Yo Von…

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acceptance said:
Haha, I know. I’d have to look at it in closer detail, but the fact that Protestants and Catholics disagree is enough to give me pause. Are you familiar with Rod Dreher btw? He was Catholic turned Orthodox after the priest scandal. He’s a writer, you might like him
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I was talking to an unnamed member on PM's earlier about how pitiful the Vatican 2 stuff is and how it basically ruined the Catholic church. Prior to that it was much more similar to orthodoxy. I have not heard of Rod Dreher but I will definitely have a look into his stuff. A lot of protestants and Catholics are finding orthodoxy because of it's "true church" status and disinterest and resistance to the ecumenical movement which has swallowed the majority of churches whether they realize or accept it or not. It's top down...

acceptance said:
Oh boy, that’s a big one. First, I don’t think their character is consistent. Jesus is obviously more appealing. I guess I just feel toyed with, like he’s setting up this epic battle of good and evil which we all know the outcome but still have to suffer through pain and bullshit in the meantime. And that he’s coy, hiding, won’t talk back when you speak to him. The idea of hell for the unsaved is atrocious to me as well.
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Which inconsistencies? I am familiar with some complaints but you'd have to detail them. You would suffer through pain and bs whether there was a God or not, no? Maybe he didn't talk to you because you weren't earnest in your faith (I mean, you gave up after all). That's like saying I'm your enemy but please continue speaking to me in a way. Not really something I would expect.

I think hell is mostly reserved for those who reject God outright, not some place for the nominal or agnostic.

acceptance said:
Protestant/non-denomination
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It's unfulfilling. Like wanting to race cars but only getting in on the rental go-kart action. It's mostly empty because it is a half truth, a heresy. Like a puzzle wiht a bunch of pieces missing and so the faith feels incomplete.
 
Aynirar27 said:
But also another example of one of his fallacies. We are talking about the scientific method of predicting an eclipse. “Science” has that down pat. We know where the sun, moon and earth are going to be in relation to eachother at pretty much any given time, past present and future.

The fallacy comes when he lumps in something simple like that, into this massive “science” umbrella that also has unproven and highly debated topics.
But eclipses aren’t one of them.
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I said, "well-said" specifically about the quote I made.

I purposely truncated and compressed, using "...", in order to isolate the sentences I reacted to. Here's the exact quote FTR:

As for the "Whole scientific community" that really depends on the topic, as most dissident voices — especially those with impeccable credentials — are marginalized and suppressed...
Even if all the experts did agree, that doesn't mean that they are right. History has show the incredible stupidity of those who live in insular academic echo chambers, where groupthink and conformity are more important than truth.

Just saying in case you didn't get that I wasn't referring to the debate you guys are having.

Hope you're well Danno. :thumbsup:
 
VonBonfire said:
Which inconsistencies? I am familiar with some complaints but you'd have to detail them. You would suffer through pain and bs whether there was a God or not, no? Maybe he didn't talk to you because you weren't earnest in your faith (I mean, you gave up after all). That's like saying I'm your enemy but please continue speaking to me in a way. Not really something I would expect.
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The OT god was vindictive, jealous, severe. Jesus is patient, loving and merciful. I understand you can find some of each in both new and Old Testament, but to me it comes across ad hoc and patched together. As for not being spoken back to, I don’t know of any Christians that claim to hear directly from God, and most people would probably suspect their sanity if they did. So we’re mostly left with indirect and subjective interpretations of what we think he may be trying to communicate. As for it being my fault, it’s kind of a catch 22 in that there is no way to disprove god doesn’t exist from his lack of communication. What is the standard of “trying hard” enough? I just haven’t heard from him in an objective way and that’s the evidence I have.

Sure, we’d go through the pain and bs, but my point is that God could have prevented it. Some pain is bad enough that it just dulls you, tears apart what you love and what you hope for. There’s no silver lining, lesson or light at the end of the tunnel. Just loss.
 
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Monkey Man said:
I said, "well-said" specifically about the quote I made.

I purposely truncated and compressed, using "...", in order to isolate the sentences I reacted to. Here's the exact quote FTR:

As for the "Whole scientific community" that really depends on the topic, as most dissident voices — especially those with impeccable credentials — are marginalized and suppressed...
Even if all the experts did agree, that doesn't mean that they are right. History has show the incredible stupidity of those who live in insular academic echo chambers, where groupthink and conformity are more important than truth.

Just saying in case you didn't get that I wasn't referring to the debate you guys are having.

Hope you're well Danno. :thumbsup:
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My point that everyone seems to keep missing is that if you “pretend” you didn’t have photo documentation or other alleged confirmation of the solar model, the math itself would not prove the solar system. In other words it could fit other Solar models, if I’m not mistaken. And I for one would like to see a demonstration of the math in case there are any whizzes around or if someone has a resource. Too many here seem to take it for granted m that the math works as they believe. I understand at least some flat earthers argue that Nasa relies on the saros cycle, not complex calculations of planetary trajectories.
 
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VonBonfire said:
It's unfulfilling. Like wanting to race cars but only getting in on the rental go-kart action. It's mostly empty because it is a half truth, a heresy. Like a puzzle wiht a bunch of pieces missing and so the faith feels incomplete.
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You’ve been Protestant and orthodox right? In what way did orthodoxy fulfill you that the other didn’t? In what ways do orthodox believe it to be false?
 
Arch Stanton said:
You'll get plenty of that, where you're going.

:ROFLMAO:
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As I previously told von, I also like the view of Lucifer as a representation of rebellion against capricious authority, of freedom, intelligence, self-ownership and truth. Not that my avatar is immediately satanic, but it is suggestive of the occult.
 
acceptance said:
As I previously told von, I also like the view of Lucifer as a representation of rebellion against capricious authority, of freedom, intelligence, self-ownership and truth. Not that my avatar is immediately satanic, but it is suggestive of the occult.
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And yet you balked at me saying "you damn yourself with every post".

:ROFLMAO:

You cannot even connect the dots, bro.
 
acceptance said:
You mean just posting anything with that avatar?
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