For Sale Unkle Johns at it again. 20 plus yr old Randy Rhoads. DEAD MINT

[WizardSouth-JP]

Some of yall need help. It’s a $2500 guitar not a 1960’s Ferrari. Luthiers and guitar repair shops exist for many reasons - UPS and FedEx probably are on their Christmas Card list each year. I don’t think John is devious or deceptive as I’ve had many dealings with him so that would be out of character for him. On another note, when selling on Reverb or on here I rarely list anything as “mint” unless I haven’t played it more than a couple times. Some folks have a difference of opinion in what constitutes “mint.” A 20 year old guitar in most cases isn’t gonna be mint if it was played. Fret wear, dings, pick scratches, etc - now the fretboard is a little different, you guys must be Sherlock Holmes - wood can definitely expand and contract going from different climates. I’m confident this will be resolved as there’s good folks on here for the most part. I remember way back when SteveK sold an amp to a guy that bitched about it having marks on the tolex where amp feet had been on it from stacking amps on top of one another. His logic and reply was one I’d agree with “it’s an amp, not a @&$#ing MERCEDES BENZ”
My .02

 

[Smash]

I’m not involved in this but I was interested in buying the guitar so I have kept up with this.


1 - Nobody can control what happens during shipping. But it’s 100% on the shipper to make sure the guitar arrives in as described condition. That’s the rule always.

2 - Your original pics show a crack. Maybe not as long as the one he showed but there is a crack there. Secondly, maybe you didn’t notice it. But it was there.

3 - it looks like the crack had received some sort of glue in the past. There is a residue on the higher fret cracks.

4 - Guitar was sold as dead mint. It’s not. That not the buyers issue.

I owned a few Jackson’s and 2 had this issue. I sold them because of it and discounted the price heavily.

Welcome to the thread, brother.

 

[GuitarGuy08]

Welp, I can tell you who I will never buy a piece of gear from.

 

[innogator]

Some of yall need help. It’s a $2500 guitar not a 1960’s Ferrari. Luthiers and guitar repair shops exist for many reasons - UPS and FedEx probably are on their Christmas Card list each year. I don’t think John is devious or deceptive as I’ve had many dealings with him so that would be out of character for him. On another note, when selling on Reverb or on here I rarely list anything as “mint” unless I haven’t played it more than a couple times. Some folks have a difference of opinion in what constitutes “mint.” A 20 year old guitar in most cases isn’t gonna be mint if it was played. Fret wear, dings, pick scratches, etc - now the fretboard is a little different, you guys must be Sherlock Holmes - wood can definitely expand and contract going from different climates. I’m confident this will be resolved as there’s good folks on here for the most part. I remember way back when SteveK sold an amp to a guy that bitched about it having marks on the tolex where amp feet had been on it from stacking amps on top of one another. His logic and reply was one I’d agree with “it’s an amp, not a @&$#ing MERCEDES BENZ”
My .02

It's a $2500 guitar, not a $300 Squier. Despite what may be common on this forum, this is not an insignificant amount of money for a guitar. A lot of ways to describe condtion are subjective but the verbage used in this ad was not. "ZERO FRET WEAR" doesn't mean "not a lot of fret wear for a 20 year old guitar".

I do agree with not listing things as mint and I almost never do because of fear I've overlooked something. When the description is as detailed and adamant as the description in this ad then that doesn't leave very much subjectivity.

 

[GuitarGuy08]

It's a $2500 guitar, not a $300 Squier. Despite what may be common on this forum, this is not an insignificant amount of money for a guitar. A lot of ways to describe condtion are subjective but the verbage used in this ad was not. "ZERO FRET WEAR" doesn't mean "not a lot of fret wear for a 20 year old guitar".

I do agree with not listing things as mint and I almost never do because of fear I've overlooked something. When the description is as detailed and adamant as the description in this ad then that doesn't leave very much subjectivity.

It took me 20 years before I could spend $2k on ANY piece of gear so...yeah. Also, that was froma custom builder who ended up screwing me by also not disclosing damage that was there before shipping, and then claimed it was shipping and upon investigating the original photos, he was wrong and all of them were clearly there, in high detail. He still tried to deny it and then tried to charge me for shipping both ways. It's sad. That builder was LEF guitars. I ended up getting a Lacello for less due to a great deal but that is still the most I have dropped on any of my gear and probably ever will so..... yep. I was a studio guitarist and vocalist and did not need expensive gear to do all sorts of music and sessions.

 

[phillybhatesme]

Some of yall need help. It’s a $2500 guitar not a 1960’s Ferrari. Luthiers and guitar repair shops exist for many reasons - UPS and FedEx probably are on their Christmas Card list each year. I don’t think John is devious or deceptive as I’ve had many dealings with him so that would be out of character for him. On another note, when selling on Reverb or on here I rarely list anything as “mint” unless I haven’t played it more than a couple times. Some folks have a difference of opinion in what constitutes “mint.” A 20 year old guitar in most cases isn’t gonna be mint if it was played. Fret wear, dings, pick scratches, etc - now the fretboard is a little different, you guys must be Sherlock Holmes - wood can definitely expand and contract going from different climates. I’m confident this will be resolved as there’s good folks on here for the most part. I remember way back when SteveK sold an amp to a guy that bitched about it having marks on the tolex where amp feet had been on it from stacking amps on top of one another. His logic and reply was one I’d agree with “it’s an amp, not a @&$#ing MERCEDES BENZ”
My .02

Some of yall need help. It’s a $2500 guitar not a 1960’s Ferrari. Luthiers and guitar repair shops exist for many reasons - UPS and FedEx probably are on their Christmas Card list each year. I don’t think John is devious or deceptive as I’ve had many dealings with him so that would be out of character for him. On another note, when selling on Reverb or on here I rarely list anything as “mint” unless I haven’t played it more than a couple times. Some folks have a difference of opinion in what constitutes “mint.” A 20 year old guitar in most cases isn’t gonna be mint if it was played. Fret wear, dings, pick scratches, etc - now the fretboard is a little different, you guys must be Sherlock Holmes - wood can definitely expand and contract going from different climates. I’m confident this will be resolved as there’s good folks on here for the most part. I remember way back when SteveK sold an amp to a guy that bitched about it having marks on the tolex where amp feet had been on it from stacking amps on top of one another. His logic and reply was one I’d agree with “it’s an amp, not a @&$#ing MERCEDES BENZ”

Y’all two can count your riches on the way to the banks. The rest of us are absolutely going to call out bullshit practices by shitty sellers when the guitar costs 2500.
Fuck outta here with this cockamamie response.

 

[marvcus]

Some of yall need help….[snip]

Wow dude. Wow.

 

[WizardSouth-JP]

Y’all two can count your riches on the way to the banks. The rest of us are absolutely going to call out bullshit practices by shitty sellers when the guitar costs 2500.
Fuck outta here with this cockamamie response.

How about you GTFO! A 20 year old guitar is what it is - I ain’t Joe Bonamassa but I’m wise enough to know that a 20 year old guitar is gonna have some issues.

 

[GuitarGuy08]

How about you GTFO! A 20 year old guitar is what it is - I ain’t Joe Bonamassa but I’m wise enough to know that a 20 year old guitar is gonna have some issues.

I have a 21 year old bass that has been gigged and other than a bit of rash on the back is extremely nice looking.

I have another 20, year old bass I recently bought that looks dead mint, you know, as the seller described....

 

[WizardSouth-JP]

I have a 21 year old bass that has been gigged and other than a bit of rash on the back is extremely nice looking.

I have another 20, year old bass I recently bought that looks dead mint, you know, as the seller described....

Again my point that mint for some ain’t mint for others - the thread sucks - my point was and is - as long as I’ve been on here, apparently too damn long by many of the comments I’m reading - John has been a guy that’s honest, never an issue, never a sketchy deal, and MANY OTHER PEOPLE would have the same opinion. So this transaction is hard to understand but people will keep piling on their and flame him without getting/or believing a guy who’s been on here for a long ass time with ZERO ISSUES. Say what you want but he’s got a good rep, why would he start doing sketchy shit now?

 

[GuitarGuy08]

Again my point that mint for some ain’t mint for others - the thread sucks - my point was and is - as long as I’ve been on here, apparently too damn long by many of the comments I’m reading - John has been a guy that’s honest, never an issue, never a sketchy deal, and MANY OTHER PEOPLE would have the same opinion. So this transaction is hard to understand but people will keep piling on their and flame him without getting/or believing a guy who’s been on here for a long ass time with ZERO ISSUES. Say what you want but he’s got a good rep, why would he start doing sketchy shit now?

I am a person of the present. He clearly sent a guitar that is not mint by any stretch of the imagination. The crack was known about, evident by the crack itself and the glue in an attempted repair.

I don't care how cool someone has been in the past with others, doesn't mean they won't make a mistake and then not do the right thing.

That's clearly what this appears to be. Even the communication, which is clearly shown, is NOT a person who is trying to do the right thing CURRENTLY regardless of their past actions.

 

[Rocker68]

I am a person of the present. He clearly sent a guitar that is not mint by any stretch of the imagination. The crack was known about, evident by the crack itself and the glue in an attempted repair.

I don't care how cool someone has been in the past with others, doesn't mean they won't make a mistake and then not do the right thing.

That's clearly what this appears to be. Even the communication, which is clearly shown, is NOT a person who is trying to do the right thing CURRENTLY regardless of their past actions.

Wow dude. Wow

 

[WizardSouth-JP]

I am a person of the present. He clearly sent a guitar that is not mint by any stretch of the imagination. The crack was known about, evident by the crack itself and the glue in an attempted repair.

I don't care how cool someone has been in the past with others, doesn't mean they won't make a mistake and then not do the right thing.

That's clearly what this appears to be. Even the communication, which is clearly shown, is NOT a person who is trying to do the right thing CURRENTLY regardless of their past actions.

Well I give my friends the benefit of the doubt, not pour gasoline on them if they’re on fire. YMMV

I’ve dealt with John many times, text him fairly regularly, talk to him on the phone on occasion…so I’m still gonna try to give him grace - despite the blood in the water shark mentality. I may be wrong but I won’t flame him like some of you guys. OUT

 

[marvcus]

Some of yall need help. It’s a $2500 guitar not a 1960’s Ferrari. Luthiers and guitar repair shops exist for many reasons

You’ve been D1 glazing John4021 pretty hard here. But he has yet to produce any additional hi res pics of the “before” condition.

“Mint” means mint. “NO FRET WARE” means no fret wear. We all know what that means. You don't misrepresent if it’s not that.

That’s called bait & switch, fraud, bad faith, deceit, and several other unsavory terms. While I doubt the guy was trying to be malicious, it’s pretty telling how unaccountable he has been. Hope it was worth it because his reach to sell just got exponentially smaller.

 

[WizardSouth-JP]

You’ve been D1 glazing John4021 pretty hard here. But he has yet to produce any additional hi res pics of the “before” condition.

“Mint” means mint. “NO FRET WARE” means no fret wear. We all know what that means. You don't misrepresent if it’s not that.

That’s called bait & switch, fraud, bad faith, deceipt, and several other unsavory terms. While I doubt the guy was trying to be malicious, it’s pretty telling how unaccountable he has been. Jope it was worth it because his reach to sell just got exponentially smaller.

Your point is valid if I didn’t known John - my point is it would be out of character for a guy that’s been in here without issue. Some people ASSume the worst. Others give people they KNOW the benefit of the doubt. Guess I’m old fashioned.

 

[GuitarGuy08]

Wow dude. Wow

Well I give my friends the benefit of the doubt, not pour gasoline on them if they’re on fire. YMMV

I’ve dealt with John many times, text him fairly regularly, talk to him on the phone on occasion…so I’m still gonna try to give him grace - despite the blood in the water shark mentality. I may be wrong but I won’t flame him like some of you guys. OUT

What's wow about that? I am saying that I don't even think the guy MEANT to sell him a 'bad' guitar, but after review, he should see that he is wrong and do his best to make it right, what is so crazy about this idea? I am not saying he is a bad guy, I am saying it clearly is a bad situation. Who is in control to rectify this? The seller, primarily.

If damage happened during shipping as he states, and could have, it is still on the shipper, not the receiver. The shipper takes the item back and deals with the delivery service.

 

[WizardSouth-JP]

What's wow about that? I am saying that I don't even think the guy MEANT to sell him a 'bad' guitar, but after review, he should see that he is wrong and do his best to make it right, what is so crazy about this idea? I am not saying he is a bad guy, I am saying it clearly is a bad situation. Who is in control to rectify this? The seller, primarily.

You guys have NEVER shipped anything that left your possession in PERFECT CONDITION and then arrived beat to shit? Damn I may be the only one. Has happened literally dozens of times as like MANY of the people on here have bought and sold way too much stuff. Just because something arrived in bad shape doesn’t mean it left his possession like that. Perfect example…I sold a DEAD MINT Mesa 4x12 in the original packaging and UPS absolutely destroyed the original packaging and the buyer was livid thinking I sold him a cab that was beat to hell - even though UPS smoked the box, tore a massive hole in it, patched it with part of a flatscreen TV box - all of which was out of my control.

 

[GuitarGuy08]

You guys have NEVER shipped anything that left your possession in PERFECT CONDITION and then arrived beat to shit? Damn I may be the only one. Has happened literally dozens of times as like MANY of the people on here have bought and sold way too much stuff. Just because something arrived in bad shape doesn’t mean it left his possession like that. Perfect example…I sold a DEAD MINT Mesa 4x12 in the original packaging and UPS absolutely destroyed the original packaging and the buyer was livid thinking I sold him a cab that was beat to hell - even though UPS smoked the box, tore a massive hole in it, patched it with part of a flatscreen TV box - all of which was out of my control.

Yeah man, I did not say it was in his control. If an item is damaged during shipment, that is on the seller, not the receiver.

Whether it had the stuff before and was not seen, or if it was damaged during transit, it is the seller's responsibility.

I have been fairly simple and clear and honestly, I have no skin in the game anyway.

I wish the best for both parties in their current and future dealings

 

[NowYou'rePlayingWithPower]

So, is the guitar for sale or not?

 

[innogator]

So, is the guitar for sale or not?

It could be but the logistics could get tricky

I do feel like I need to disclose... the fretboard does have a crack...