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New here. New to guitar. Have only been playing electric acoustic now for about 3 months. Going pretty good so now I'm looking to get my 1st electric (Have my eyes on a Gibson studio les paul modern).

So I'm new to pretty much all things guitar and all the associated electronics. I've been looking into getting a rig before I pull the trigger on the guitar and that's how I found the forum.

Side note: I also have an acoustic set of drums that I enjoy playing but need some hearing protection and a way to listen to some music while I'm playing etc. Eventually considering getting some mics and/ or triggers so that I can experiment with sound on that as well but that's another conversation (unless it could somehow affect my decisions on the guitar component).

So...... what I'm trying to do is start with a good setup that I can expand on later.

Here's the idea:
1. Get the GK Ultraphone headphones for hearing protection (drums) while at the same time be able to have studio quality sound....
My understanding is that they could also be used to listen to music, backing tracks etc or my guitar AND drums.
2. Get the Fender mustang micro and for when I need to play silently I can just plug it into the headphones and will effectively have various channels (amp models) (& effects?) that I can hear through the headphones along with my guitar.
And I can play music via bluetooth through the headphones as well while I'm playing guitar or drums.
And I can record whatever it is I'm hearing through the headphones onto my computer through the USB out on the Mustang Micro.
I like the idea of only knobs and buttons.... no screens and not a gazillion options.
Thinking I can use both my electric and my acoustic guitar with this setup as well.
But I need to have a way to hear my electric guitar without the headphones as well.
3. So thinking get a Fender Tone Master FR12 and use the Fender mustang micro as the amp for the Tonemaster..... but not positive this can work. Maybe not powerful enough? Any other speakers I should consider besides the FR12? Any other small amps I should consider besides the Mustang micro.... recognizing that I want to have headset functionality.
4. Thinking for the most part most of the effects & amp simulators I'll need are going to be built into the mustang micro..... correct?
5. Optionally I could get a floor pedal board/ amp and skip the Fender mustang micro but would want something very basic (Knobs and buttons) that I could still hook my headphones to..... but then I'm more tied to the device than if I just use the micro. I'm not totally opposed to this idea if it ultimately is going to give me more flexibility and/ or sound quality.

FWIW, I recognize that down the road I'll be getting something other than the micro for purposes of amplification to the FR12 but thinking I'll still be able to use the micro for simplicities sake as well.

6. Anything else I might need/ want to connect/ need to think about as far as options go? I keep seeing the term amps with "loopers" but haven't gotten a handle on what that might be for or whether it could become important to me?
7. Any other capabilites or limitations of the FR12 or Mustang Micro that I might want to be aware of?
8. Is there a way to get updates from Fender for the mustang?

I kind of feel like this is all I would need to get me started if the way I'm thinking could work.

Some other side concerns/ questions:
1. Any problems with Low Volume playing in the house etc. over the FR12. Is that going to sound like crap? Is it just going to be too much for a home amp/ speaker?
2. Then there is the What if I want to hook a bass to the FR12? Can I do that? Or will I need to have a separate bass speaker? Separate Bass amp or will the mustang micro handle it. If I'm remembering right they make a bass version?
3. And What if I want to hook a mic and one of my guitars to the FR12? Can I do that? Or is there going to need to be something between the mustang and the speaker to connect it to?
4. I'm also interested in getting a wah pedal but have no idea how that would get tied into the FR12 &/or my headphones?
5. A band comes over to house to practice sometime with girlfriend and they have a mixer that they use. Can they just plug everything into the FR12 and use that for the speaker? Would be a nice benefit if they didn't need to bring their speaker. Even better if I can figure out a way to have a mixer set up of my own somehow for their purposes for practice..... but that's for another day.
6. And let's say I wanted to keep my headphones on while the band was over (maybe everyone has headphones on because of the noise of the drums (as example) then how do we all end up hearing what the band is playing through our headphones?

I know I'm throwing a lot out there so any help with getting some of this sorted out is appreciated.
 
Then there is the Fender GTX 50/100. Could just plug headphones into that I guess. In everyones opinion what would be the benefit of getting one of these vs the FR12?
 
You have so many options these days I can see why you would be unsure of which way to go. I'm not up to speed on all the new stuff but I would just try to keep it simple at first. The Fender Tonemaster Deluxe Reverb is a pretty simple amp, sounds great all by itself, and takes pedals well. It has silent stage capability too.
 
New here. New to guitar. Have only been playing electric acoustic now for about 3 months. Going pretty good so now I'm looking to get my 1st electric (Have my eyes on a Gibson studio les paul modern).

So I'm new to pretty much all things guitar and all the associated electronics. I've been looking into getting a rig before I pull the trigger on the guitar and that's how I found the forum.

Side note: I also have an acoustic set of drums that I enjoy playing but need some hearing protection and a way to listen to some music while I'm playing etc. Eventually considering getting some mics and/ or triggers so that I can experiment with sound on that as well but that's another conversation (unless it could somehow affect my decisions on the guitar component).

So...... what I'm trying to do is start with a good setup that I can expand on later.

Here's the idea:
1. Get the GK Ultraphone headphones for hearing protection (drums) while at the same time be able to have studio quality sound....
My understanding is that they could also be used to listen to music, backing tracks etc or my guitar AND drums.
2. Get the Fender mustang micro and for when I need to play silently I can just plug it into the headphones and will effectively have various channels (amp models) (& effects?) that I can hear through the headphones along with my guitar.
And I can play music via bluetooth through the headphones as well while I'm playing guitar or drums.
And I can record whatever it is I'm hearing through the headphones onto my computer through the USB out on the Mustang Micro.
I like the idea of only knobs and buttons.... no screens and not a gazillion options.
Thinking I can use both my electric and my acoustic guitar with this setup as well.
But I need to have a way to hear my electric guitar without the headphones as well.
3. So thinking get a Fender Tone Master FR12 and use the Fender mustang micro as the amp for the Tonemaster..... but not positive this can work. Maybe not powerful enough? Any other speakers I should consider besides the FR12? Any other small amps I should consider besides the Mustang micro.... recognizing that I want to have headset functionality.
4. Thinking for the most part most of the effects & amp simulators I'll need are going to be built into the mustang micro..... correct?
5. Optionally I could get a floor pedal board/ amp and skip the Fender mustang micro but would want something very basic (Knobs and buttons) that I could still hook my headphones to..... but then I'm more tied to the device than if I just use the micro. I'm not totally opposed to this idea if it ultimately is going to give me more flexibility and/ or sound quality.

FWIW, I recognize that down the road I'll be getting something other than the micro for purposes of amplification to the FR12 but thinking I'll still be able to use the micro for simplicities sake as well.

6. Anything else I might need/ want to connect/ need to think about as far as options go? I keep seeing the term amps with "loopers" but haven't gotten a handle on what that might be for or whether it could become important to me?
7. Any other capabilites or limitations of the FR12 or Mustang Micro that I might want to be aware of?
8. Is there a way to get updates from Fender for the mustang?

I kind of feel like this is all I would need to get me started if the way I'm thinking could work.

Some other side concerns/ questions:
1. Any problems with Low Volume playing in the house etc. over the FR12. Is that going to sound like crap? Is it just going to be too much for a home amp/ speaker?
2. Then there is the What if I want to hook a bass to the FR12? Can I do that? Or will I need to have a separate bass speaker? Separate Bass amp or will the mustang micro handle it. If I'm remembering right they make a bass version?
3. And What if I want to hook a mic and one of my guitars to the FR12? Can I do that? Or is there going to need to be something between the mustang and the speaker to connect it to?
4. I'm also interested in getting a wah pedal but have no idea how that would get tied into the FR12 &/or my headphones?
5. A band comes over to house to practice sometime with girlfriend and they have a mixer that they use. Can they just plug everything into the FR12 and use that for the speaker? Would be a nice benefit if they didn't need to bring their speaker. Even better if I can figure out a way to have a mixer set up of my own somehow for their purposes for practice..... but that's for another day.
6. And let's say I wanted to keep my headphones on while the band was over (maybe everyone has headphones on because of the noise of the drums (as example) then how do we all end up hearing what the band is playing through our headphones?

I know I'm throwing a lot out there so any help with getting some of this sorted out is appreciated.
fuck all that homie....get a 5150 full stack and a charvel...then get a wah, boost and delay. Learn lay it down, crank it-and watch all the panties drop in a 2 mile radius. THIS IS RIG CAULK!!!!!!!
 
If I were you I'd skip the Fender Mustang Micro and get something like a Boss Katana combo amp instead.

The Fender Micro is a portable gadget that's going to need power, and changing batteries or even just making sure they're charged is the most obnoxious thing ever. Get something you can keep plugged into the wall so you don't have to worry about it. It also has a headphone jack for silent playing and it will sound better overall.
 
Thanks Monkeyman for the thumbs up on this one. Hopefully that means you think iyo I'm on the right path and not that I'm giving you an anuerism.
Spiderwars and Dan Travis. I'm guessing you're thinking I'm overthinking this lol. Yeah, I hear you.... I can do that. But really just kinda learning about as much as I can up front. Simple is good. I really do like simple.... just gets overcomplicated in the beginning for me. Just getting an amp and plugging in definitely is appealing to me..... FWIW.

Was looking at the tonemasters last night and they are appealing but probably need to be out of my price range for the time being. My thinking was move the electronics out and save some money and add some flexibility.... thus the FR12. Would need to go used for the tonemaster and I don't know enough about the electronics to make a good decision in that department.... so probably should go new for now.
The great green. Yeah I hear you too. If I end up going with just a combo why would you recommend the Katana over say a fender GTX or Tonemaster deluxe similar wattage.

JackBooted-I'm in. Not the exact system you're talking about but I get it now.
https://www.google.com/search?sca_e...ate=ive&vld=cid:10179b5a,vid:wIcK0b2T4W8,st:0

Sharvel Dan. Not sure I'm following but I THINk what you might be trying to say is there is always going to be the latest greatest thing that will never actually be the greatest so just get something and play. Guessing Cameron CCV made all kinds of promises.... then came into being..... then fizzeled out after all the hype. Just a guess really.....
Crazy as it seems I'm kind of anti tech. Sort of anyway. For some things. Maybe. Sometimes..... But not all the time. Only when I need it. But then it sucks.... brain drain, creativity drain, time drain blah blah blah. But yeah I get it. I think.
 
Considering getting GK Ultraphones, a Mustang Micro & a FR12 to use together. Suggestions?
 
There are low cost modelers you can use with wireless headphones such as the Mooer Prime P2 or S1; I have both. HX Stomp is a step up too...

That said, I'd recommend going with computer software for guitar; get a good audio interface and pair of nearfield monitors, then look at software.
I built a computer rig because of PolyChrome DSP McRocklin Suite - sounds great, versatile and easy to use; also Neural DSP plugins, Marshall Amp Room, Helix Native,...it gives you flexibility while you figure out what gear you want next.
 
Just get a boss Katana amp 50 or 100 watt combo. Get the combo. You have the speaker cab and you can record direct into your computer with it. Get the new Katana mk3
 
One thing a good modeler will do is, give you a great idea of what the real tube amp they are modeling sounds like. So, if you get a Helix, AXE FM3/9, Kemper or other you can go through all the amp models and decide which is your fav, and then later save up some cash and grab the real thing. This also goes for the Boss Katana as well.
I don't feel modelers sound quite as good as a real tube amp, but they are super convenient, affordable and easy to find. Plus they do sound damn good.
 
Thanks Monkeyman for the thumbs up on this one. Hopefully that means you think iyo I'm on the right path and not that I'm giving you an anuerism.
Spiderwars and Dan Travis. I'm guessing you're thinking I'm overthinking this lol. Yeah, I hear you.... I can do that. But really just kinda learning about as much as I can up front. Simple is good. I really do like simple.... just gets overcomplicated in the beginning for me. Just getting an amp and plugging in definitely is appealing to me..... FWIW.

Was looking at the tonemasters last night and they are appealing but probably need to be out of my price range for the time being. My thinking was move the electronics out and save some money and add some flexibility.... thus the FR12. Would need to go used for the tonemaster and I don't know enough about the electronics to make a good decision in that department.... so probably should go new for now.
The great green. Yeah I hear you too. If I end up going with just a combo why would you recommend the Katana over say a fender GTX or Tonemaster deluxe similar wattage.

JackBooted-I'm in. Not the exact system you're talking about but I get it now.
https://www.google.com/search?sca_e...ate=ive&vld=cid:10179b5a,vid:wIcK0b2T4W8,st:0

Sharvel Dan. Not sure I'm following but I THINk what you might be trying to say is there is always going to be the latest greatest thing that will never actually be the greatest so just get something and play. Guessing Cameron CCV made all kinds of promises.... then came into being..... then fizzeled out after all the hype. Just a guess really.....
Crazy as it seems I'm kind of anti tech. Sort of anyway. For some things. Maybe. Sometimes..... But not all the time. Only when I need it. But then it sucks.... brain drain, creativity drain, time drain blah blah blah. But yeah I get it. I think.
seriously-so many options out there now compared to when I started as a teen in the 80's. Whatever you wind up with-just have fun.
 
I'd go with a Tone X or a Helix HX Stomp. Both are compact, and have a lot of options.
Just got finished looking at the tonex versions. I see no bluetooth capabilities but interesting otherwise. Curious about the addons (modules maybe….. excuse ignorance) that you can purchase. What really caught my eye were the drums and other instruments that you can tweak. How does this work? I mean I’m playing guitar to a track lets say…. Is it for changing the tone of the drum kit in the song? Or what my drummer is playing? Also note that they have a studio type plug in as well…. And maybe even a soundboard/ mixer. And studio monitors/ speakers. Could these substitute for a speaker cabinet somehow? Wondering about all this because i just started playing drums as well and as stated above girlfriends band comes over to the house and…..
Interested in recording/ mixing etc so wonder how all this might work together. Are there other manufacturers that have things along these lines?
 
Just get a boss Katana amp 50 or 100 watt combo. Get the combo. You have the speaker cab and you can record direct into your computer with it. Get the new Katana mk3
Point well taken. As stated above not out if the realm of possibilities but looking into options that might get me where i want to be in a different way without being too cumbersome
 
There are low cost modelers you can use with wireless headphones such as the Mooer Prime P2 or S1; I have both. HX Stomp is a step up too...

That said, I'd recommend going with computer software for guitar; get a good audio interface and pair of nearfield monitors, then look at software.
I built a computer rig because of PolyChrome DSP McRocklin Suite - sounds great, versatile and easy to use; also Neural DSP plugins, Marshall Amp Room, Helix Native,...it gives you flexibility while you figure out what gear you want next.
Considering one of the hx stomps and maybe need to compare to the tonex. Any thoughts?
 
One thing a good modeler will do is, give you a great idea of what the real tube amp they are modeling sounds like. So, if you get a Helix, AXE FM3/9, Kemper or other you can go through all the amp models and decide which is your fav, and then later save up some cash and grab the real thing. This also goes for the Boss Katana as well.
I don't feel modelers sound quite as good as a real tube amp, but they are super convenient, affordable and easy to find. Plus they do sound damn good.
Good points. Thanks. Any thoughts on tonex vs hx ace kemper etc?
 
Good points. Thanks. Any thoughts on tonex vs hx ace kemper etc?
The only one I have any exp with is the Kemper toaster from about 7 yrs ago. I did have an AXE AX8 a few yrs back, sounded good. A couple guys I know that still play out in my area, use a Helix and sound great through the PA.
The Kemper has more of an amp feel than those others I played. But, ultimately still had this 'digital' thing going on that I can't unhear.
 
Welcome to Rig-Talk.
Don't buy any Fender modeling.
Get the Helix or Snax or Kemper, like these guys are saying.
I have a Peavey Vypyr 60 with a tube power section and Transtube technology and it is decent. It is also 10 years old and $315
 
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