the shed, or his DNA pool is absent a few genes - the one's that enable even the weak to determine the difference between right and wrong.

This is certainly a different business model than the past Cameron businesses and with some checks and balances built in and a good medical care plan, it may work. Keep an eye out for things going out the back door at the house or Barrang. Mark shouldn't have access to any suppliers, accounts, purchase orders, shipping accounts, etc. His uncontrolled cleptomanial tendencies with former employers, such as Bogner, are public knowledge. Hiring a large accountant/observer named Boris, who wears a cheap suit, yesterday's spaghetti, a Mr. T starter kit, and bad cologne would work wonders in ensuring that things add up properly.

I've been there, bought the t-shirt, sold the t-shirt. It wasn't worth the drama, but that's just me. I renamed it the Cameron Tampax (only good for one time). Even though its not part of the new business model, I do hope the outstanding orders can be filled by some motivational means (enter Boris) as I doubt a contract with Mark is worth the paper it is written on, but applied pressure (Boris again), a phone tap and CCTV is. Some of us here, who don't have a dog in the hunt at present will continue to observe and to see if/when any of the outstanding amps are delivered and have a vested interest in looking out for our mates. I've earned my seat at the table already. It is someone's hard-earned money that was taken under false pretenses and that pisses me off, as it does others.

Also for disclosure, I have maintained my business relations with Tone Merchants and won't let this get in the way. I needed something last week and Rob went way out of his way to make it happen, and I am talking way out of the way. Probably, I will support him in his run for the Calexico gubernatorial race :D .

But, in the end, the CCV is just a fucking amp :confused: and not much different than scores of other high gainers on the market. Good luck guys....and FWIW, its just my 2 cents and that is all it is worth! That and $3 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

Gone to pack some stuff for shipment and figure out Pro Tools.

Steve


Steve
 
Bottom line is this:

1. Has anyone ever bought anything from me or Tone Merchants where they did not have great communication and get exactly what they expected with no hassles or drama? The answer is no, it will be no different with these amps.

2. By buying one of these amps, especially in the beginning you are not helping Mark, you are helping your brothers who paid for one and didn't get one. They cant get blood from a stone in Mark. This allows us to put blood into the stone so it can be directed to the guys looking for their CCV's.

3. Mark is a flake, nobody disputes that. He is also a genius with tone, and makes some of the best sounding amps for rock around. Thats a fact and they should be available. Many great products were designed by non business guys who got over their head. It took someone to come in and get the product to market. That is us.

4. If it s for you cool, if it isn't no worries we sell all the top brands in the world hopefully if your not a Cameron Tone guy you will dig something that we offer. ;) :rock:
 
King Guitar":2nw6o4no said:
Bottom line is this:

1. Has anyone ever bought anything from me or Tone Merchants where they did not have great communication and get exactly what they expected with no hassles or drama? The answer is no, it will be no different with these amps.

2. By buying one of these amps, especially in the beginning you are not helping Mark, you are helping your brothers who paid for one and didn't get one. They cant get blood from a stone in Mark. This allows us to put blood into the stone so it can be directed to the guys looking for their CCV's.

3. Mark is a flake, nobody disputes that. He is also a genius with tone, and makes some of the best sounding amps for rock around. Thats a fact and they should be available. Many great products were designed by non business guys who got over their head. It took someone to come in and get the product to market. That is us.

4. If it s for you cool, if it isn't no worries we sell all the top brands in the world hopefully if your not a Cameron Tone guy you will dig something that we offer. ;) :rock:


:rock:
 
psychodave":2dbgk44b said:
King Guitar":2dbgk44b said:
He is also a genius with tone, and makes some of the best sounding amps for rock around. Thats a fact and they should be available.

This is the grand statement. This the reason for all of the drama surrounding Mark Cameron. His business practices are horrible (although I have never had one problem, paid money and got a killer amp. Paid money and got a killer cabinet).

Like it or not, Mark knows tone and makes a killer amp. This is why his amps consistently selll for top dollar over all the other modders. Bottom line, it the PLAYER that makes the amp, not the other way around... If you feel differently, post up some clips showing how one amp makes you a better player than another...
Hey Dave, you ever get that rear panel for your CCV? :lol: :LOL:
 
psychodave":3gbre2uw said:
Lp Freak":3gbre2uw said:
psychodave":3gbre2uw said:
King Guitar":3gbre2uw said:
He is also a genius with tone, and makes some of the best sounding amps for rock around. Thats a fact and they should be available.

This is the grand statement. This the reason for all of the drama surrounding Mark Cameron. His business practices are horrible (although I have never had one problem, paid money and got a killer amp. Paid money and got a killer cabinet).

Like it or not, Mark knows tone and makes a killer amp. This is why his amps consistently selll for top dollar over all the other modders. Bottom line, it the PLAYER that makes the amp, not the other way around... If you feel differently, post up some clips showing how one amp makes you a better player than another...
Hey Dave, you ever get that rear panel for your CCV? :lol: :LOL:

Nope. The $2,500 price tag didn't include one. I will just get one from Brad :lol: :LOL:
:lol: :LOL: :thumbsup:
 
I would like to try a CCV at some point but I have a question. After the people affected by this "situation" get their amps (subsidized by the initial buyers which in turn distort market value and impose additional costs), will the price be reduced?
 
usajackson":302w3rg3 said:
I would like to try a CCV at some point but I have a question. After the people affected by this "situation" get their amps (subsidized by the initial buyers which in turn distort market value and impose additional costs), will the price be reduced?
I don't think the price has anything to do with the "situation".
 
usajackson":1j5mht8k said:
I would like to try a CCV at some point but I have a question. After the people affected by this "situation" get their amps (subsidized by the initial buyers which in turn distort market value and impose additional costs), will the price be reduced?

The price is what it is. We are not jacking up the price to cover these MIA amps. :doh: Its tough because you try to do the right thing and get kicked in the nuts left and right for it.

Sometimes I wonder why bother, except I know its the right thing to do by the guys who didn't get their amps in the short term and for the success of the venture in the long term. :salute:
 
psychodave":1sjlo2ex said:
Like it or not, Mark knows tone and makes a killer amp. This is why his amps consistently selll for top dollar over all the other modders.

This will not hold true with the CCV's when they are readily available through KG. Used ones will sell at 60% of the new price like everything else does these days. Doesn't matter how good the tone is, it's supply and demand.
 
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