Throw Away Your Masks

  • Thread starter Thread starter lll
  • Start date Start date
lll
lll
Banned
Well-known member
From the National Institute of Health (.gov domain )

Peer-reviewed proof that masks are useless against COVID; including the touted N95 masks.

This was published, BTW, November 22, 2020. :rolleyes:

Those of you who've been drinking the liberal/Democrat kool-aid about the masks can go fuck yourselves.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7680614/

The physical properties of medical and non-medical facemasks suggest that facemasks are ineffective to block viral particles due to their difference in scales [16], [17], [25]. According to the current knowledge, the virus SARS-CoV-2 has a diameter of 60 nm to 140 nm [nanometers (billionth of a meter)] [16], [17], while medical and non-medical facemasks’ thread diameter ranges from 55 µm to 440 µm [micrometers (one millionth of a meter), which is more than 1000 times larger [25]. Due to the difference in sizes between SARS-CoV-2 diameter and facemasks thread diameter (the virus is 1000 times smaller), SARS-CoV-2 can easily pass through any facemask [25]. In addition, the efficiency filtration rate of facemasks is poor, ranging from 0.7% in non-surgical, cotton-gauze woven mask to 26% in cotton sweeter material [2]. With respect to surgical and N95 medical facemasks, the efficiency filtration rate falls to 15% and 58%, respectively when even small gap between the mask and the face exists [25].

Clinical scientific evidence challenges further the efficacy of facemasks to block human-to-human transmission or infectivity. A randomized controlled trial (RCT) of 246 participants [123 (50%) symptomatic)] who were allocated to either wearing or not wearing surgical facemask, assessing viruses transmission including coronavirus [26]. The results of this study showed that among symptomatic individuals (those with fever, cough, sore throat, runny nose ect…) there was no difference between wearing and not wearing facemask for coronavirus droplets transmission of particles of >5 µm. Among asymptomatic individuals, there was no droplets or aerosols coronavirus detected from any participant with or without the mask, suggesting that asymptomatic individuals do not transmit or infect other people [26]. This was further supported by a study on infectivity where 445 asymptomatic individuals were exposed to asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 carrier (been positive for SARS-CoV-2) using close contact (shared quarantine space) for a median of 4 to 5 days. The study found that none of the 445 individuals was infected with SARS-CoV-2 confirmed by real-time reverse transcription polymerase [27].

A meta-analysis among health care workers found that compared to no masks, surgical mask and N95 respirators were not effective against transmission of viral infections or influenza-like illness based on six RCTs [28]. Using separate analysis of 23 observational studies, this meta-analysis found no protective effect of medical mask or N95 respirators against SARS virus [28]. A recent systematic review of 39 studies including 33,867 participants in community settings (self-report illness), found no difference between N95 respirators versus surgical masks and surgical mask versus no masks in the risk for developing influenza or influenza-like illness, suggesting their ineffectiveness of blocking viral transmissions in community settings [29].

Another meta-analysis of 44 non-RCT studies (n = 25,697 participants) examining the potential risk reduction of facemasks against SARS, middle east respiratory syndrome (MERS) and COVID-19 transmissions [30]. The meta-analysis included four specific studies on COVID-19 transmission (5,929 participants, primarily health-care workers used N95 masks). Although the overall findings showed reduced risk of virus transmission with facemasks, the analysis had severe limitations to draw conclusions. One of the four COVID-19 studies had zero infected cases in both arms, and was excluded from meta-analytic calculation. Other two COVID-19 studies had unadjusted models, and were also excluded from the overall analysis. The meta-analytic results were based on only one COVID-19, one MERS and 8 SARS studies, resulting in high selection bias of the studies and contamination of the results between different viruses. Based on four COVID-19 studies, the meta-analysis failed to demonstrate risk reduction of facemasks for COVID-19 transmission, where the authors reported that the results of meta-analysis have low certainty and are inconclusive [30].

In early publication the WHO stated that “facemasks are not required, as no evidence is available on its usefulness to protect non-sick persons” [14]. In the same publication, the WHO declared that “cloth (e.g. cotton or gauze) masks are not recommended under any circumstance” [14]. Conversely, in later publication the WHO stated that the usage of fabric-made facemasks (Polypropylene, Cotton, Polyester, Cellulose, Gauze and Silk) is a general community practice for “preventing the infected wearer transmitting the virus to others and/or to offer protection to the healthy wearer against infection (prevention)” [2]. The same publication further conflicted itself by stating that due to the lower filtration, breathability and overall performance of fabric facemasks, the usage of woven fabric mask such as cloth, and/or non-woven fabrics, should only be considered for infected persons and not for prevention practice in asymptomatic individuals [2]. The Central for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) made similar recommendation, stating that only symptomatic persons should consider wearing facemask, while for asymptomatic individuals this practice is not recommended [31]. Consistent with the CDC, clinical scientists from Departments of Infectious Diseases and Microbiology in Australia counsel against facemasks usage for health-care workers, arguing that there is no justification for such practice while normal caring relationship between patients and medical staff could be compromised [32]. Moreover, the WHO repeatedly announced that “at present, there is no direct evidence (from studies on COVID-19) on the effectiveness face masking of healthy people in the community to prevent infection of respiratory viruses, including COVID-19”[2]. Despite these controversies, the potential harms and risks of wearing facemasks were clearly acknowledged. These including self-contamination due to hand practice or non-replaced when the mask is wet, soiled or damaged, development of facial skin lesions, irritant dermatitis or worsening acne and psychological discomfort. Vulnerable populations such as people with mental health disorders, developmental disabilities, hearing problems, those living in hot and humid environments, children and patients with respiratory conditions are at significant health risk for complications and harm [2].
 
Last edited:

Conclusion​

The existing scientific evidences challenge the safety and efficacy of wearing facemask as preventive intervention for COVID-19. The data suggest that both medical and non-medical facemasks are ineffective to block human-to-human transmission of viral and infectious disease such SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19, supporting against the usage of facemasks. Wearing facemasks has been demonstrated to have substantial adverse physiological and psychological effects. These include hypoxia, hypercapnia, shortness of breath, increased acidity and toxicity, activation of fear and stress response, rise in stress hormones, immunosuppression, fatigue, headaches, decline in cognitive performance, predisposition for viral and infectious illnesses, chronic stress, anxiety and depression. Long-term consequences of wearing facemask can cause health deterioration, developing and progression of chronic diseases and premature death. Governments, policy makers and health organizations should utilize proper and scientific evidence-based approach with respect to wearing facemasks, when the latter is considered as preventive intervention for public health.
 
And the effectiveness of N95 masks against Covid suspended in saliva or phlegm particles?
 
When you are properly fitted for a genuine n95 they work. They spray different scents and flavors around you to assure you don’t taste or smell a thing. In our clinic we switched to n95, not a single of us has caught it this far. Coincidence? Maybe, but they completely make a difference and help.
For the regular world, maybe not as much as many other masks, but in a healthcare environment it’s great.
Not preaching, this is just my personal thought in my life.
 
Last edited:
And the effectiveness of N95 masks against Covid suspended in saliva or phlegm particles?

Give us your scientific, peer-approved paper on that, "doctor".

Until then, shut the fuck up Lie Manchu.
 
This is a Medical Hypothesis. Get back to us if/when this graduates to a Scientific Theory.
 
Last edited:
Just FYI:

Medical Hypotheses is a not-conventionally-peer reviewed[2] medical journal published by Elsevier. It was originally intended as a forum for unconventional ideas without the traditional filter of scientific peer review, "as long as (the ideas) are coherent and clearly expressed" in order to "foster the diversity and debate upon which the scientific process thrives."[3] The publication of papers on AIDS denialism[4][5][6] led to calls to remove it from PubMed, the United States National Library of Medicine online journal database.[5] Following the AIDS papers controversy, Elsevier forced a change in the journal's leadership. In June 2010, Elsevier announced that "Submitted manuscripts will be reviewed by the Editor and external reviewers to ensure their scientific merit".[7]
 
Just FYI:

Medical Hypotheses is a not-conventionally-peer reviewed[2] medical journal published by Elsevier. It was originally intended as a forum for unconventional ideas without the traditional filter of scientific peer review, "as long as (the ideas) are coherent and clearly expressed" in order to "foster the diversity and debate upon which the scientific process thrives."[3] The publication of papers on AIDS denialism[4][5][6] led to calls to remove it from PubMed, the United States National Library of Medicine online journal database.[5] Following the AIDS papers controversy, Elsevier forced a change in the journal's leadership. In June 2010, Elsevier announced that "Submitted manuscripts will be reviewed by the Editor and external reviewers to ensure their scientific merit".[7]

In order to dismiss this paper, you would have to contradict the countless references found in said paper (67 total; all listed at the end).

Furthermore, try explaining this away (from same link) :

In early publication the WHO stated that “facemasks are not required, as no evidence is available on its usefulness to protect non-sick persons” [14]. In the same publication, the WHO declared that “cloth (e.g. cotton or gauze) masks are not recommended under any circumstance” [14]. Conversely, in later publication the WHO stated that the usage of fabric-made facemasks (Polypropylene, Cotton, Polyester, Cellulose, Gauze and Silk) is a general community practice for “preventing the infected wearer transmitting the virus to others and/or to offer protection to the healthy wearer against infection (prevention)” [2]. The same publication further conflicted itself by stating that due to the lower filtration, breathability and overall performance of fabric facemasks, the usage of woven fabric mask such as cloth, and/or non-woven fabrics, should only be considered for infected persons and not for prevention practice in asymptomatic individuals [2]. The Central for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) made similar recommendation, stating that only symptomatic persons should consider wearing facemask, while for asymptomatic individuals this practice is not recommended [31]. Consistent with the CDC, clinical scientists from Departments of Infectious Diseases and Microbiology in Australia counsel against facemasks usage for health-care workers, arguing that there is no justification for such practice while normal caring relationship between patients and medical staff could be compromised [32]. Moreover, the WHO repeatedly announced that “at present, there is no direct evidence (from studies on COVID-19) on the effectiveness face masking of healthy people in the community to prevent infection of respiratory viruses, including COVID-19”[2]. Despite these controversies, the potential harms and risks of wearing facemasks were clearly acknowledged. These including self-contamination due to hand practice or non-replaced when the mask is wet, soiled or damaged, development of facial skin lesions, irritant dermatitis or worsening acne and psychological discomfort. Vulnerable populations such as people with mental health disorders, developmental disabilities, hearing problems, those living in hot and humid environments, children and patients with respiratory conditions are at significant health risk for complications and harm [2].
 
In order to dismiss this paper, you would have to contradict the countless references found in said paper (67 total; all listed at the end).

Furthermore, try explaining this away (from same link) :

Science adapts, and becomes more accurate as discovery is made.

It's like trying to calculate an average. Which average do you think will be more accurate?
1). 3 samples over 1 minute, or
2). 9 samples over 3 mins
 
BTW I'm not dismissing the paper. A hypothesis is the starting point of the scientific method. However It's nothing most people should give a shit about unless it is put to the test, and graduates to be at least part of a Scientific Theory.

A hypothesis is untested and subjective.

I'll gladly accept it, if it's tested to be True
 
Give us your scientific, peer-approved paper on that, "doctor".

Until then, shut the fuck up Lie Manchu.
I will gladly shut up the day that you electively choose to eat a bullet.
 
BTW I'm not dismissing the paper. A hypothesis is the starting point of the scientific method. However It's nothing most people should give a shit about unless it is put to the test, and graduates to be at least part of a Scientific Theory.

A hypothesis is untested and subjective.

I'll gladly accept it, if it's tested to be True
Isn’t just about everything covid related a hypothesis? It’s ok for illegal immigrants to be held at over 16x capacity by the government, but a restaurant owner gets arrested or fined for going over 50% .
 
Isn’t just about everything covid related a hypothesis? It’s ok for illegal immigrants to be held at over 16x capacity by the government, but a restaurant owner gets arrested or fined for going over 50% .

Sure, there is hypothesis with COVID-19 especially early on. As time progresses naturally more facts will be known.
Anyhow if you have two competing hypothesis, and you have no choice but to choose one, you'll have to error on the side of caution.

Then shut the fuck up.

I'll shut the fuck up when you stop posting dumb shit. Which means I'll never shut the fuck up :hys:
 
Last edited:
The sexual tension between you two is palpable and titty-lactating... I mean, titillating. :LOL:
 
When you are properly fitted for a genuine n95 they work. They spray different scents and flavors around you to assure you don’t taste or smell a thing. In our clinic we switched to n95, not a single of us has caught it this far. Coincidence? Maybe, but they completely make a difference and help.
For the regular world, maybe not as much as many other masks, but in a healthcare environment it’s great.
Not preaching, this is just my personal thought in my life.
Not for nothing but I'm sure viruses are much smaller than anything coming out of a spray can. Just because you can't smell a spray of Lysol doesn't mean covid can't get through. And if it can in fact get through, then it would be useless and ineffective towards covid.
 
He want's me to milk those giant man teats. Never going to happen with the way he speaks to me :ROFLMAO:
You're just playing hard-to-get and he knows it, Brother CentristNutz.

Finger poised above that speed-dial number to book the room for you guys... :LOL:
 
Not for nothing but I'm sure viruses are much smaller than anything coming out of a spray can. Just because you can't smell a spray of Lysol doesn't mean covid can't get through. And if it can in fact get through, then it would be useless and ineffective towards covid.
This is all true, and is a great thinking point. If Aerosol scant go through, but oxygen can, where does Covid fall in that spectrum?
 
Tens of nanometers. That's small; about 1000 times smaller than the gaps in the "finest" masks.
 
 
Back
Top