Trump elected: what happens next?

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acceptance said:
Anyways, this thread is about what Trump will do. This might be an indication. Looks like he's got a supporter with you @nightlight

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Why are all the sources you quote so dubious?

Anyway, I refuse to engage with anyone who says that an attack on innocent people was a "successful military operation". That's like praising the 9/11 attacks, and I am bowing out of this thread.

Your motives are highly suspect. I can understand freedom of speech, and you are entitled to it. I haven’t reported you to the mods either.

But a declaration of support for the events of Oct 7 make you a very, very dangerous person and that is why I suggested that someone inform the authorities. as I don't know if that support extends to material or financial support for terrorists.

I'm done here. Feel free to convince everyone else that you have their best interests at heart.

I mean, it’s clear to me you’re looking for like-minded individuals here.
 
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acceptance said:
It's not clear to me that October 7th was a terrorist attack. Military bases and military personnel were targeted, likewise with the hostages. I think Hamas was likely more surprised than anyone, and as a result somewhat disorganized. People also have to recognize that not only Hamas was active that day. It could be that other groups or individuals were responsible for some of the claimed abuses. In addition the majority of civilian deaths were likely caused by the IDF themselves via the Hannibal directive I mentioned earlier.
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This is a load of horseshit that proves inexplicably your massive bias. It's what you've said from the beginning and the number one reason why I ignore everything you say on the subject.
 
What amazes me is how we get Off Topic in OTC threads :lol:

There are a bunch of different threads that talk about what is going on in (Middle East).

I get the fact that it is good to have an ally in the Middle East, but these folks will ALWAYS want to fight to the death for ever and ever, so if we (US) wants to be involved in some way - we are joined in perpetuity. :dunno:

Not sure if that came out right but as far as what will Trump do next, I just hope he can do what I've been wanting him to do all along, which is tone it down, get smarter, and bring people together. :yes:

If he does that, he will go down as one of the greatest.
 
Floyd Eye said:
This is a load of horseshit that proves inexplicably your massive bias. It's what you've said from the beginning and the number one reason why I ignore everything you say on the subject.
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You can say it's horseshit but you're not countering with evidence or reason. You're just parroting the Israeli narrative, when they have every motivation to lie (And have already been proven to have done).
 
nightlight said:
Why are all the sources you quote so dubious?

Anyway, I refuse to engage with anyone who says that an attack on innocent people was a "successful military operation". That's like praising the 9/11 attacks, and I am bowing out of this thread.

Your motives are highly suspect. I can understand freedom of speech, and you are entitled to it. I haven’t reported you to the mods either.

But a declaration of support for the events of Oct 7 make you a very, very dangerous person and that is why I suggested that someone inform the authorities. as I don't know if that support extends to material or financial support for terrorists.

I'm done here. Feel free to convince everyone else that you have their best interests at heart.

I mean, it’s clear to me you’re looking for like-minded individuals here.
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You misrepresented my position and ignored the actual debate because you have nothing else. An assertion of fact is not a statement of value or praise. An enemy can have a "successful military operation" and whether it was an attack on civilians or a strategic military operation is what we're arguing. So fuck off with your smears and implications and feel free to rejoin when you're ready to stop being a little bitch.
 
acceptance said:
You misrepresented my position and ignored the actual debate because you have nothing else. An assertion of fact is not a statement of value or praise. An enemy can have a "successful military operation" and whether it was an attack on civilians or a strategic military operation is what we're arguing. So fuck off with your smears and implications and feel free to rejoin when you're ready to stop being a little bitch.
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That may the first time I've ever seen your curse :lol:
 
acceptance said:
You can say it's horseshit but you're not countering with evidence or reason. You're just parroting the Israeli narrative, when they have every motivation to lie (And have already been proven to have done).
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1100 civilians killed. Over 200 at a music festival. Videos of Hamas killing young women , dragging them into vehicles. Thousands of eyewitness accounts.

This is why I tried not to have this particular conversation with you. You are so fucking out there on it that it makes your opinion that the earth isn’t a sphere look sane. You defend murderers and terrorists and then claim I’m the one advocating genocide.

I’m done talking to you about it because I like you and don’t want to have to resort to calling you a fucking retard.
 
Terror sympathiser blocked. Guy uses the free speech argument as a shield as he spews anti-Semitic BS and terror propaganda. What a freaking monster.
 
Floyd Eye said:
1100 civilians killed. Over 200 at a music festival. Videos of Hamas killing young women , dragging them into vehicles. Thousands of eyewitness accounts.

This is why I tried not to have this particular conversation with you. You are so fucking out there on it that it makes your opinion that the earth isn’t a sphere look sane. You defend murderers and terrorists and then claim I’m the one advocating genocide.

I’m done talking to you about it because I like you and don’t want to have to resort to calling you a fucking retard.
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According to the social security data, 695 Israeli civilians were killed and at least 373 security personnel. The Israeli military admits it shelled a house in in Kibbutz Be'eri, killing 13 civilians in that incident alone, for which Israel previously claimed Hamas was responsible. The Israeli army also shelled a police station in Sderot that contained Israeli prisoners and Hamas fighters. And they admitted they may have killed attendees at Nova by attack helicopter. So it is unclear how many deaths either side is responsible for.
 
Floyd Eye said:
You defend murderers and terrorists and then claim I’m the one advocating genocide.
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You seemed to suggest that the death of 45,000 Palestinians and counting, mostly civillian, is a good thing. You have also claimed that the objective of war is to win — not worry about morality and the constraints of rules of war. So it does appear to me that you advocate, or at least excuse Israel's actions, which I believe constitute genocide. You also do not condemn the terrorist acts committed by the Israeli settlers and founders of the country. On the other hand, I have never defended, and would never defend a terrorist act. I am opposed to terrorism on principle. Stating that Palestine is legally entitled to armed resistance under the Geneva convention is not defending terrorism and neither is making the case that the Hamas attack was primarily military. Hamas and whoever else — Israeli or otherwise — should all be held accountable for their war crimes.
 
Dude, you are calling Hamas action on Oct 7 justifiable armed resistance. I don’t need to respond to anything else you have to say about it. That is enough for me to conclude conversations about this topic with you.

No hard feelings bro. Just not doing the endless circle game about it with you.
 
acceptance said:
You seemed to suggest that the death of 45,000 Palestinians and counting, mostly civillian, is a good thing.
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90% or more of the population agrees and cheers the barbaric act conducted by Hamas, so fuck them too. No room for that ideology in society period.
 
Floyd Eye said:
Dude, you are calling Hamas action on Oct 7 justifiable armed resistance. I don’t need to respond to anything else you have to say about it.
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I never said that "Oct 7" was justifiable armed resistance. The events on that day were complex and varied. The fence was penetrated, so we don't know entirely who went in and who was doing what. I have stated that Palestine is legally entitled to armed resistance under the Geneva convention. And I've made the general case that Hamas staged a military attack. I have also condemned terrorism. So the most you might conclude is that I believe Hamas's actions, to the extent that they were lawful, were justified. But I didn't even say that, because I don't believe in war as a means of conflict resolution. In my view, war is immoral for the same reason that terrorism is immoral. Innocent people are always involved and suffer. It's inevitable.

You can end what you call "circles" but I think you are just looking for an excuse to avoid the complexities, nuances, and uncomfortable truths I have been trying to point out which challenge your views. No hard feelings here either.
 
Hamas attacked Israel, but Israel let it happen as a false flag so they could go in and level Gaza. I wouldn't put it past the Israeli government to have covertly funded Hamas.
 
Laputan Machine said:
Hamas attacked Israel, but Israel let it happen as a false flag so they could go in and level Gaza. I wouldn't put it past the Israeli government to have covertly funded Hamas.
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They will likely take the west bank. So much for visiting the village I am originally from. Well at least I can go to Lebanon since I am lebanese maternally. Oh wait, southern lebanon where my mom is from is also being bombed into oblivion. Oh also wait, because my dad is Palestinian Lebanese will give me a grief.

I'm all for getting rid of Hamas and Hezbollah and overall deislamization of the levant, don't get me wrong. But it will come at a very high cost.
 
Laputan Machine said:
I wouldn't put it past the Israeli government to have covertly funded Hamas.
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I am not immediately aware of direct funding, but indirectly yes:

"Between 2012 and 2018, Netanyahu gave Qatar approval to transfer a cumulative sum of about a billion dollars to Gaza, at least half of which reached Hamas, including its military wing. According to the Jerusalem Post, in a private meeting with members of his Likud party on March 11, 2019, Netanyahu explained the reckless step as follows: The money transfer is part of the strategy to divide the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. Anyone who opposes the establishment of a Palestinian state needs to support the transfer of the money from Qatar to Hamas. In that way, we will foil the establishment of a Palestinian state (as reported in former cabinet member Haim Ramon’s Hebrew-language book “Neged Haruach”, p. 417)."

https://archive.is/lDTc4
 
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