Trump elected: what happens next?

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In any case the argument you are trying to further, with regard to the Palestinians allegedly being reactive, falls flat on it's face when you look at the history of the Jews. Which is and continues to be widespread persecution of Jews. If you were a Jew in Israel in 1929 you'd have been blowing some shit up.
 
Floyd Eye said:
Dude, those were attacks against the occupying British, not Arabs.
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I think I read about it in Leon Uris’ Exodus, perhaps he obfuscated the facts and made it rosier than it was.

So here is a Wiki entry on terror attacks by Jewish terrorists that led up to the formation of Israel.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_attacks
Apparently, the hotel bombing was intended to destroy evidence that linked Israel’s founder, David Ben Gurion, to terrorists.

@acceptance has a point, Israel really has no leg to stand on when it complains about terrorism.

And there are ongoing terror attacks by Jewish settlers on Arabs legitimately present in Israel in the current situation.

But @Floyd Eye has a point too, and I don’t think terrorism is a solution to anything.
 
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nightlight said:
I think I read about it in Leon Uris’ Exodus, perhaps he obfuscated the facts and made it rosier than it was.

So here is a Wiki entry on terror attacks by Jewish terrorists that led up to the formation of Israel.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_attacks
Apparently, the hotel bombing was intended to destroy evidence that linked Israel’s founder, David Ben Gurion, to terrorists.

@acceptance has a point, Israel really has no leg to stand on when it complains about terrorism.

But @Floyd Eye has a point too, and I don’t think terrorism is a solution to anything.
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When is the last time Israel butchered 1200 civilians and took 200 more captive ?
 
nightlight said:
@Floyd Eye has a point too, and I don’t think terrorism is a solution to anything
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I am unequivocally opposed to terrorism. It's the retarded binary world we find ourselves in that someone arguing against Israel's genocide and for Palestinian sovereignty is immediately understood to support terrorism. I oppose it, whether by Hamas or Israel.
 
Floyd Eye said:
When is the last time Israel butchered 1200 civilians and took 200 more captive ?
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No point in dealing with absolutes. 43,000 are dead in Gaza. Do the deaths of women and children mean nothing? There are very strict rules of engagement even in war.
 
acceptance said:
I am unequivocally opposed to terrorism. It's the retarded binary world we find ourselves in that someone arguing against Israel's genocide and for Palestinian sovereignty is immediately understood to support terrorism. I oppose it, whether by Hamas or Israel.
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That’s good, terror should be opposed. But if you go back through your posts, you make it sound like this is a case of one hand clapping.

From my point of view, it’s best to keep out of an argument when you’ve already made your point. Nothing you say will convince the other party, and nothing they say will convince you.

Remember, it is not the person left speaking into empty space that wins an argument on the Internet. Take my word for it.
 
nightlight said:
No point in dealing with absolutes. 43,000 are dead in Gaza. Do the deaths of women and children mean nothing? There are very strict rules of engagement even in war.
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So what exactly are the rules of engagement when an enemy force, whose stated goal is to eradicate your kind, repeatedly attacks you from the cover of civilian populations ? I’m pretty sure that’s against the rules of engagement no ? Are you just supposed to ask them nicely to quit lobbing rockets into your cities and to please give the hostages and bodies of dead hostages back ?

Israel isn’t going to stop until Hamas is destroyed. People that actually care about Palestinian civilians wouldn’t wage war from inside civilian populations.

Seems to me if the world cares so much about the Palestinians they’d do whatever it took to get rid of Hamas. They’re the worst enemy those people have.
 
Floyd Eye said:
So what exactly are the rules of engagement when an enemy force, whose stated goal is to eradicate your kind, repeatedly attacks you from the cover of civilian populations ? I’m pretty sure that’s against the rules of engagement no ? Are you just supposed to ask them nicely to quit lobbing rockets into your cities and to please give the hostages and bodies of dead hostages back ?

Israel isn’t going to stop until Hamas is destroyed. People that actually care about Palestinian civilians wouldn’t wage war from inside civilian populations.

Seems to me if the world cares so much about the Palestinians they’d do whatever it took to get rid of Hamas. They’re the worst enemy those people have.
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It’s quite simple really. Fight and kill enemy non-combatants, and no one else if you can help it.

But face a war crimes tribunal for any and all innocent men, women and children you wilfully kill.

Those are the rules, like them or not.

Given the scale of devastation in Gaza and the disproportionate amount of civilian deaths, it’s not hard to determine that an indiscriminate campaign of wholesale slaughter has been perpetrated.

There are also reports of deliberate starvation and deprivation of the Palestinians.

These are war crimes, if one reads international law.

There’s a reason that an ICJ case is underway, irrespective of whether the US decides to shield Netanyahu and his Cabinet, or the Israelis think that bluster will carry the day. We will have to wait for the outcome.

At the same time, Hamas militants should be tried for terror.

Quite simply put, these are the rules.
 
nightlight said:
That’s good, terror should be opposed. But if you go back through your posts, you make it sound like this is a case of one hand clapping.
nightlight said:
At the same time, Hamas militants should be tried for terro
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It's not clear to me that October 7th was a terrorist attack. Military bases and military personnel were targeted, likewise with the hostages. I think Hamas was likely more surprised than anyone, and as a result somewhat disorganized. People also have to recognize that not only Hamas was active that day. It could be that other groups or individuals were responsible for some of the claimed abuses. In addition the majority of civilian deaths were likely caused by the IDF themselves via the Hannibal directive I mentioned earlier.
 
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acceptance said:
It's not clear to me that October 7th was a terrorist attack. Military bases and military personnel were targeted, likewise with the hostages. People have to recognize that not only Hamas was active that day. It could be that other groups or individuals were responsible for some of the claimed abuses. In addition the majority of civilian deaths were likely caused by the IDF themselves via the Hannibal directive I mentioned earlier.
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Dude, you sound deranged. The attack was claimed by Hamas. This is just bullshit, and it’s clear you have an axe to grind here.

At best, you’re badly informed. At worst, you are spreading terror propaganda.

The mods need to put a stop to this.
 
nightlight said:
Dude, you sound deranged. The attack was claimed by Hamas. This is just bullshit, and it’s clear you have an axe to grind here.

At best, you’re badly informed. At worst, you are spreading terror propaganda.

The mods need to put a stop to this.
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Give me a break. Call the mods cause someone says something you don't like? Rather you are badly informed. The Haaretz article I cited stated that the Hannibal was issued at THREE MILITARY BASES. That's were Hamas was active in case you don't get it. Israeli/Neocon propagandists obviously don't want to call the Hamas attack a successful military operation.
 
acceptance said:
Give me a break. Call the mods cause someone says something you don't like? Rather you are badly informed. The Haaretz article I cited stated that the Hannibal was issued at THREE MILITARY BASES. That's were Hamas was active in case you don't get it. Israeli/Neocon propagandists obviously don't want to call the Hamas attack a successful military operation.
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I didn’t report the post, let the mods evaluate the content you are posting themselves.

“Successful military operation”? What are you saying? I am horrified that anyone would seek to justify a terror attack by calling it something like that.

Forget the mods, someone should be calling the cops.
 
nightlight said:
I didn’t report the post, let the mods evaluate the content you are posting themselves.

“Successful military operation”? What are you saying? I am horrified that anyone would seek to justify a terror attack by calling it something like that.

Forget the mods, someone should be calling the cops.
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You are in OTC, might wanna put on your big boy pants cause we're allowed to have opinions that cause discomfort. It's also covered under the first amendment in the United States, so you might want to check that before you start calling any authorities. You seem to be confused because you are relying on Israeli/NeoCon propaganda for your understanding of what occurred on October 7th. I am directly challenging that understanding.
 
Anyways, this thread is about what Trump will do. This might be an indication. Looks like he's got a supporter with you @nightlight

 
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