Van Halen F.U.C.K. album

[paulyc]

There's Eventide on EVERYTHING from VHII.

 

[Rdodson]

I think the tone on F.U.C.K. is well-liked because the overall production was so much better than the previous two records, especially OU812. It had the best drum sound Alex ever got, and MA's bass (ok, was Ed playing the bass on the records at that point?) sat great in the mix. The guitar tone/timbre was good, but the gain was too high for me (and I never was a fan of the Eventide when it got past Drop Dead Legs levels).

I know it is heresy but for me Drop Dead Legs and Girl Gone Bad, which were the '58 V into the old Marshall, was Ed's best tone ever. Top of the World used a similar setup on the basic rhythm track (but was overdubbed like crazy).

 

[jiveturkey]

Listening now for probably the first time. I dug everything up to 5150. Album is actually good but usual Hagar lyrical dreck is present. "Call her up on the Spankline"? Wow haha! Always liked his voice but I really wish he would have had someone else write lyrics

 

[Michi]

Kinda sad looking back through this thread and seeing a couple of cool dudes (and EVH tone chasers) who are no longer with us.

Was thinking the same thing yesterday

 

[petejt]

I've been listening to Hot for Teacher a lot lately. I keep hearing a chorusing effect- not too much but it has that w i i i de sound about it.

Is that just the MXR flanger run on one side of the signal, with a dry signal on the other side?

Or studio post-processing trickery?

Or did the Eventide 949 creep in as early as 1983?...

You can definitely hear a chorus (or something) on the clean parts of that tune - the solo too.

I can hear much of it during the solo, but I do hear that "chimeyness" on the bluesy 'clean' bits. I hear more of a chorused "swirl" during the crunchy bits where"I'm hot for teacher" are sung. It sounds really cool, and not 'shrill' like later albums.

 

[petejt]

I've been listening to Hot for Teacher a lot lately. I keep hearing a chorusing effect- not too much but it has that w i i i de sound about it.

Is that just the MXR flanger run on one side of the signal, with a dry signal on the other side?

Or studio post-processing trickery?

Or did the Eventide 949 creep in as early as 1983?...

There's Eventide on almost every guitar part on 1984…

For the record, he was using the Eventides as early as VHII - The Eventide 910 is used on the chimey tapping to the intro of "Women In Love"

Steve

Wow....I was expecting it was at least after 1986...

However though I'm fairly new to the EVH tone discussions.


If Eddie used the Eventide as early as VHII, then why did his guitar tone become so "processed" and 'shrill' sounding later on? To the point where it thinned his tone rather than widen it?

Or is it that he just got carried away with it and cranked it up through the roof?

 

[Rdodson]

I've been listening to Hot for Teacher a lot lately. I keep hearing a chorusing effect- not too much but it has that w i i i de sound about it.

Is that just the MXR flanger run on one side of the signal, with a dry signal on the other side?

Or studio post-processing trickery?

Or did the Eventide 949 creep in as early as 1983?...

There's Eventide on almost every guitar part on 1984…

For the record, he was using the Eventides as early as VHII - The Eventide 910 is used on the chimey tapping to the intro of "Women In Love"

Steve

Wow....I was expecting it was at least after 1986...

However though I'm fairly new to the EVH tone discussions.


If Eddie used the Eventide as early as VHII, then why did his guitar tone become so "processed" and 'shrill' sounding later on? To the point where it thinned his tone rather than widen it?

Or is it that he just got carried away with it and cranked it up through the roof?

This. He was substituting processing for gain, and by '88 the Marshall had been butchered a bit (not historically correct transformers).

 

[AndyK]

There's Eventide on EVERYTHING from VHII.

I don't think there's any on Hang Em High, a tonal highlight from Diver Down, IMHO.

 

[Audiowonderland]

I never really paid much attention to this album but today I am listening to it at work and the tone just kills. Anybody have any idea on what he was using? Is this SLO?

Also, I hear some sort of chorusing or detuning going on. Anybody know what that was and was it recorded that way from the amp or added during mixdown?

It is an SLO...

W/D/W setup with an Eventide H3000 set for stereo micropitchshift and delay (+9/-9 cents L/R, 250 ms delay L/450 ms delay R). All three cabs (1 dry straight from the head) mic'd and mixed. You don't want a lot of the stereo effects - just low in the mix - kinda icing on the cake if you will...

(You can get the same effect of the Axe-FX...)

That will get you the tone exactly. I know because I used to have a SLO and an Eventide H3000-D/SX

Steve

Its been a lot of years but I don't recall ever hearing they recorded the w/d/w rig in the studio. It doesn't make any sense to do that when you can use the Eventide as an effect send in the mix.

 

[petejt]

I've been listening to Hot for Teacher a lot lately. I keep hearing a chorusing effect- not too much but it has that w i i i de sound about it.

Is that just the MXR flanger run on one side of the signal, with a dry signal on the other side?

Or studio post-processing trickery?

Or did the Eventide 949 creep in as early as 1983?...

There's Eventide on almost every guitar part on 1984…

For the record, he was using the Eventides as early as VHII - The Eventide 910 is used on the chimey tapping to the intro of "Women In Love"

Steve

Wow....I was expecting it was at least after 1986...

However though I'm fairly new to the EVH tone discussions.


If Eddie used the Eventide as early as VHII, then why did his guitar tone become so "processed" and 'shrill' sounding later on? To the point where it thinned his tone rather than widen it?

Or is it that he just got carried away with it and cranked it up through the roof?

This. He was substituting processing for gain, and by '88 the Marshall had been butchered a bit (not historically correct transformers).

Ah okay.

 

[steve2112]

I have grown to really hate that stereo spread chorused out tone. Gilbert had that going on the first Mr. Big album and his tone had more in common with a synth IMHO. Satriani used to to go for the spread out stereo tone and he ditched it for the Crystal Planet album and that's when his tone sounded better. For clean sounds chorus is pretty cool but it takes all the raw balls out of dirty hard rock tone.

i fully agree with everything you said here. It's a good assessment and a good rule of thumb. However...one guy I think did an awesome superhuman job with stereo chorus + distortion is Alex Lifeson. It's his signature sound and sounds dman pleasing. There are times where you don't even realize he's using it. Now...I am still fond of his aggressive raw ATWAS playing and tone. But...his GUP era tone and playing has a place in my listening library and guitar tone arsenal. It appeals to my higher brain rather than lizard part.

 

[JB6464]

I don't mind the stereo spread with the Eventide , I just can't stand EVH tones after the 5150 CD , and I play Soldano amps .
I would much rather hear his tone he had on LWAN tour with his Marshall amps and the stereo rig for what he does .

 

[LLEADD]

I don't mind the stereo spread with the Eventide , I just can't stand EVH tones after the 5150 CD , and I play Soldano amps .
I would much rather hear his tone he had on LWAN tour with his Marshall amps and the stereo rig for what he does .

What Marshall's would those be?
I think he stop taking his main one on tour long ago.

 

[JB6464]

He had a slew of Marshall amps on that tour from old JTM to JMP amps but they were all four holers.
I'll see if i can dig up the backstage photo of his rig and rack.

 

[JB6464]

Here's a webpage showing Eddies different live rigs .

The second part in the middle of the page is his LWAN setup with all the Marshall amps and rack gear, same pic I had somewhere on my computer , lol.

http://www.wolfgangregistry.com/5150-in ... e-rig.html

 

[paulyc]

I never really paid much attention to this album but today I am listening to it at work and the tone just kills. Anybody have any idea on what he was using? Is this SLO?

Also, I hear some sort of chorusing or detuning going on. Anybody know what that was and was it recorded that way from the amp or added during mixdown?

It is an SLO...

W/D/W setup with an Eventide H3000 set for stereo micropitchshift and delay (+9/-9 cents L/R, 250 ms delay L/450 ms delay R). All three cabs (1 dry straight from the head) mic'd and mixed. You don't want a lot of the stereo effects - just low in the mix - kinda icing on the cake if you will...

(You can get the same effect of the Axe-FX...)

That will get you the tone exactly. I know because I used to have a SLO and an Eventide H3000-D/SX

Steve

Which is how it was done.
Its been a lot of years but I don't recall ever hearing they recorded the w/d/w rig in the studio. It doesn't make any sense to do that when you can use the Eventide as an effect send in the mix.

 

[charvelstrat81]

He also used a SUHR C.A.E pre amp on F.U.C.K
and the track judgement day is the original Frankenstein not the EBMM guitar.
I really love the tone he got on the show that was used to record " right here right now live"

that's the way a 5150 should sound

 

[reverymike]

Actually, it's the 5150 guitar used on Judgement Day. . .not the Frankenstein.

And, yep, the CAE pre was used on The Dream Is Over.

 

[Racerxrated]

But mostly SLO right? I'm not a fan of that 5150 tone, but I am a fan of every other VH album tone..some more than others. I would rank them VHI, VHII, Fair Warning then F.U.C.K.

 

[charvelstrat81]

But mostly SLO right? I'm not a fan of that 5150 tone, but I am a fan of every other VH album tone..some more than others. I would rank them VHI, VHII, Fair Warning then F.U.C.K.

yeah according to andy johns ed used that for 95% of the record

my list goes, VH I,FW,VH II,WACF,1984,diver down
for the hager stuff i only liked his live tone on that RHRN show i posted.
I dont care for the tone he got with the SLO, i heard that amp sound so much better
is is a GOD of a amp, love em!