acceptance
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VonBonfire
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The Talmud makes a case for treating all non-jews like animals. They do not study Torah, they study the Talmud, which contains a wide ranging group of opinions. It's the Jewish version of declaring yourself a bishop. Take what you want from it and call it the truth even when it's lies and is contradictory to Torah.
Floyd Eye
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Floyd Eye
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The UN didn’t even condemn the Oct 7 murder and kidnapping spree other than with a caveat “ it didn’t happen in a vacuum.”
acceptance
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That was a comment, not a formal resolution or even a statement AFAIK. Anyways, it's true. And you still believe all the bullshit that you heard that day — beheading babies, mass rape, etc. Not that it was in fact a military operation, which targeted military and personnel, while the IDF themselves were likely responsible for the bulk of the civilian casualties. You also haven't heard of the accounts where freed hostages told of how they were treated kindly and were more afraid of the Israeli bombs killing them all, which is probably what there were trying to accomplish.
acceptance
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Floyd, the most consistent you've been on this subject is saying essentially that it's just how humans are, and everyone is occasionally subject to abuse, displacement, genocide, etc. But you seem totally biased against the Palestinians. You have to pick one or the other, not just complain about supposed Hamas abuses and then ignore Israeli abuses.
Floyd Eye
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Not getting sucked back into your bullshit bro. Those terrorists are getting what they deserve. I understand you disagree. Makes no difference to me.
acceptance
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All those children being killed are not terrorists. But either way, if you think that it's okay for a state to unilaterally declare a group of people terrorists and then incinerate them, don't complain if the same happens to Israel.
Floyd Eye
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Sigh.
The terrorists that 3/4 of Gazans support fire missiles at Israel from the cover of hospitals and schools and civilian populations.
And as much as you think you know my point, you completely missed the main one, which I’ve stated many times. It isn’t going to happen to Israel. Same as the Sioux are not going to rise up and take their land back from the US government.
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VonBonfire
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I think you're expecting too much if you think people will cross party lines on issues like these. No offense intended bro. If they ran pro Palestine stuff on Fox news my neighbor would damn conservatives who didn't goose step along with it. Instead he thinks Israel is some great, upright nation and a Palestinian infant is a terrorist because FOX. This is why I don't vote. It's a complete waste of time. I can't stand the mental and social fracturing all of it requires. There is no peace there.
acceptance
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This is propaganda to justify bombing hospitals and civilian infrastructure. Here's the game: you call everyone you want to kill a terrorist, Hamas, and say that they are hiding in hospitals, schools, everywhere. Then level the place and expel the remaining people living there. The end result looks no different than genocide and ethnic cleansing.
What is your point exactly?
nightlight
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Let's be clear. The events of Oct 7, 2023, were an atrocity. Around 1,200 killed, hundreds taken hostage.
The events since have been equally horrendous. Over 43,000 dead in Gaza, with some reports indicating that the majority are women and children.
What is about to happen next is that Israel is about to annexe large swathes of Palestine to create a buffer zone. This will leave the Palestinians with even less territory than they held before and is in effect ethnic cleansing.
I'm pretty positive Trump will go along with this plan, based on the advice of close associates like Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump.
Who is right? Hamas? No, they're terrorists and started this whole thing. And if you talk of genocidal intent, they want to kill all the Israelis as well.
Are the Israelis right? No, unfortunately, they have demonstrated that despite how this started, they have long harboured genocidal intent and plans in Gaza and possibly the rest of the Middle East.
America will sort this out in favour of the Israelis, I am confident.
This whole thing is a mess. I don't think Trump can be blamed for starting the war.
In a similar fashion, America will sort out the Ukraine war in favour of Russia.
The events since have been equally horrendous. Over 43,000 dead in Gaza, with some reports indicating that the majority are women and children.
What is about to happen next is that Israel is about to annexe large swathes of Palestine to create a buffer zone. This will leave the Palestinians with even less territory than they held before and is in effect ethnic cleansing.
I'm pretty positive Trump will go along with this plan, based on the advice of close associates like Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump.
Who is right? Hamas? No, they're terrorists and started this whole thing. And if you talk of genocidal intent, they want to kill all the Israelis as well.
Are the Israelis right? No, unfortunately, they have demonstrated that despite how this started, they have long harboured genocidal intent and plans in Gaza and possibly the rest of the Middle East.
America will sort this out in favour of the Israelis, I am confident.
This whole thing is a mess. I don't think Trump can be blamed for starting the war.
In a similar fashion, America will sort out the Ukraine war in favour of Russia.
rsm
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Trump supports National Concealed Carry Reciprocity.
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-concealed-carry-reciprocity-1983740
More winning.
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-concealed-carry-reciprocity-1983740
More winning.
acceptance
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I am less optimistic. America can immediately end both Ukraine/Russia and Israel/Gaza by not sending any more arms to either. I think that will probably happen in Ukraine, but Trumph has a $100M dollar debt to Adelson/Israel. So Trump will continue to arm Israel. However, the likelihood that the conflict could escalate to WWIII is no less, and probably higher than in Ukraine, IMO. I don't think it will be as easy to resolve the Israel/Palestine conflict. Israel will go on with the current campaign, which is expanding to Syria and Lebanon. They will do all they can to goad Iran into a massive strike in order to bring the US in, because Israel can't win against Iran on their own. That's were Trump plays the part for which he was selected IMO. Yes, I am predicting US conflict with Iran. Boots on the ground even.
rsm
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Israel/Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, Iran, Ukraine,... not our problem. Just leave; in an orderly and controlled manner.
Close US military bases in some foreign countries, and put military on US border with authorization for use of deadly force.
America First.
FTW.
IMO
Close US military bases in some foreign countries, and put military on US border with authorization for use of deadly force.
America First.
FTW.
IMO
nightlight
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What I am most interested in seeing about a Trump presidency is his economic policies.
In particular, I noted his campaign promise to lower taxes on the people as well as businesses.
Meanwhile, the Republicans have promised to rein in government spending as US debt swells to unsustainable levels.
If you lower taxes, how do you service debt? In his first term, Trump had famously said, "We print the money."
So I'm assuming that more greenbacks will be printed to not only service debt, but also fund construction of the border wall, repair deteriorating infrastructure, and build up the military to confront the China threat, besides other requirements.
So what happens then? This is my reading of what might happen in the short term.
As we have seen before, when the US prints dollars, there is more money chasing after limited goods. This will fuel inflation within the states and the dollar will decline in value.
Meanwhile, due to the US dollar being the international currency of choice, countries will be forced to buy more US dollars to purchase the same goods, as the dollar has weakened.
Paradoxically, this will result in the dollar strengthening, since more countries are chasing dollars.
As the dollar strengthens, the US economy will grow stronger, while every other economy in the world will weaken and struggle to purchase goods internationally.
And when inflation becomes too high in the US, the US Federal Reserve will quantitatively tighten again, hoovering up all the excess dollars and depositing them in its coffers.
It's quite brilliant, actually, as this will lead to the US economy further strengthening.
So what happens in the long term then?
This will also fuel efforts by countries to de-dollarise the global economy, as is being pushed by the Brazil-Russia-India-China-South Africa bloc, which is touting a currency called the "unit" which is backed by gold.
On the other hand, the dollar is backed by nothing but the US promise to pay the bearer, despite US debt now being well over 100% of GDP.
This debt pile would have caused ratings agencies worldwide to downgrade any other countries credit rating to junk by now. But not the US.
Why not? For one, other companies - particularly in the West - find it useful to maintain a unipolar world order, with the US at the head.
And in other countries, politicians and economists keep their heads buried in the sand or look the other way because it is advantageous to them, possibly in monetary ways as well.
Let's not forget that the US dollar became the global currency of choice after World War II because European governments were devastated and owed huge sums for American weaponry and other support.
Later, when America found it did not have the gold to pay the bearer of a dollar note the value of gold it was supposed to be a store of, the gold standard was dropped and Western countries looked the other way.
Let us not forget that much of the world was not involved in any of the decisions taken to decide on the shape of the global economy post-World War II. It was all decided by some extremely broke and devastated nations and their main creditor.
But as the Biden government found out, cost of living issues can cause any government to topple and trigger unrest. This will happen in other countries as well, as they find it difficult to buy food and fuel.
Solutions are being sought. For example, in 2023, for the first time in history, one-fifth of all international trade in petroleum was carried out in currencies other than the US dollar.
This is the de-dollarisation I was speaking about already taking place. With countries such as China expected to overtake the US economy in terms of sheer size, and their technologies appearing to overtake the US (read about China's AI development versus the US), this process will accelerate.
Should the US dollar lose its position as the global currency of choice, America will no longer be able to print bills to service its debt.
A bit of fun: World War III, with America as the aggressor
What happens then? America cannot let the world de-dollarise. Its economy would collapse, its companies would become worthless, it would not be able to afford the imports it is dependent upon.
Its only choice, therefore, is to go to war with the rest of the world, starting with China.
From there, it would make sense to invade India and South Asia, South-east Asia, the Middle East and other countries to ensure that the dollar remains the de facto "gold" of the modern world. Europe as well?
Can you imagine the death toll? The death count in the billions? The nuclear holocaust and fallout? The hellfire and muties roaming the land?
Like I said, I look forward to learning more about his economic policies haha
In particular, I noted his campaign promise to lower taxes on the people as well as businesses.
Meanwhile, the Republicans have promised to rein in government spending as US debt swells to unsustainable levels.
If you lower taxes, how do you service debt? In his first term, Trump had famously said, "We print the money."
So I'm assuming that more greenbacks will be printed to not only service debt, but also fund construction of the border wall, repair deteriorating infrastructure, and build up the military to confront the China threat, besides other requirements.
So what happens then? This is my reading of what might happen in the short term.
As we have seen before, when the US prints dollars, there is more money chasing after limited goods. This will fuel inflation within the states and the dollar will decline in value.
Meanwhile, due to the US dollar being the international currency of choice, countries will be forced to buy more US dollars to purchase the same goods, as the dollar has weakened.
Paradoxically, this will result in the dollar strengthening, since more countries are chasing dollars.
As the dollar strengthens, the US economy will grow stronger, while every other economy in the world will weaken and struggle to purchase goods internationally.
And when inflation becomes too high in the US, the US Federal Reserve will quantitatively tighten again, hoovering up all the excess dollars and depositing them in its coffers.
It's quite brilliant, actually, as this will lead to the US economy further strengthening.
So what happens in the long term then?
This will also fuel efforts by countries to de-dollarise the global economy, as is being pushed by the Brazil-Russia-India-China-South Africa bloc, which is touting a currency called the "unit" which is backed by gold.
On the other hand, the dollar is backed by nothing but the US promise to pay the bearer, despite US debt now being well over 100% of GDP.
This debt pile would have caused ratings agencies worldwide to downgrade any other countries credit rating to junk by now. But not the US.
Why not? For one, other companies - particularly in the West - find it useful to maintain a unipolar world order, with the US at the head.
And in other countries, politicians and economists keep their heads buried in the sand or look the other way because it is advantageous to them, possibly in monetary ways as well.
Let's not forget that the US dollar became the global currency of choice after World War II because European governments were devastated and owed huge sums for American weaponry and other support.
Later, when America found it did not have the gold to pay the bearer of a dollar note the value of gold it was supposed to be a store of, the gold standard was dropped and Western countries looked the other way.
Let us not forget that much of the world was not involved in any of the decisions taken to decide on the shape of the global economy post-World War II. It was all decided by some extremely broke and devastated nations and their main creditor.
But as the Biden government found out, cost of living issues can cause any government to topple and trigger unrest. This will happen in other countries as well, as they find it difficult to buy food and fuel.
Solutions are being sought. For example, in 2023, for the first time in history, one-fifth of all international trade in petroleum was carried out in currencies other than the US dollar.
This is the de-dollarisation I was speaking about already taking place. With countries such as China expected to overtake the US economy in terms of sheer size, and their technologies appearing to overtake the US (read about China's AI development versus the US), this process will accelerate.
Should the US dollar lose its position as the global currency of choice, America will no longer be able to print bills to service its debt.
A bit of fun: World War III, with America as the aggressor
What happens then? America cannot let the world de-dollarise. Its economy would collapse, its companies would become worthless, it would not be able to afford the imports it is dependent upon.
Its only choice, therefore, is to go to war with the rest of the world, starting with China.
From there, it would make sense to invade India and South Asia, South-east Asia, the Middle East and other countries to ensure that the dollar remains the de facto "gold" of the modern world. Europe as well?
Can you imagine the death toll? The death count in the billions? The nuclear holocaust and fallout? The hellfire and muties roaming the land?
Like I said, I look forward to learning more about his economic policies haha
acceptance
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I don't think Oct 7 and what has transpired since are comparable. And Oct 7 was not even what you have probably been lead to believe anyways. Most of the Israeli civilians were killed by the IDF in a mass "Hannibal" directive. I also disagree that Hamas "started it." Israel started it in 1948 and has maintained apartheid conditions for the Palestinian population since. Also, in case you didn't know, Israel itself propped up Hamas going back to the 1980's so as to counter the secular PLO. Israel has directly funded Hamas. Even as recently as 2019 Netanyahu is on record saying that if you want to avert a two state solution you need to support Hamas (Because we can't negotiate with "Terrorists") and because they divide the Palestinian Authority.
nightlight
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What? Israel didn't kill its people, man, I guarantee that. It was a terror attack and around 1,200 people lost their lives.
I don't support the Israeli actions, if that's what you're thinking. As I stated, they clearly indicate genocidal intent, with government ministers stating their intent to conduct ethnic cleansing by forcing the Palestinians off their land.
I just don't support Hamas either, I don't like terror groups.
If there's a war in the Middle East, it could flare up, that's certainly true. America would get involved, and I do not think Iran would be able to resist for long. There would be violent resistance though, lots of US troop deaths. And if Russia or North Korea decide to act to support Iran, things could get bad, with China also drawn in and then the rest of Europe.
That danger is even more present in Ukraine, where North Korean boots are on the ground fighting for Russia and Iran is supplying drones. China is also helping Russia evade Western sanctions, while Europe and the West are sending ever deadlier weapons to assist the Ukrainians.
Floyd Eye
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My point is unless The US declares war on Israel, no one will be rounding up Jews again anytime soon.
If you think the US not sending arms to Israel will kneecap Israel you’re out of your mind.
And you clearly have some deep seated hatred of Jews and Israel. What else can explain the fact that you will take the word of known, proven terrorists over the word of literally the entire Israeli nation.