The IIC+reissue goes live Dec. 3rd. $3599
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SonVolt
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I work in the sheet steel industry. We ship new steel out everyday that's already starting to corrode. Unless it's pickled or galved, which is totally unnecessary for a transformer, it's going to start rusting immediately.
TheGreatGreen
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That's impossible. Metallica didn't use a III on Master of Puppets or AJFA so it can't possibly be better!
fedrek
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Better than the reissue and I know Mark III can sound just as good as IIC+, as well as Mark IV.
SonVolt
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but John Sykes did!!!! *unbuttons top button to expose chest hair*
fedrek
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Got it, didn't know this information.
311splawndude
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@fedrek - I get where you are coming from and all but you did hear about the Gibson thing right 
I think it is ridiculous to charge that much for an amplifier, just like a new LP.
That's like. Subjective.
I think it is ridiculous to charge that much for an amplifier, just like a new LP.
That's like. Subjective.
fedrek
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Yes, you probably saw me under the official presentation video, not very hard to spot me, I'm everywhere when it comes to Boogies. I'm a big fan.@fedrek - I get where you are coming from and all but you did hear about the Gibson thing right
I think it is ridiculous to charge that much for an amplifier, just like a new LP.
That's like. Subjective.
mentoneman
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Metallica has to be the main reason most players here are aware of the C+
https://www.metallicagearhistory.com/post/mesa-boogie-crunchberries-amp
by the time they became known boogie guys, i had already been exposed to the IIB for 4 years and had formulated my own idea of boogie tone.
i made a recording in 82 of my buddy Zach playing that IIB combo with altec speaker and fetron preamp tube that i wish i still had because the tone was amazing.
it’s interesting how time alters perceptions of what your mind recalls regarding a tone being “brutal” and then hearing the actual recording
my preference for recorded C+ tones was Luke/Toto and Dream Theater
https://reverb.com/item/46329035-me...=Skimlinks&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=aw
wonder whatever happened to Prince’s C+ Coli?
https://www.metallicagearhistory.com/post/mesa-boogie-crunchberries-amp
by the time they became known boogie guys, i had already been exposed to the IIB for 4 years and had formulated my own idea of boogie tone.
i made a recording in 82 of my buddy Zach playing that IIB combo with altec speaker and fetron preamp tube that i wish i still had because the tone was amazing.
it’s interesting how time alters perceptions of what your mind recalls regarding a tone being “brutal” and then hearing the actual recording
my preference for recorded C+ tones was Luke/Toto and Dream Theater
https://reverb.com/item/46329035-me...=Skimlinks&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=aw
wonder whatever happened to Prince’s C+ Coli?
Thats because these transformers are made in Mexico. The US supplier went belly up several years ago. These are made by Schumacher in Mexico. Same company that makes the EVH series transformers.
SonVolt
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True. Modern metal is a lot more "brutal" now because engineers learned through Metallica's mistakes how to incorporate bass and drums properly. Hetfield's riffs were brutal for the time, but the mix overall never hit you in the chest like say (and I hate to say this) Korn did in the '90s. Post-thrash metal bands learned how to use bass properly. Turn the volume up really high on any of Metallica's albums pre-Black album and it's a shrill mess. All guitar.
SonVolt
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say it wasn't close in the room. This is a promotional video.
cardinal
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There is just sort of a Mark sound. I've had a C+ DRG, a III, and played a V for a bit. They'll all do That Thing. They feel different (C+ is softer with more bloom; III was real stiff; the V was eh), but for just the sound: imho it was kinda hard to tell them apart if you dialed them in for the same type of high gain thing.
thegame
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Allow me to review that review: he barely said anything, so F minus
how close is his III with C+ mod to the original?
kinda says what we all know - the original components aren't available so they probably tried to get it as close as they could get?
SonVolt
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It's like Friedman commenting on a new Marshall.......
fedrek
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It depends on what kind of Stripe he had, and this is not a fair comparison at all. It's like saying I compared a Fender Bassman to a Marshall JTM 45 and they're not even close. You look at the circuit and they're similar but in fact, these are different things.