Yo Von…

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acceptance said:
I get that. What God decided to disclose would obviously be his prerogative, but again, I haven’t seen the evidence for his existence, or rather, I haven’t seen enough consistent evidence to satisfy me personally. I understand the bar is somewhat subjective, so that’s why others have chosen to believe. Or they believe because they want to believe. Maybe I just don’t want to believe, I don’t know. There’s a verse in the Bible about the depth and complexity of the human psyche. I agree. There’s a lot of good stuff in there.
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You're pulling the aynirar card though. What evidence? SCIENCE EVIDENCE!

An ancient book closely matching much of the archaeological record won't do so what evidence would? You don't fully trust science either, right? Bingo! You're a doubting Thomas. Unless you feel the holes in the hands and feet of Christ you won't believe. Would you believe even if you could? Honestly if you were deeply interested you would've put that night or those days of self denial, of prayer and fasting to find the truth. To most people, it's not important. I understand it because the world is full of things to preoccupy ourselves with, drawing us away from prayer and from that inner spiritual life.It's difficult. It requires great effort. Most people want 9-5 then a night on the couch.....
 
acceptance said:
For not believing what I’m “supposed” to believe that is not immediately apparent or rational to me? Seems fair 🙄
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Only speaking for myself.. every attempt I've made to help you has been met with nothing but retarded clap-back and personal insults.

You've obviously made your choice.

🤷‍♂️
 
Arch Stanton said:
Only speaking for myself.. every attempt I've made to help you has been met with nothing but retarded clap-back and personal insults.

You've obviously made your choice.

🤷‍♂️
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It’s true I’ve given you a lot of shit, but I think I’ve been pretty respectful of your faith. And you dish it out pretty good as well ya know.
 
acceptance said:
It’s true I’ve given you a lot of shit, but I think I’ve been pretty respectful of your faith. And you dish it out pretty good as well ya know.
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Sure, but you're going to hell and I'm not.

:ROFLMAO:
 
VonBonfire said:
An ancient book closely matching much of the archaeological record won't do so what evidence would? You don't fully trust science either, right? Bingo! You're a doubting Thomas.
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You’re essentially saying that the evidence that convinced you should convince me. I think it’s more subjective though in this case. It’s not as obvious as some matters. If I became Christian I would feel like I was making myself believe something I didn’t really believe. Why doesn’t God just whisper in our ear at night, show a sign, miracle, etc.? Why so hidden?
 
acceptance said:
You’re essentially saying that the evidence that convinced you should convince me. I think it’s more subjective though in this case. It’s not as obvious as some matters. If I became Christian I would feel like I was making myself believe something I didn’t really believe. Why doesn’t God just whisper in our ear at night, show a sign, miracle, etc.? Why so hidden?
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What's up with your avatar image ?

:unsure:
 
acceptance said:
You’re essentially saying that the evidence that convinced you should convince me. I think it’s more subjective though in this case. It’s not as obvious as some matters. If I became Christian I would feel like I was making myself believe something I didn’t really believe. Why doesn’t God just whisper in our ear at night, show a sign, miracle, etc.? Why so hidden?
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I am not so convinced by "evidence" as much as I am personal experience and by the gospel itself. Again, head knowledge vs heart knowledge. As someone who doesn't believe, you are looking for that head knowledge and even if you believed it, that isn't faith. Faith is not seeing, but still believing.

You want a sign, a miracle, God to whisper in your ear? How much time have you spent in prayer and meditation, in contemplation, in fasting, in humility requesting that the Lord reveal himself to you? How bad do you want it? I suspect not very badly, but I am not in your head either. Once again, most people want Santa Clause to show up without any effort on their part and hand them the keys to the kingdom. Kind of like every dimwit who picks up a guitar wants to be Jimi or Eddie after they pay for an instrument only to find out it is a DEMANDING pathway few will take the effort to reach.

I wAnNa bE sAvEd past tense so I can get back to doing whatever the heck it is that I ME MINE WOULD RATHER BE DOING INSTEAD. Why would a holy God reveal himself to someone who is not earnest in their search? What lengths are you willing to go? How badly do you want it?
 
VonBonfire said:
I am not so convinced by "evidence" as much as I am personal experience and by the gospel itself. Again, head knowledge vs heart knowledge. As someone who doesn't believe, you are looking for that head knowledge and even if you believed it, that isn't faith. Faith is not seeing, but still believing.
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Yeah, I appreciate that: “Head knowledge vs heart knowledge”…but ultimately God gave us our brains and faculties of cognition for a reason, right?
VonBonfire said:
You want a sign, a miracle, God to whisper in your ear? How much time have you spent in prayer and meditation, in contemplation, in fasting, in humility requesting that the Lord reveal himself to you? How bad do you want it? I suspect not very badly, but I am not in your head either. Once again, most people want Santa Clause to show up without any effort on their part and hand them the keys to the kingdom. Kind of like every dimwit who picks up a guitar wants to be Jimi or Eddie after they pay for an instrument only to find out it is a DEMANDING pathway few will take the effort to reach.

I wAnNa bE sAvEd past tense so I can get back to doing whatever the heck it is that I ME MINE WOULD RATHER BE DOING INSTEAD. Why would a holy God reveal himself to someone who is not earnest in their search? What lengths are you willing to go? How badly do you want it?
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What’s with the “faith game” though? Why does salvation have to essentially be a faith test? I mean, don’t you think most people would believe and be grateful if they knew it was true? I understand why God, if as glorious and wonderful as proclaimed, might liken himself to a treasure to be sought, but it seems at odds with the notion that he wants all men to believe and be saved.
 
acceptance said:
God gave us our brains and faculties of cognition for a reason, right?
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Human logic is always opposed to God. Logic opposes miracles. Logic opposes faith. This is the age of reason, and it is that that is the core of the falling away from faith we see everywhere.

acceptance said:
What’s with the “faith game” though? Why does salvation have to essentially be a faith test? I mean, don’t you think most people would believe and be grateful if they knew it was true? I understand why God, if as glorious and wonderful as proclaimed, might liken himself to a treasure to be sought, but it seems at odds with the notion that he wants all men to believe and be saved.
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We do not know who God will choose to save. The idea is that you struggle to achieve those crowns, that reward. God calls all men to salvation through the promise of blessings to come. How badly are you willing to struggle to achieve that? Where do you wish to spend eternity? It's the narrow path. It is a difficult path that most people do not want. They want worldly comforts not the things of God.
 
acceptance said:
alright brother I’m on dish duty for a bit though 🧽
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Give thanks. The morons from Spectrum laying cable busted my water main yesterday and I don't have clean water right now so I have sink full of 'em. They been busting gas lines in Austin and saying nothing, busting people's sprinkler lines.....I can see a class action on the horizon.
 
Dang that’s not good! I woulda thought you’d have a well. When will they fix it?
 
VonBonfire said:
Human logic is always opposed to God. Logic opposes miracles. Logic opposes faith. This is the age of reason, and it is that that is the core of the falling away from faith we see everywhere.


We do not know who God will choose to save. The idea is that you struggle to achieve those crowns, that reward. God calls all men to salvation through the promise of blessings to come. How badly are you willing to struggle to achieve that? Where do you wish to spend eternity? It's the narrow path. It is a difficult path that most people do not want. They want worldly comforts not the things of God.
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Protestants at least talk about the rational basis for their faith. Is that not the same with Orthodox? I think everything fails apart without rationality. I don’t really have a problem with the supernatural, and by that token I suppose there could be something “superlogical”. But I can’t get to that place without a reason to — an experience from god for example. I admit I am not humble in this way. And like I said earlier, I have issues with what I understand of Jesus/Yahweh, so I’m not very predisposed to seek him at this point. But I actually have spent some time in prayer, and at one point I considered myself Christian even.
 
acceptance said:
Protestants at least talk about the rational basis for their faith. Is that not the same with Orthodox? I think everything fails apart without rationality. I don’t really have a problem with the supernatural, and by that token I suppose there could be something “superlogical”. But I can’t get to that place without a reason to — an experience from god for example. I admit I am not humble in this way. And like I said earlier, I have issues with what I understand of Jesus/Yahweh, so I’m not very predisposed to seek him at this point. But I actually have spent some time in prayer, and at one point I considered myself Christian even.
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Of course there is a rational basis for the orthodox faith. It's the first, and only true church, established at Pentecost. Why else do you think I harp about it endlessly, lol.

What are the issues with Jesus and YHWH that you see?

And what denomination were you? I guess I see it as protestantism is like swimming in the kiddie end of the pool whereas orthodoxy is like the deep end. Yes, some protestants are actually orthodox in practice they just don't realize it. But God has established a true, visible church and that church is orthodox and it will be preserved unshakable and though individuals within it might fall away or embrace ecumenism or heresy the church will remain forever.
 
VonBonfire said:
Of course there is a rational basis for the orthodox faith. It's the first, and only true church, established at Pentecost. Why else do you think I harp about it endlessly, lol.
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Haha, I know. I’d have to look at it in closer detail, but the fact that Protestants and Catholics disagree is enough to give me pause. Are you familiar with Rod Dreher btw? He was Catholic turned Orthodox after the priest scandal. He’s a writer, you might like him.
VonBonfire said:
What are the issues with Jesus and YHWH that you see?
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Oh boy, that’s a big one. First, I don’t think their character is consistent. Jesus is obviously more appealing. I guess I just feel toyed with, like he’s setting up this epic battle of good and evil which we all know the outcome but still have to suffer through pain and bullshit in the meantime. And that he’s coy, hiding, won’t talk back when you speak to him. The idea of hell for the unsaved is atrocious to me as well.
VonBonfire said:
And what denomination were you?
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Protestant/non-denomination
 
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