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Lord Toneking
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My buddy has one of those Boss pedals he said i could have. Anyone know what I would set it at to get that pitch de-tuned sound??
rcm78
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Lord Toneking":t6lfk0kz said:
They have a detune setting.
OBGYNkanobi
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To my understanding, Ed used the SLO for quite a bit of the lead work oN F.U.C.K. The majority of the stuff was done using one of Steve Lukather's modded Marshalls that had one of John Suhr's FX loops in it and a prototype preamp that John was developing at the time. Ed wound up using the SLO on a few tracks because John needed the prototype back, so they could begin production. From what I've read, they weren't really happy with the 5150 and it wasn't used very much, if at all, on that album. I think that VH3 
was the only album that he used it on, with the exception of the bonus tracks on the greatest hits albums. I have to say, the tone on "Me Wise Magic" sounds like a 5150; a fuzzed out, mud bomb; not like what I hear on F.U.C.K. or Balance.
If I'm not mistaken, this was about the time that John worked on Ed's main Plexi as well. It was pretty much still stock in those days. It got sent to some guy in the Netherlands a few years later and became a royal mess until Dave Freidman brought it back to life last year, using donor parts from a Plexi, Matt Bruck's I think, that was very close in serial #.
IMHO, Steve is right though; the micro-pitch shift is a big part of that sound. If I'm not mistaken, Ed was also using G12T-75s for his wet side cabs in addition to the usual greenbacks around that time too. I'm pretty sure the slaving was done using a load box built by Bob Bradshaw into an H&H V-800 power amp that powered the wet side cabs. Luke's Marshall was just a power amp for the Suhr preamp.
It ain't VH1-Fair Warning, but I think it doesn't get the props it deserves. IMHO, It's still better than 90% of the generic guitar tones from the late 80's/early 90's.
was the only album that he used it on, with the exception of the bonus tracks on the greatest hits albums. I have to say, the tone on "Me Wise Magic" sounds like a 5150; a fuzzed out, mud bomb; not like what I hear on F.U.C.K. or Balance. If I'm not mistaken, this was about the time that John worked on Ed's main Plexi as well. It was pretty much still stock in those days. It got sent to some guy in the Netherlands a few years later and became a royal mess until Dave Freidman brought it back to life last year, using donor parts from a Plexi, Matt Bruck's I think, that was very close in serial #.
IMHO, Steve is right though; the micro-pitch shift is a big part of that sound. If I'm not mistaken, Ed was also using G12T-75s for his wet side cabs in addition to the usual greenbacks around that time too. I'm pretty sure the slaving was done using a load box built by Bob Bradshaw into an H&H V-800 power amp that powered the wet side cabs. Luke's Marshall was just a power amp for the Suhr preamp.
It ain't VH1-Fair Warning, but I think it doesn't get the props it deserves. IMHO, It's still better than 90% of the generic guitar tones from the late 80's/early 90's.
jkdsteve
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I really like the tone on this and the follow up, Balance...heck I loved OU812 too, so what do I know? 
Badronald
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Yeah. I've deleted that album off my Ipod like 10 times. I keep trying, but the guitar tone ruins it for me. 
Dale B
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Scott Ians Beard":2dg0equx said:
That song is ALL SLO. I haven't ever heard a Marshall sound exactly like either of the SLOs I've owned. It isn't a 5150, and it isn't a CAE 3+ either.
mentoneman
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petejt":nl6xkmwo said:mboogman":nl6xkmwo said:
Haha
I bumped it because I've been experimenting with my Chroma Chorus, and remembered that I mentioned it in this thread so wanted to see if anyone had commented on it. I thought what Mentoneman said about the Eventide and tri-stereo chorus really interesting, so I want to find out more about them.
early VH tone = raw young lions staking claim to the rock crown with eddie's tone as the cannon on the deck of the sonic juggernaut. focused, dripping with anger and meant to hurt.
5150 hagar bromance = radio friendly love songs with happy go lucky solos and eventide chorus/pitch shift rhythm tone for huge stereo spread and the demise of the brown sound.
NWOBHM roots with a taste for platinum songwriting anthems and master ears mutt lange cracking the aural whip for big payoffs. tri stereo turned their dry garage band dime a dozen marshall tone into 24 karat radio darlings
http://www.guitar9.com/talesfromthebulge.html
master tone studio guru mike landau taking a little eddie attenuated marshall soldano tube meltdown trickery and applying the top of the line bradshaw rack decorations and studio mastery for 4D tone results. the definitive rack tone recording of all time.
supersonic
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It sounds a like a SLO to me. Nothing else sounds like that. I remember Ed was using a SLO at that time along with his newly released EBMM sig guitar. As mentioned his Plexi had a fatal meltdown and was out of action.Dale B":24ncnnpm said:
petejt
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But Pat, what do you actually mean by "phase-scooped" when referring to chorusing?
Is phase-scooping just a case when using:
Like this one?
Is this the case of the processes involved to create the effect, and how the processes affects the dirty tone/s?
And that it sounds particularly so, when compared to:
So you're saying you consider this is "tri stereo chorus to me sounds jucier and less phase scooped while still giving the tone motion and space"?
And this as well? That the rackmounted tri-stereo chorused sound is "jucier and less phase scooped while still giving the tone motion and space?
And this? I've got the video of Mike recording the guitar track somewhere, which I will upload in due course...(although there's a suspicion it's more SPX-90 than Tri-Stereo...)
Is phase-scooping just a case when using:
?mentoneman":3l2fw5ip said:
Like this one?
mentoneman":3l2fw5ip said:
Is this the case of the processes involved to create the effect, and how the processes affects the dirty tone/s?
And that it sounds particularly so, when compared to:
mentoneman":3l2fw5ip said:
mentoneman":3l2fw5ip said:
So you're saying you consider this is "tri stereo chorus to me sounds jucier and less phase scooped while still giving the tone motion and space"?
And this as well? That the rackmounted tri-stereo chorused sound is "jucier and less phase scooped while still giving the tone motion and space?
mentoneman":3l2fw5ip said:
And this? I've got the video of Mike recording the guitar track somewhere, which I will upload in due course...(although there's a suspicion it's more SPX-90 than Tri-Stereo...)
rupe
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Cool...same with my Blue Oyster Cult CDs, they never leave my VEGAmegamike":26r6adev said:
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Meathead
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Love it! Some great recordings of guitar tones here. I can listen to Hysteria and just get lulled away listening to how well that album was blended with all those clever guitar tracks, near perfection... Landau had some "better than EVH" tones on Tales From The Bulge.mentoneman":6bwpnnqu said:
Digital Jams
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Petejr!!!!!!
You just don't go yelling for the Sage of Tone to answer your questions!
The Sage comes when he feels he is needed!
You just don't go yelling for the Sage of Tone to answer your questions!
The Sage comes when he feels he is needed!
mentoneman
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petejt said:
mentoneman
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Digital Jams":1flhkqsn said:
i can't tell if he really needs help because he is lost in a mire of effects, or just flat out disagrees and is trying to bait me into saying something for the "AHA" contradiction pounce....
it's a little odd
Digital Jams
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mentoneman":2z7nvcx2 said:Digital Jams":2z7nvcx2 said:
i can't tell if he really needs help because he is lost in a mire of effects, or just flat out disagrees and is trying to bait me into saying something for the "AHA" contradiction pounce....
it's a little odd
From what I know he is a fellow chorus nut
Nurture him Pat, lead him to the proper fountain of wet.
mixohoytian
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I liked for unlawful carnal knowledge...but wish I could erase sammy's vox and replace it w/ Roth's running with the devil solo track...
Little B
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Ive had Balance in my cd player for months now...for some reason I just cant get enough of it......but unlaw.carn. is excellent too...!!!!!!jkdsteve":37lst8gn said:I really like the tone on this and the follow up, Balance...heck I loved OU812 too, so what do I know?
petejt
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mentoneman":19431wjc said:Digital Jams":19431wjc said:
i can't tell if he really needs help because he is lost in a mire of effects, or just flat out disagrees and is trying to bait me into saying something for the "AHA" contradiction pounce....
it's a little odd
Noooooooooooo! I'm not trying to bait ya! I'm just trying to learn about this stuff!
Specifically what you meant by "phase-scooped".
petejt
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Digital Jams":3jzla27o said:
bahahaha!
Sorry if I appear pushy, I'm just curious and keen
petejt
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Digital Jams":1oqs6rmb said:mentoneman":1oqs6rmb said:Digital Jams":1oqs6rmb said:
i can't tell if he really needs help because he is lost in a mire of effects, or just flat out disagrees and is trying to bait me into saying something for the "AHA" contradiction pounce....
it's a little odd
From what I know he is a fellow chorus nut
Nurture him Pat, lead him to the proper fountain of wet.
Indeed I am a chorus nut...
To be quite honest, I am not really into most of the super-slick processed cheesey 1980s LA chorus stuff. But I really like learning how it all works, and what I can learn from it to use for some of my own sounds.