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VonBonfire said:
So did you buy a new pair of hi hats yet or are you gonna suffer those AA Sabians forever?
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I was just digging thru my box o' humbuckers ( we all got one, right?) and found the pickup that's going in my new Warmoth build.

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VonBonfire said:
When is the big reveal?
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Right after you post a clip.

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VonBonfire said:
Classic secular claim. I don't see that at all so you'd have to provide some examples. How about the counter argument, God's OT people were faithless, stiff necked, disobedient, etc. They agreed to a covenant and then immediately crapped all over it and received the just desserts for their actions. They broke the covenant. They witnessed the great miracles, many great miracles, you yourself have said "wish I could get a sign" and still they acted a fool.

No one speaks directly to the OT God. He is only known through Christ so you'd be having to listen intently for what the holy spirit is offering as a directive adn then you'd test the spirit to make sure it is of God.

He gave Adam free will in the Garden and Adam spurned that by again, violating a verbal command from the Lord. You seem to assign more blame to God than to the fools who take up the cross only to cast it down in exchange for following their own path.
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I like the garden story. Was the serpent lying or telling the truth? I'll try to follow up with some examples.
 
VonBonfire said:
Talk to anyone highly educated in mathematics and you will be told "there is no such thing as random". It doesn't exist, it's all mathematical patterning.
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People dismiss the "Intelligent design" movement. It really is secular and objective, it just leads to a conclusion many don't like. It's so statistically improbable that all this coincidentally happened to come together so as to be impossible. There's a good story about the odds of a rock rolling down a hill and happening to be formed into a rolex or something like that by the time it hit the bottom. Things just don't work that way.
 
acceptance said:
People dismiss the "Intelligent design" movement. It really is secular and objective, it just leads to a conclusion many don't like. It's so statistically improbable that all this coincidentally happened to come together so as to be impossible. There's a good story about the odds of a rock rolling down a hill and happening to be formed into a rolex or something like that by the time it hit the bottom. Things just don't work that way.
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The correct (and most often used) analogy is of a hurricane blowing through a junkyard and assembling a fully functional 747 passenger jet.

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VonBonfire said:
Man's fall from the garden is written into music this way. It should be a perfect circle but it spirals upward, like DNA, never meeting exactly full circle. Like Pi. And further these musical intervals also correspond to the layout of a human body. Ratios. Mathematics. It's pretty incredible stuff when you get into it and more evidence we are beings fashioned by a creator.
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I am interested in the "Math" of the universe. The never ending spiral is interesting, because the more I think about things, the more it seems like there are no answers, just paradoxes that have to be resolved logically with answers like "infinity" (God).
 
VonBonfire said:
Protestantism is graphs and charts and timelines and endless speculations and "getting saved" (note the past tense nature of the protestant language.) It's a one and done or choose your own church that fits your likes, wants, needs, and beliefs. The itching ears effect. There are how many protestant denominations? Don't like it? START YOUR OWN!!!!!! Protestantism is sipping coffee inside a building that looks like a convention center listening to some dude in business attire make a Ted-X talk on the bible, selling you on his talking points.

No divine liturgy, no true sacraments. no glory honor and worship. Just welch's grape juice and a piece of crusty bread passed out. No pre communion prayer rule, no demand for self examination. Yet strangely protestanism is legalistic. Note Arch Stanton's penchant for telling you you're going to hell, over and over and over. That's kind of the average protestant mindset tbh. It's judgemental, and outward. "Attendance is your worship". Passing a tip bucket around publicly during service. Rock band on stage. Why not just go see some decent music instead of wasting a perfectly good sunday? How much more do you want me to unload?
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Well the getting saved vs. process of being saved is probably a big doctrinal distinction but I believe it even exists within protestantism. I'm with you though, clearly the orthodox, catholic, maybe lutheran churches have the best liturgies. Curious, does the orthodox church have a charismatic movement?
 
acceptance said:
I like the garden story. Was the serpent lying or telling the truth? I'll try to follow up with some examples.
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He was lying, telling a half truth. You surely won't die......today. He repackages the same lie over and over, not very creative. "You can become as gods".

acceptance said:
I am interested in the "Math" of the universe. The never ending spiral is interesting, because the more I think about things, the more it seems like there are no answers, just paradoxes that have to be resolved logically with answers like "infinity" (God).
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You might want to read up on the Omega point theory. It's pretty interesting and IIRC is derived from mathematics. It's been probably 20 years so my memory on that is a little foggy.
 
Arch Stanton said:
After reading your posts for a while now, I have serious doubts you even passed 10th grade algebra.

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College algebra was it for me. Can't remember and don't want to. My instructor had a thick eastern european accent, old, droned on, and it was at night. I didn't do particularly well.
 
VonBonfire said:
He was lying, telling a half truth. You surely won't die......today. He repackages the same lie over and over, not very creative. "You can become as gods".
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We should definitely go over that. I'll reread it.
VonBonfire said:
You might want to read up on the Omega point theory. It's pretty interesting and IIRC is derived from mathematics. It's been probably 20 years so my memory on that is a little foggy.
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Cool, I'll check it out.
 
acceptance said:
Well the getting saved vs. process of being saved is probably a big doctrinal distinction but I believe it even exists within protestantism. I'm with you though, clearly the orthodox, catholic, maybe lutheran churches have the best liturgies. Curious, does the orthodox church have a charismatic movement?
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It exists within protestantism, yes. But it's always used in the past tense. "Oh Bob, he's a good fella, he's saved like us". Protestantism is christian the way a early 90's Lotus strat is a Fender.

The orthodox are opposed to the charismatic nonsense. Phenomena are discarded. I have a vision of Christ, it's to be disregarded because satan can appear as an angel of light. I would consult my spiritual father before buying into the phenomena I experience, if such an experience were the case. Dreams, apparitions, visions, signs.....the stuff of pagans mostly.
 
"For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” Why didn't God want them to know good and evil? The serpent was telling the truth here.
 
acceptance said:
"For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” Why didn't God want them to know good and evil? The serpent was telling the truth here.
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It's also worth noting that it was God that cursed them to die by kicking them out of the garden. They wouldn't have died simply from eating the fruit. The tree of life would have sustained them and they still could have lived forever.
 
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