For Sale Unkle Johns at it again. 20 plus yr old Randy Rhoads. DEAD MINT

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DanTravis62 said:
Man that sucks, this guitar is so badass.
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Yeah, it is. Like I'd mentioned it's a beautiful guitar and in overall excellent condition. I don't know how to value the damage and don't live near any Luthiers I'd know to fix it. I know they say light super glue and ebony dust but I wouldn't trust myself to try on this guitar without any experience, especially if a propery fix requires removing the frets.

I think all my messages are being ignored so likely aren't being seen but I'm open to working this out amicably. I'm also not trying to get hung up when the damage occured, I do agree it could've been overlooked when shipping. We're all gearheads here so I'm not trying to get off on a bad foot.
 
John4021 said:
Once again.
Cracks were not there when I shipped it.
I went from my zero temperate climate to his warmer climate .
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EDIT: I see others have pointed this out, as these are easily seen. I did not even have to use any contrast or tools at all and neither did anyone else.



OP:



Hey man, hate to say this, but I actually investigate patterns and small things like erasures of old ink markings within mauscripts and such and.... the fretboard has cracks in the original picture YOU posted. Look here:
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These line up exactly with his photos after he received the guitar. They were definitely there before shipping, as seen within your original posting at the top of this thread. You may not have seen them somehow or maybe they weren't as severe but they were totally there. I do not see how you could deny that AT ALL at this point. Sorry.

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To further support this, another photo of a crack is shown here in the original post and I would judge it to be by the 5th -7th fret
 

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Agreed. There goes whatever reputation you’ve worked on building over the years, OP. I consider myself relatively new here and have only bought something from Wayne. Seeing this thread play out in public without any accountability from the seller is just astonishing.

It doesn’t matter if the crack was there before you shipped the guitar @John4021. The onus is on the seller to ensure that whatever the buyer purchases gets into their hands in the stated condition. If it was “DEAD MINT” with “NO FRET WEAR” and the guitar doesn’t show up like that, it doesn’t matter what you say.

You’ve failed your buyer. Make it right.
 
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phillybhatesme said:
It doesn’t matter if the crack was there before you shipped the guitar @John4021. The onus is on the seller to ensure that whatever the buyer purchases gets into their hands in the stated condition. If it was “DEAD MINT” with “NO FRET WEAR” and the guitar doesn’t show up like that, it doesn’t matter what you say.
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This statement is pretty naive as it relates to shipping gear, things can happen in shipping. If the crack wasn't there and the guitar was mint (10 out of 10) and then it arrives in a condition where the guitar took a hit, headstock crack, fretboard lift, cracks, dings etc - then that's why sellers insure gear via the shipping company. However, knowing John and seeing his dealings on here for YEARS - this is probably an oversight on his part. The pic showing the fretboard in his FS ad and after it arrived look quite different.
 
WizardSouth-JP said:
This statement is pretty naive as it relates to shipping gear, things can happen in shipping. If the crack wasn't there and the guitar was mint (10 out of 10) and then it arrives in a condition where the guitar took a hit, headstock crack, fretboard lift, cracks, dings etc - then that's why sellers insure gear via the shipping company. However, knowing John and seeing his dealings on here for YEARS - this is probably an oversight on his part. The pic showing the fretboard in his FS ad and after it arrived look quite different.
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I meant that it doesn’t matter from the buyer’s perspective. Yes, of course it matters to the seller. The seller’s recourse is with the shipping company at that point. But all of that gets handled after the seller says, “oh shoot, sorry, send it back and I’ll deal with the shipping company” to the buyer.
 
By no means am I attempting to discredit Innogator's situation, really, I feel he has been extremely patient and a gentleman, but purely related to a discussion on whether or not the neck was damaged prior to shipping, AND what was or what was not visible in the original photos...I have multiple guitars with ebony fretboards, so.... even if I look at one that is relatively new (i.e. 2020s) I can see visible "lines" running vertically in the wood that are not shadows from a string. Seeing these, I would not refer to them as cracks per se, but rather imperfections in an imperfect wood. Not having been there when the guitar was packed, nor when the photos were taken, I am only sharing my experience, but I hope we can be reasonable when conducting autopsies on photos. Cleveland has been ARcTIC and our homes are dry from months of blowing heat, even if humidifers are used. Whether this plays a part, I don't know.
 
A third party that knows John reached out to me last night and seems like they may be able to help mediate things a little. I can't speculate on anyone's specific circumstances but I will give John the benefit of the doubt here and hopefully we can find a way to move forward. I appreciate all the feedback in the thread though, glad to see the community focused on doing the right thing.
 
Ok, this "MIGHT" explain why John didnt know or didnt notice the cracks in the board before shipping. I have a custom made guitar that has cracks in the board much worse than whats in the pics. Things is, when the strings are tuned to pitch and tension is on the neck you can still see the cracks but you have to inspect the board. When you detune the guitar or do a string change holy shit the board opens up like crazy. Deep slices that run all the way up and down the board. Its pretty ridiculous.

Now I am not saying or making excuses and have no idea what tuning etc... I am just sharing that I have mystery cracks that disappear and appear depending on tension on the neck. Innogator, hope you get it straightened out.
 
John4021 said:
I stand up to my dealings. I cannot control what happens in shipping.
There is a member here doing a mediation to smooth things out.
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I’m not involved in this but I was interested in buying the guitar so I have kept up with this.


1 - Nobody can control what happens during shipping. But it’s 100% on the shipper to make sure the guitar arrives in as described condition. That’s the rule always.

2 - Your original pics show a crack. Maybe not as long as the one he showed but there is a crack there. Secondly, maybe you didn’t notice it. But it was there.

3 - it looks like the crack had received some sort of glue in the past. There is a residue on the higher fret cracks.

4 - Guitar was sold as dead mint. It’s not. That not the buyers issue.

I owned a few Jackson’s and 2 had this issue. I sold them because of it and discounted the price heavily.
 
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