1st Rig. 1st Post......

[rsm]

HX Stomp doesn't have a mic input:

A full Helix does, and has many more input, output and routing options:

Much of the cost of the full Helix and full Axe-FX are the input/output routing options, as well as the greater compute capacity for more complex signal chains.

 

[QuestionThat]

that's what this does; it has a transmitter and receiver; the transmitter has a standard TRS 1/8" - 3.5mm jack

The HX Stomp has an expression pedal in; in your presets you can select from a choice of wah pedals, and assign the expression pedal to control the wah. Some reasons you'd want a dedicated external wah pedal is if it is one that's not in your modeler that you want to use, e.g., a vintage wah, or if you want to use the expression pedal for something else such as volume, or controlling delay times, amount of distortion, etc., i.e., another function

You can use pedals in front of a modeler, some pedals work well, others don't, with some modelers. Guitar --> guitar pedals ---> modeler input

Yes, a sub if you're going to have a band with bass, keys, or mic your drums.

An USB mixer will let you record over USB into your computer / daw. You can get by with one sub, the Alto sub has L and R inputs and outputs, with a frequency cutover; mixer out (L & R) into the Sub inputs (L & R), and Sub out (L & R) to your two powered PA speakers.


Some modelers have mic inputs such as the Helix, not all modelers have this; and many have USB out to go direct to computer / DAW for recording, and dedicated outs to go to a FRFR cab, PA mixer, etc.


Most modelers have headphone out; if you run everything into a mixer, the mixer would have a headphone out; depends what you want to hear in your headphones.


If you're recording off the cabinet your missing the direct output of the modeler; unless you're using a guitar cab with a modeler (which would require a power amp too) you would need to turn off cab sims / IRs in your modeler.

Mic --> Modeler such as a full Helix, you can route the vocals and guitars to different output channels to the mixer, and they would be on different channels over USB.


If I use a modeler, or synths, keyboards, etc., or even my computer based guitar rig, I run the outputs into a USB mixer, out to my PA with Sub as my PA, the guitar amp speakers, mics, mic positions are simulated in my modeler or computer rig; the mixer allows me to control the levels, balance, etc., and the powered PA cabs provide the amplified sound.


You want a powered mixer if your pa cabs are unpowered aka passive; you want an unpowered mixer if your PA cabs are powered.

Since you play drums, you could record your drums into the mixer, usb to computer / DAW, but getting good acoustic drum recorded sounds requires lots of mics, maybe a dedicated mixer, and knowledge about mic types and mic placement...out of my area of knowledge. I program drum tracks in my DAW using Arturia SparkLE controller or use a software plugin that has drum patterns that I can organize into a song pattern, and set repeats (Sonic Charge microTonic vst)

RSM! Man I’ve just got to say WOW. Blown away by your generosity and taking the time to talk me through all this stuff. I think I’m actually following a good chunk of it. Definitely some things I’m still scratching my head on but I’m armed and dangerous to go out looking more into some pedals/ modelers. Thanks!

 

[dcburn]

Ok. So lets say i take your advice. Are you/ others thinking that based on my music tastes I won’t need to get a modeler? Hook up a couple of boost pedals (as dan suggested) and i’m good to go? What am i going to be missing based on my “needs”as listed above. Was looking at this….

From what you are into musically (your reply #52) I believe the DSL40 would do everything you need?

Maybe a boost or delay down the road, but if I read correctly, you are kind of green in all of this?
Plus, there are many of each type of pedal out there and what works for me may not work for you.

The only thing I didn't offer up was something to plug headphones into.
Also, I'm not into the digital type rigs or "pedal platforms" so this is the best opinion I have for you...

You could always get a stomp, pretty sure it has a headphone in and will do all types of pedals.

 

[rsm]

RSM! Man I’ve just got to say WOW. Blown away by your generosity and taking the time to talk me through all this stuff. I think I’m actually following a good chunk of it. Definitely some things I’m still scratching my head on but I’m armed and dangerous to go out looking more into some pedals/ modelers. Thanks!

You're welcome, I had to learn it through trial and error, buying different gear to find out it wasn't what I needed, etc. wasting money and learning the hard way.

I pretty much went back to tube amps for guitar, and in place of modelers using a computer rig; spending more time and money on keyboards than guitar. But, much of my PA gear purchased for modelers works with my guitar computer rig, my keyboards, synths, etc.

I still use an HX-Effects with my Catalyst 100, and Mesa JP-2C;

 

[Metalhex]

You may want to look into the Headrush Prime

 

[QuestionThat]

From what you are into musically (your reply #52) I believe the DSL40 would do everything you need?

Maybe a boost or delay down the road, but if I read correctly, you are kind of green in all of this?
Plus, there are many of each type of pedal out there and what works for me may not work for you.

The only thing I didn't offer up was something to plug headphones into.
Also, I'm not into the digital type rigs or "pedal platforms" so this is the best opinion I have for you...

You could always get a stomp, pretty sure it has a headphone in and will do all types of pedals.

Green is the word! So I appreciate everyone’s patience and input. Still thinking about amps and such but doing more thinking about the modelers right this minute. Right now kind of leaning towards some kind of cabinet.... maybe an FR or Monitors in lieu of a true amp.... but not sure. Will need to come back to this but wanted to see if you (or anyone else) had any opinions regarding that approach.

 

[QuestionThat]

You're welcome, I had to learn it through trial and error, buying different gear to find out it wasn't what I needed, etc. wasting money and learning the hard way.

I pretty much went back to tube amps for guitar, and in place of modelers using a computer rig; spending more time and money on keyboards than guitar. But, much of my PA gear purchased for modelers works with my guitar computer rig, my keyboards, synths, etc.

I still use an HX-Effects with my Catalyst 100, and Mesa JP-2C;

Thanks RSM. I'm on computers all the time too for my day job so it wears on me. Need to get away from it. Part of the reason I went with acoustic drums. But now I'm finding it interesting getting into the electric/ electronic side of things!. I think the kicker for me is to how to kind of stay away from the computer for a lot of what I want to accomplish. We shall see where this all lands.

 

[QuestionThat]

You may want to look into the Headrush Prime

BINGO! I think lol. That thing just seems so intuitive to me. I've never been a fan of screens and originally was thinking I wanted just knobs but that is kind of like the best of both worlds. I actually like the fact that it doesn't technically have a program that you go through on the computer to make changes.
Love that it has Bass capabilities. And vocal (the mic input I was looking for), wireless.... so much for me to like. I'm looking at the version called the "core" without the pedal and less switches but I think it's the money for my purposes.

Now if I can just figure out some way to tie drums my acoustic drums into it.

Don't know if anyone here is familiar with the Yamaha EAD10 but I'm looking at that as of tonight to be able to effectively convert my acoustic kit into a digital kit. I'm thinking it has drum modeling capabilities that I can somehow use and it's wireless as well and can record and output from it. So what I'm wondering is if I could input cable from it into the Core and be able to use that as a "mixer" of sorts. At least be able to have the drum tracks that I create (or download) and then be able to play guitar and sing along to as well. Do you think I would be able to do all that?
Also stumbled on an app for music called "Moises" tonight. Apparently it lets you upload licensed music you have purchased and you can break out the individual instruments and record, slow down etc etc. Looks promising to me.

2 things I'm still trying to get sorted out in the mix are:
A. Type of speaker/ amp/ PA/ studio monitor/s I'm going to use to out put the sound. I'm thinking for now I don't really need an acutal tube amp per se at the moment. One of the reasons I'm kind of leaning away from that is that nothing is jumping out at me that looks like I'm going to be able to play bass & electric and not sure about the vocals through it either. So, wondering if I could get monitors with a sub woofer instead or an FR cabinet or something and be able to play everything through that system for "studio" quality sound? I'm kind of talking from an uninformed place here but that would be ideal. And if the band when it comes over to the house it could use those speakers that would be great as well. I guess I understand that this would not be a portable system per se for down the road but if I could purchase something along those lines for +/- the cost of say a marshall amp or some of the others recommended and still have all the other options I'm thinking that would be a better fit right now.
B. Can't remember what B was....

Anyway, enough for tonight. Thanks again.

 

[QuestionThat]

FRFR Cabinet. Says for Guitar & Bass….
Headrush FRFR 112 MK II
Anyone familiar with it?

 

[rsm]

FRFR Cabinet. Says for Guitar & Bass….
Headrush FRFR 112 MK II
Anyone familiar with it?

That would work to amplify a guitar modeler, bass modeler / preamp / DI, maybe a keyboard depending on the frequency range. just not all at once.

IIRC, you want several things for guitar, acoustic drums, vocals, playback, and a band. Typically you'd have a "rig" for each instrument, and vocals (you can get effects, processors, preamps, etc., for vocals). Some like Helix can do guitar, bass and vocals, but you still need amplification.

I think the complexity is coming from trying to do everything you want with the minimum amount of gear, and there are some overlaps between the gear, e.g., guitar modeler into FRFR vs guitar modeler into mixer into PA vs guitar modeler into audio interface / computer / studio monitors. All three would work, but not be ideal for all your situations. The first two would be fine for live, practice, and with other musicians; the last would be good for recording and playback, but not loud enough for acoustic drums.

Maybe approach it this way: guitar modeler rig, PA/band rig, and computer / recording rig? Design each rich separately to meet your needs, then see what components you need and any overlap.

 

[QuestionThat]

RSM said. Maybe approach it this way: guitar modeler rig, PA/band rig, and computer / recording rig? Design each rich separately to meet your needs, then see what components you need and any overlap

So above is what I’m trying to think through below. Thanks for the prod.

That would work to amplify a guitar modeler, bass modeler / preamp / DI, maybe a keyboard depending on the frequency range. just not all at once.

Here are some of the specs/ product general info…..
Not sure what a lot of this means and whether or not suitable for my application however but the way they are describing it sounds like it.

“FRFR-112 MKII outputs a massive 2500 watts, which means you have enough headroom for almost any performance or rehearsal. Featuring a specially voiced 12-inch woofer and high-frequency compression driver, the FRFR-112 delivers a precise, full response across the entire frequency range, without any artificial coloration—which is critical to getting the most out of your amp modeler. The FRFR-112 MKII’s performance is exceptional, with max 131dB SPL and 46-22kHz frequency range.”

Not following the not “not all at once part” you mention RSM. Do you mean i would need more than one of the FRFRs just because i’d be trying to get too many inputs out of it at once? If i ended up with say 2 and linked them together would that solve that problem or id need to come with another solution?

Here are some more of the features as quoted

“FRFR-112 MKII features two combo XLR + 1/4" combo inputs for connecting your amp modeling pedal or pedalboard, each with their own independent volume controls. You can also wirelessly connect a mobile device to the FRFR-112 MKII via Bluetooth, so you can stream music wirelessly at rehearsal or during set breaks. There is also an XLR output for chaining more than one speaker together or sending the signal from your FRFR out to a front of house mix.”

Read up on DI but not sure i understand what they might be used for in my setup….

IIRC, you want several things for guitar, acoustic drums, vocals, playback, and a band. Typically you'd have a "rig" for each instrument, and vocals (you can get effects, processors, preamps, etc., for vocals). Some like Helix can do guitar, bass and vocals, but you still need amplification.

YYRC… Had to look up IIRC. Thought that was something sound related haha. Anyway, yes I guess i know I’m trying distill this way down as best i can but understand may not be possible. Already starting to see that there is no way i can anticipate all my needs so hopefully not ultimately fruitless. I at least “feel” like I’m getting somewhere now.
My understanding us that the headrush core modeler can handle vocals and bass and i hope electric acoustic and keyboard….

Here is some info:
“Containing a huge library of realistic and responsive guitar FX, amps, cabs and microphone emulations, the HeadRush Core provides virtually unlimited impulse response loading, and the ability to capture the sound of your own precious analog gear with ‘smart cloning’ technology. For the singers who need a complementary vocal processing unit, the Core also features a full suite of vocal FX including the industry-standard Antares Auto-Tune® and a best-in-class looper.”

I think the complexity is coming from trying to do everything you want with the minimum amount of gear, and there are some overlaps between the gear, e.g.,

1. So this is first case scenario…. “

guitar modeler into FRFR

So this is going to sound good/ be a realistic reproduction for in home practice use. And i could use all instruments and vocals set up this way? With the understanding that if i need to add pedals and such or the vocalist needs to add “pedals” or whatever they call their effects, all of this would need to be plugged into the core…. And i’m limited to the number of jacks. But ultimately worst case would be that everyone would need to have their own rig (because say i wanted to add bass (not a second guitar jack) then that would need to come from their own rig. But for my purposes i could just unplug guitar and plug in bass to practice (or send to record) on individual instruments… or something along those lines. Guessing maybe i could have some kind of switch with multiple guitar jacks so could keep my acoustic electric, electric guitar, and bass plugged into and switch between them….
And then the modeler could just be connected to the FRFR/s…. I’m thinking for home/ studio use.
Then thinking if band comes over and wants/ needs to use their mixer i could just plug my rig into that on a channel they have setup for me and i could at least input my guitar. Not clear on how drums or vocals would work in this case through the mixer because for all practical purposes i think what I’m doing for all practical purposes is using the core as a pseudo mixer (dang). Guess i would need to unplug the FRFR from the core and plug into their mixer. Or just get my own usb mixer like you talked about before and then I’m already set for everything my end then when they come over they “just” plug in. That way my core is just acting like my rig to the mixer…. At least that’s the way I’m thinking about it.

vs guitar modeler into mixer into PA

2. And this is second scenario…..
…. That has a mic keyboard and drum sound equipment all tied into it so i can switch to whatever instrument i want to play? Exaggerating the situation here but could that work? Maybe if i plugged my rig into the mixer that the venue is using? Which would feed the PA? That way my rig is relatively compact and I’m not causing anyone any grief that they are not accustomed to. Everybody else has their own rig. And i can go back and forth between guitar and drums and vocals etc with my rig so I’m comfortable and have all my controls but the soundman still has control of what going on in my rig (and everyone elses) before it gets to the PA?

vs guitar modeler into audio interface / computer / studio monitors.

3. And 3rd…For this could i just not keep my whole rig intact and basically just use that as my mixer for bass, guitar, accoustiic and vocals then patch all those instruments either individually or together to my computer for editing and then recording? If i needed a mixer for something else it would go between my rig and the computer? Or would my setup now just allow me to plug my computer into the FRFR…. Or maybe even connect it wirelessly (doubtful sound editing would work but who knows. Pretty sure the speakers have Bluetooth/ wireless capability…. Just don’t know what for.

All three would work, but not be ideal for all your situations. The first two would be fine for live, practice, and with other musicians; the last would be good for recording and playback, but not loud enough for acoustic drums.

Agree on where complexity is coming from. So studio monitors are not going to be able to work with my acoustic drums. Even if i run them through a modeler or module….. for recording purposes. If I’m just playing them in the studio I’m going to mostly need to be playing them with headphones anyway for hearing protection so i will be listening to them through those all the time so i can get my kit dialed in for recording? At least thats how I’m thinking about it. My interface I’m thinking will be the Yamaha EAD 10 which ill control the mix and output from then run that to the core and the core would connect to the FRFRs. Thinking i can Just turn the FRFRs off when practicing by myself or leave them on when recording or someone else needs to hear what I’m doing.
If i were to take this approach why would i need both studio monitors and an FRFR. Could the FRFR not do double duty? Espescually since you’re saying the studio monitors can’t handle the drums? If acoustic drums are digitally processed through the EAD10 and or a mixer then can the studio monitors be used for the drums and all of the other outputs from the core?
Would like to figure out a way not to have to have both studio monitors and an FRFR system if possible. Ideally the FRFRs could also double as speakers for listening for pleasure in the house as well…. Though I’m questioning the feasibilty of that.

Maybe approach it this way: guitar modeler rig, PA/band rig, and computer / recording rig? Design each rich separately to meet your needs, then see what components you need and any overlap.

Addressed this in the very beginning.

 

[rsm]

Can't add more text in-line if I quote your message.

Looks like the Headrush Core can do vocals, guitar and bass, but it only has two inputs so you may not be able to do all three at once, but maybe any two?

The FRFR-112 MkII has a mix out, that you can run to a mixer and PA for use with a band context, this way you can hear yourself (stage monitor) and send your sound to the PA at the same time.

The EAD 10 looks like it sends a stereo out, and sends audio over USB...so you could record direct to your computer with it, and not need an audio interface.

If you wanted to listen to your computer recordings, you may want to consider an audio interface, and you can connect it to the FRFR-112 left and right inputs, see how it sounds before deciding on studio monitors.

I think we're getting close to solutions!

 

[QuestionThat]

Thanks RSM.

Can't add more text in-line if I quote your message.

I'm glad you cleaned this up!

Looks like the Headrush Core can do vocals, guitar and bass, but it only has two inputs so you may not be able to do all three at once, but maybe any two?

I'm pretty sure it can do vocals and a guitar and a keyboard all at the same time. Not sure about adding a bass. Would be awesome if I could also figure out a way to work that in but definitely not a deal breaker. The way I'm looking at it is this is mostly for me (maybe girlfriend singing along) and I can't play drums, electric guitar, bass, and acoustic electric all at the same time anyway. That's why I mentioned (yeah I know it's buried in all the mess above) that maybe I could have some sort of switch that I plug all the guitars in, then I could just reach over and select on the switch whichever one I wanted to feed into the core. Could that work?
Maybe Kind of the same thing with the drums. There just connected through the EAD and just kind of hanging out until I put the guitar/s down and go over to start playing them. If someone wants to play them while I'm playing the guitar then maybe the rig can accomplish that.... but have no idea.

The FRFR-112 MkII has a mix out, that you can run to a mixer and PA for use with a band context, this way you can hear yourself (stage monitor) and send your sound to the PA at the same time.

So, I could bring my rig with the Core (and the EAD if I chose to) and the band could just plug that into their mixer.... right? Then they would already be tied into the PA. Guess I'm wondering why I would necessarily need to bring the FRFR112 along if they already have the PA? But, regardless I could bring along the FRFR and connect to my rig like normal and then they could connect their mixer to that and still be able to control my sound before it gets the PA if they wanted to? Not sure how that would work since technically after the FRFR. Meaning whatever I'm playing is going to be coming out of the FRFR before they get a hold of it to tone it down or whatever. Unless the FRFR somehow knows that it's supposed to listen to what the mixer is telling it to do when it's plugged in before it sends anything out the FRFR as far as sound goes. If thats the case that would be REALLY cool. Because I could hear right in front of me what they are doing to my sound (or something along those lines. But then what prevents me from overriding what they are doing by changing some sort of setting on the core?

The EAD 10 looks like it sends a stereo out, and sends audio over USB...so you could record direct to your computer with it, and not need an audio interface.

If you wanted to listen to your computer recordings, you may want to consider an audio interface,

What does that look like? Meaning not sure what the audio interface does? Is that something that would hook to my laptop (maybe via usb) then allow for a dual cable to connect to the left and right inputs as you mention below? Guess there is no way to wirelessly connect my laptop to the FRFRs even though they have wireless capability (I think). Maybe some issue with sound quality?

and you can connect it to the FRFR-112 left and right inputs, see how it sounds before deciding on studio monitors.

Yes. That gives me some options!

I think we're getting close to solutions!

Amen Brother! I'm feeling it! Has been a huge help bouncing all this off of you.

 

[rsm]

Thanks RSM.

I'm glad you cleaned this up!

I'm pretty sure it can do vocals and a guitar and a keyboard all at the same time. Not sure about adding a bass. Would be awesome if I could also figure out a way to work that in but definitely not a deal breaker. The way I'm looking at it is this is mostly for me (maybe girlfriend singing along) and I can't play drums, electric guitar, bass, and acoustic electric all at the same time anyway. That's why I mentioned (yeah I know it's buried in all the mess above) that maybe I could have some sort of switch that I plug all the guitars in, then I could just reach over and select on the switch whichever one I wanted to feed into the core. Could that work?
Maybe Kind of the same thing with the drums. There just connected through the EAD and just kind of hanging out until I put the guitar/s down and go over to start playing them. If someone wants to play them while I'm playing the guitar then maybe the rig can accomplish that.... but have no idea.

I see two inputs, the combo mic/instrument and guitar 1/4"; Keyboards can go directly into FRFR or into a mixer / PA

You could get a switch box that allows you to connect a few inputs to one output, and select which input is active. I've not used one except for a simple ABY pedal.

I'd keep the EAD for drums separate from the Core; since EAD is mono/stereo out, you can take the stereo outs of the EAD and go into the two inputs in the FRFR.

You could get a unpowered mixer and run the Core, EAD, etc. into the mixer, and the stereo outs of the mixer into the FRFR-112 - you won't get stereo separation because there's only one FRFR cab, with two inputs.

So, I could bring my rig with the Core (and the EAD if I chose to) and the band could just plug that into their mixer.... right? Then they would already be tied into the PA. Guess I'm wondering why I would necessarily need to bring the FRFR112 along if they already have the PA? But, regardless I could bring along the FRFR and connect to my rig like normal and then they could connect their mixer to that and still be able to control my sound before it gets the PA if they wanted to? Not sure how that would work since technically after the FRFR. Meaning whatever I'm playing is going to be coming out of the FRFR before they get a hold of it to tone it down or whatever. Unless the FRFR somehow knows that it's supposed to listen to what the mixer is telling it to do when it's plugged in before it sends anything out the FRFR as far as sound goes. If thats the case that would be REALLY cool. Because I could hear right in front of me what they are doing to my sound (or something along those lines. But then what prevents me from overriding what they are doing by changing some sort of setting on the core?

If the band has a mixer and PA, you can go direct from the Core into the mixer, or Core --> FRFR ---> Mixer; you would control your sound from the Core.

in the Core --> FRFR --> Mixer, the FRFR is acting as stage monitor for whatever is coming out of the Core.

and same for the EAD. You'd have to use the mono out on the Core and the EAD each going to one channel of the FRFR.

What does that look like? Meaning not sure what the audio interface does? Is that something that would hook to my laptop (maybe via usb) then allow for a dual cable to connect to the left and right inputs as you mention below? Guess there is no way to wirelessly connect my laptop to the FRFRs even though they have wireless capability (I think). Maybe some issue with sound quality?

Yes. That gives me some options!

Amen Brother! I'm feeling it! Has been a huge help bouncing all this off of you.

The audio interface works with your computer to send/receive audio signals, and provide output to studio monitors; and it helps you manage sound quality vs latency.

If you can send audio over bluetooth, and your FRFR accepts audio over bluetooth you can send wireless.

If not, you can also get that in-ear wireless system I mentioned earlier. If your FRFR has an aux in, connect the wireless receiver into the aux in in the FRFR, and connect the transmitter to your computer headphone out? Haven't tried it, but this is what I got on Amazon:

LEKATO MS-1 Wireless in Ear Monitor System 2.4G Stereo Wireless IEM System with Transmitter Beltpack Receiver Automatic Pairing, for Studio, Band Rehearsal, Live Performance (Black)​

 

[QuestionThat]

I see two inputs, the combo mic/instrument and guitar 1/4"; Keyboards can go directly into FRFR or into a mixer / PA

You could get a switch box that allows you to connect a few inputs to one output, and select which input is active. I've not used one except for a simple ABY pedal.

I'd keep the EAD for drums separate from the Core; since EAD is mono/stereo out, you can take the stereo outs of the EAD and go into the two inputs in the FRFR.

You could get a unpowered mixer and run the Core, EAD, etc. into the mixer, and the stereo outs of the mixer into the FRFR-112 - you won't get stereo separation because there's only one FRFR cab, with two inputs.



If the band has a mixer and PA, you can go direct from the Core into the mixer, or Core --> FRFR ---> Mixer; you would control your sound from the Core.

in the Core --> FRFR --> Mixer, the FRFR is acting as stage monitor for whatever is coming out of the Core.

and same for the EAD. You'd have to use the mono out on the Core and the EAD each going to one channel of the FRFR.



The audio interface works with your computer to send/receive audio signals, and provide output to studio monitors; and it helps you manage sound quality vs latency.

If you can send audio over bluetooth, and your FRFR accepts audio over bluetooth you can send wireless.

If not, you can also get that in-ear wireless system I mentioned earlier. If your FRFR has an aux in, connect the wireless receiver into the aux in in the FRFR, and connect the transmitter to your computer headphone out? Haven't tried it, but this is what I got on Amazon:

LEKATO MS-1 Wireless in Ear Monitor System 2.4G Stereo Wireless IEM System with Transmitter Beltpack Receiver Automatic Pairing, for Studio, Band Rehearsal, Live Performance (Black)​

Some of this making sense to me and some not right this minute. Let me chew on it for awhile/ do some more research and I'll get back to you. Thanks RSM.

 

[QuestionThat]

Apologies for the delay. I've been in major research mode on a lot of this trying to gain an understanding. Getting VERY close to pulling the trigger on this now.
Able to address some of your comments now. Thanks RSM.

I see two inputs, the combo mic/instrument and guitar 1/4"; Keyboards can go directly into FRFR or into a mixer / PA

I was thinking the keyboard could attach to the midi socket.....

You could get a switch box that allows you to connect a few inputs to one output, and select which input is active. I've not used one except for a simple ABY pedal.

This would be good for guitars maybe. But probably just easier (and less cables) as I think about it if I just unplug guitar and replace with another. Unless I'm missing something.

I'd keep the EAD for drums separate from the Core; since EAD is mono/stereo out, you can take the stereo outs of the EAD and go into the two inputs in the FRFR.

That makes sense as I think it through. But then how do I handle the Headrush Core to the FRFR? I notice that there are two inputs to the FRFR. So I would just plug in the mono plug from the EAD10 (since no stereo capabilities anyway.... right?) Then also the mono plug from the Core in the other jack. So both EAD10 & core feed the FRFR and sound from each is audible from the FRFR? Then if down the road I get another FRFR, I would just add new cables from both the EAD10 & the Core from the stereo outputs to the FRFR?
Doing this way then I can simply either turn on the EAD10 or the Core or both? Is that right?
And I wouldn't need a mixer. And because vocals (mic) and keyoard are possible inputs to the core (and therefor possible outputs in the mix then I can have vocals, drums & guitar (or keyboard) and possibly other combinations that will be mixed together in the FRFR. That sounds almost perfect. FYI I Found out after talkig with a rep that the Core only supports two instruments or 1 instrument & vocals even though has midi for keyboard. That was kind of a bummer but not a deal breaker.

You could get a unpowered mixer and run the Core, EAD, etc. into the mixer, and the stereo outs of the mixer into the FRFR-112 - you won't get stereo separation because there's only one FRFR cab, with two inputs.

This makes sense too and I've been considering a mixer. Was hoping to not need one but may end up having to get one. Have been researching. Looking for a 10 or 12 channel that has usb out that is multitrack (at least I think my understanding is correct on this). Hard to find ones that are within my budget. Wondering if I could potentially make do with an "audio interface" vs the mixer. I understand that I wouldn't be able to do any mixing on the fly (would need to do all on a DAW).... and really don't like this idea. But, since I'm able to "mix" all of my drum stuff (for the most part) on the EAD and all of my guitar and vocal stuff (for the most part) on the core, then thinking this approach could be manageable. So.... only use the computer software for fine tuning type studio mixing.

Why would I need to get an "unpowered" mixer?

Some mixers I've been looking at that might have multitrack capabilities are:
Soundcraft Signature MTK12 14in12out. $619.00
Behringer 4FX12. Only $189.00 New on amazon. It's classified as a "legacy" product so not sure what that means. Might be worth it to start with the whole mixing thing.
There's also Tascam Model 12, Tascam 1202Xenex 1202 SFX Analog, & 1204 USB..... But I'm back and forth on whether any of these are mult-track capable.
I like the yamahas but I don't think any of those are multitrack cable with the usb they offer.
I'm confused about what other options there are that are sub $800.00 or so. Can't understand the specs on some of these as relates back to multitrack capable.

There is also the option of just going X number of channels (say 4) that can be output individually. But I'm not clear on how this would be accomplished.... and what the specs are saying relative to whether this will accomplish the task I'm looking for.

Not even 100% sure I would want/ need the multitrack capabilities but seems like would be nice to have.... for no other reason than futureproofing.

SEEMS like there are more options for audio interfaces that have either multitrack or individual outputs than mixers (at least in my price range.

Down the road I could always get another FRFR and have stereo.

If the band has a mixer and PA, you can go direct from the Core into the mixer, or Core --> FRFR ---> Mixer; you would control your sound from the Core.

The band does have a mixer. But I was hoping to figure out a way that they don't need to bring it when they come to the house to play. Not absolute but if I'm going to need one to accomplish my purposes would be great if it was big enough for them to use as well. In the past they have brought their own cabinet (and mixer) to the house. I'm trying to save them that headache if I can. So to your point, IF I have a mixer and I have the FRFR then my core would already be tied to "my" mixer and my mixer already tied to my FRFR, so all they would need to do is plug in to the mixer. If I brought my core/ guitar etc to the venue then all I would need to do is plug into their mixer (which would be tied into their PA. So basically I'm bringing the pedal with me for my effects and settings etc..... at least that's how I'm thinking about it.
Alternatively as I think you're suggesting, I could also keep my core hooked directly to the FRFR at home (no mixer) but that would suit my purposes only. But if I wanted to take both the core and the FRFR to the venue then I could daisy chain my setup (Core to FRFR) to their mixer and I would maintain control of my sound out of the FRFR? Is that what you are saying? What would be the downside of that? For me? For the sound guy.

in the Core --> FRFR --> Mixer, the FRFR is acting as stage monitor for whatever is coming out of the Core.

Stage monitor as in it's for me to hear what I'm sending to the mixer/ the soundguy? Not intended for playing audibly to the audience right? But guessing it could be used as speaker that is specific to my instrument with the sound techs blessing. Would this normally remain on? Does it have to remain on? Assuming if I were to adjust the volume either via the FRFR or the core that that would affect the volume coming out of the mixer as well?

and same for the EAD. You'd have to use the mono out on the Core and the EAD each going to one channel of the FRFR.

OK. Yes, this is what I was trying to think through above. But just to be clear, it doesn't matter anyway since I only have one speaker.... so no way to get stereo out as far as sound goes.

But this does bring up another question. What is the difference between supplying pure mono to the cabinet vs using both of the outputs from EITHER EAD10 or Core (because not a possibility since want to hook up both the EAD10 and the Core to one speaker). Meaning how is the sound different when from one device I plug in one mono cable vs plugging in both cables? Am I going to be happier with both cables from both devices? I guess if that's the case then the only way I'll be able to hook up the core and the EAD to the one FRFR with that setup is going to be through either a mixer or audio interface. Right?

The audio interface works with your computer to send/receive audio signals, and provide output to studio monitors; and it helps you manage sound quality vs latency.

I think this is what I'm describing above. Forgetting being set up for band to come over and I'm willing to just go mono output to cabinet from both the EAD10 and the Core, then for the equipment that I currently have I would not need one. But I will still need a way to connect both my EAD10 & my Core via USB to my computer and hardwired correct? I mean I'm not going to be able to run software for mixing and such wirelessly am I. Yes, my computer, the EAD10, the Core & the FRFR Cabinet are all bluetooth capable and wireless as well (I think). So, I get that I could conceivably send files and music to and from and listen to music from the different devices just not sure about actually using software and editing.
Similarly, I don't think that I'm going to be able to SEND audio from either the Core or the EAD10 to the FRFR cabinet wirelessly right? Going to have to be cabled.....
Unless I can do everthing wirelessly will need to be able to come up with a way to get both the EAD10 & the Core Connected to my computer and/ or possibly an ipad for mixing & recording. So guessing this is where the mixer or audio interface might come into play.
Or maybe there is a less expensive device that can handle this?

If you can send audio over bluetooth, and your FRFR accepts audio over bluetooth you can send wireless.

See above for some clarification I need to get my head wrapped around this.

If not, you can also get that in-ear wireless system I mentioned earlier. If your FRFR has an aux in, connect the wireless receiver into the aux in in the FRFR, and connect the transmitter to your computer headphone out? Haven't tried it, but this is what I got on Amazon:

Not thinking I will need this since everything I have is going to be wireless capable.

I'm probably going to start another thread regarding mixers and audio interfaces etc.....

 

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Apologies for the delay. I've been in major research mode on a lot of this trying to gain an understanding. Getting VERY close to pulling the trigger on this now.
Able to address some of your comments now. Thanks RSM.

I was thinking the keyboard could attach to the midi socket.....

That will send or receive MIDI signals not audio

This would be good for guitars maybe. But probably just easier (and less cables) as I think about it if I just unplug guitar and replace with another. Unless I'm missing something.

That makes sense as I think it through. But then how do I handle the Headrush Core to the FRFR? I notice that there are two inputs to the FRFR. So I would just plug in the mono plug from the EAD10 (since no stereo capabilities anyway.... right?) Then also the mono plug from the Core in the other jack. So both EAD10 & core feed the FRFR and sound from each is audible from the FRFR? Then if down the road I get another FRFR, I would just add new cables from both the EAD10 & the Core from the stereo outputs to the FRFR?

Yes, to use the Core and EAD10 into the FRFR-112 at the same time you would have to use mono on both Core and EAD10

Doing this way then I can simply either turn on the EAD10 or the Core or both? Is that right?

Yes. Using the Core stereo out into both inputs of the FRFR-112 won't give you true stereo as there isn't any separation (distance). To run the Core in true stereo you're back to a mixer + PA

And I wouldn't need a mixer. And because vocals (mic) and keyoard are possible inputs to the core (and therefor possible outputs in the mix then I can have vocals, drums & guitar (or keyboard) and possibly other combinations that will be mixed together in the FRFR. That sounds almost perfect. FYI I Found out after talkig with a rep that the Core only supports two instruments or 1 instrument & vocals even though has midi for keyboard. That was kind of a bummer but not a deal breaker.

I only see the combo jack and guitar inputs; have to check what the combo jack takes besides a mic input, if it takes line level input, you can use it for keyboards or bass.

This makes sense too and I've been considering a mixer. Was hoping to not need one but may end up having to get one. Have been researching. Looking for a 10 or 12 channel that has usb out that is multitrack (at least I think my understanding is correct on this). Hard to find ones that are within my budget. Wondering if I could potentially make do with an "audio interface" vs the mixer. I understand that I wouldn't be able to do any mixing on the fly (would need to do all on a DAW).... and really don't like this idea. But, since I'm able to "mix" all of my drum stuff (for the most part) on the EAD and all of my guitar and vocal stuff (for the most part) on the core, then thinking this approach could be manageable. So.... only use the computer software for fine tuning type studio mixing.

Some mixers can also be an audio interface; check to see if they pass audio over USB. Then you would only need a USB mixer; I have an inexpensive Behringer Xenyx USB mixer that does this. So you could send all the mixer audio to your computer DAW directly from the mixer over USB.

Not sure how it will sound, but you could also try the mixer main outs (L & R) to the two inputs on your FRFR-112...I think it may be too much signal and not sound good, or distort quickly.

Why would I need to get an "unpowered" mixer?

Unpowered mixers don't have an internal amp, so they run cooler, less weight, etc. use it with powered PA cabs which have the amps in the speaker cabs.

If you get a powered mixer, then you need to run passive / unpowered PA cabs.

Just a preference; PA cabs are already heavy, adding an amp and it's weight into the cab works better for me. and keeps my mixer smaller and lightweight.

My cheap Behringer Xenyx USB unpowered mixer does multi-track recording over USB, just map each mixer channel to a different input in your DAW

There is also the option of just going X number of channels (say 4) that can be output individually. But I'm not clear on how this would be accomplished.... and what the specs are saying relative to whether this will accomplish the task I'm looking for.

Not even 100% sure I would want/ need the multitrack capabilities but seems like would be nice to have.... for no other reason than futureproofing.

True, but since you're not 100% sure what you'll want or need in the future, no need to get it know. Part of this process is as you use your gear you figure out what's missing and what you need, then upgrade different components gradually over time. IMO

SEEMS like there are more options for audio interfaces that have either multitrack or individual outputs than mixers (at least in my price range.

Yes, you can get multichannel audio interfaces, but those all go over the USB or Firewire connection into the computer, just like the mixer.

Down the road I could always get another FRFR and have stereo.

Yes

The band does have a mixer.

Yes, but I think the FRFR-112 or a pair of them with a mixer may do for 1-2 people, it may not scale for a full band as it's not designed as a PA speaker.

If your band has powered PA speakers, they could bring those for a full band, and if you have an unpowered USB mixer you could use it for band practice and record into your computer DAW over USB at the same time

Alternatively as I think you're suggesting, I could also keep my core hooked directly to the FRFR at home (no mixer) but that would suit my purposes only. But if I wanted to take both the core and the FRFR to the venue then I could daisy chain my setup (Core to FRFR) to their mixer and I would maintain control of my sound out of the FRFR? Is that what you are saying? What would be the downside of that? For me? For the sound guy.

Yes

Stage monitor as in it's for me to hear what I'm sending to the mixer/ the soundguy? Not intended for playing audibly to the audience right? But guessing it could be used as speaker that is specific to my instrument with the sound techs blessing. Would this normally remain on? Does it have to remain on? Assuming if I were to adjust the volume either via the FRFR or the core that that would affect the volume coming out of the mixer as well?

Exactly, just for you to hear yourself on stage, but most likely if you have venue with a sound guy, it's likely they have monitors so you may not even need the FRFR if they can give you a monitor mix with more of you in it...or you can use the wireless in-ears from the Core's headphone out...this way you can hear yourself in your in-ears, and everyone else + you in the stage monitors.

OK. Yes, this is what I was trying to think through above. But just to be clear, it doesn't matter anyway since I only have one speaker.... so no way to get stereo out as far as sound goes.

True

But this does bring up another question. What is the difference between supplying pure mono to the cabinet vs using both of the outputs from EITHER EAD10 or Core (because

not much, since you won't get stereo separation with one speaker cab

I think this is what I'm describing above. Forgetting being set up for band to come over and I'm willing to just go mono output to cabinet from both the EAD10 and the Core

Yes, and having the USB mixer will let you send however many channels, including Core stereo out, to your computer DAW
If the cab has bluetooth you can stream audio to it; if not, if it has an aux in, you can use that wireless in-ear rig to send audio to the cab

Similarly, I don't think that I'm going to be able to SEND audio from either the Core or the EAD10 to the FRFR cabinet wirelessly right? Going to have to be cabled.....

you would need a wireless system that sends line-level signals; the output of the Core is line level, the input to the mixer is either mic or line level, so you would need to use a line level channel in the mixer.

Unless I can do everthing wirelessly will need to be able to come up with a way to get both the EAD10 & the Core Connected to my computer and/ or possibly an ipad for mixing & recording. So guessing this is where the mixer or audio interface might come into play.
Or maybe there is a less expensive device that can handle this?

you can get every instrument and mic a wireless system; I suspect your mixer would be close enough to the computer not to need wireless USB?

 

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That will send or receive MIDI signals not audio

Yes, to use the Core and EAD10 into the FRFR-112 at the same time you would have to use mono on both Core and EAD10

Yes. Using the Core stereo out into both inputs of the FRFR-112 won't give you true stereo as there isn't any separation (distance). To run the Core in true stereo you're back to a mixer + PA

I only see the combo jack and guitar inputs; have to check what the combo jack takes besides a mic input, if it takes line level input, you can use it for keyboards or bass.



Some mixers can also be an audio interface; check to see if they pass audio over USB. Then you would only need a USB mixer; I have an inexpensive Behringer Xenyx USB mixer that does this. So you could send all the mixer audio to your computer DAW directly from the mixer over USB.

Not sure how it will sound, but you could also try the mixer main outs (L & R) to the two inputs on your FRFR-112...I think it may be too much signal and not sound good, or distort quickly.



Unpowered mixers don't have an internal amp, so they run cooler, less weight, etc. use it with powered PA cabs which have the amps in the speaker cabs.

If you get a powered mixer, then you need to run passive / unpowered PA cabs.

Just a preference; PA cabs are already heavy, adding an amp and it's weight into the cab works better for me. and keeps my mixer smaller and lightweight.

My cheap Behringer Xenyx USB unpowered mixer does multi-track recording over USB, just map each mixer channel to a different input in your DAW


True, but since you're not 100% sure what you'll want or need in the future, no need to get it know. Part of this process is as you use your gear you figure out what's missing and what you need, then upgrade different components gradually over time. IMO

Yes, you can get multichannel audio interfaces, but those all go over the USB or Firewire connection into the computer, just like the mixer.


Yes


Yes, but I think the FRFR-112 or a pair of them with a mixer may do for 1-2 people, it may not scale for a full band as it's not designed as a PA speaker.

If your band has powered PA speakers, they could bring those for a full band, and if you have an unpowered USB mixer you could use it for band practice and record into your computer DAW over USB at the same time


Yes

Exactly, just for you to hear yourself on stage, but most likely if you have venue with a sound guy, it's likely they have monitors so you may not even need the FRFR if they can give you a monitor mix with more of you in it...or you can use the wireless in-ears from the Core's headphone out...this way you can hear yourself in your in-ears, and everyone else + you in the stage monitors.

True

not much, since you won't get stereo separation with one speaker cab

Yes, and having the USB mixer will let you send however many channels, including Core stereo out, to your computer DAW
If the cab has bluetooth you can stream audio to it; if not, if it has an aux in, you can use that wireless in-ear rig to send audio to the cab

you would need a wireless system that sends line-level signals; the output of the Core is line level, the input to the mixer is either mic or line level, so you would need to use a line level channel in the mixer.

you can get every instrument and mic a wireless system; I suspect your mixer would be close enough to the computer not to need wireless USB?

DANG! Thanks man. Brain overload right this minute. Let me chew on this again. Lot's of great stuff in here..... thinking the wireless component capability and the Behringer USB mixer as option for multitracking in particular! Had no idea. I'm hoping to pull the trigger on all this by Tuesday evening. No wayI could have gotten to this place without your help and insight. Much appreciated!

 

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That will send or receive MIDI signals not audio

Not following. To hook up a keyboard into the midi input I don't need audio do I? Can I just hook up the keyboard and play the keyboard through the input?

Yes, to use the Core and EAD10 into the FRFR-112 at the same time you would have to use mono on both Core and EAD10

Understood

Yes. Using the Core stereo out into both inputs of the FRFR-112 won't give you true stereo as there isn't any separation (distance). To run the Core in true stereo you're back to a mixer + PA

Understand

I only see the combo jack and guitar inputs; have to check what the combo jack takes besides a mic input, if it takes line level input, you can use it for keyboards or bass.

All I'm seeing in the specs is that the combo jack is 1/4" "balanced".

Some mixers can also be an audio interface; check to see if they pass audio over USB. Then you would only need a USB mixer; I have an inexpensive Behringer Xenyx USB mixer that does this. So you could send all the mixer audio to your computer DAW directly from the mixer over USB.

Note. This is a summary for the 24 and not the 12 but should be the same diferences between the Q & the X models.

I'm confused about the Xenex product line.
On Behringers website cut sheet for the Xenex product line it lists the following 12 channel mixers. Note that some of the models have XENEX in the name and others don't. But within the discriptions of the individual models they all reference xenex in some capacity. I have no idea what they are talking about for the most part.

XENEX 1202SFX- $140.00. Premium Analog 12-Input Mixer with USB Streaming Interface and Klark Teknik Effects. This is a small footprint version. Missing a lot of features but has "streaming" capability and is Analog. Don't know what that means relative to functionality or why the other versions wouldn't have streaming capability with their specs.

1204 USB- $190.00. Premium 12-Input 2/2-Bus Mixer with XENYX Mic Preamps and Compressors, British EQ and USB/Audio Interface
X1204 USB- $210.00. Premium 12-Input 2/2-Bus Mixer with XENYX Mic Preamps and Compressors, British EQ, 24-Bit Multi-FX Processor and USB/Audio Interface. Looks like paying $20.00 for onboard effects otherwise probably the same as the Q1204 USB I think.

Q1204 USB- $190.00. Premium 12-Input 2/2-Bus Mixer with XENYX Mic Preamps and Compressors, Wireless Option and USB/Audio Interface
QX1204 USB- $210.00. Premium 12-Input 2/2-Bus Mixer with XENYX Mic Preamps and Compressors, Klark Teknik Multi-FX Processor, Wireless Option and USB/Audio Interface. Looks like paying $20.00 for onboard effects otherwise probably the same as the Q1204 USB I think.

The way I'm looking at this is that if I want British EQ I have to forgo wireless capability and the Klark Teknik Multi-FX
If I want Klark Tekni Multi-FX Processer & Wireless, then I need to forgo the British EQ.
Thinking with the core pedal I'll have for all practical purposes the British EQ function anyway in the form of an amp modeler. Read that the British EQ is basically the sound of amps from the 60's and 70's and would be not unlike the Marshalls. Overgeneralizing here probably but that's the way I'm interpreting it.

So, probably pay $20 extra for the Multi-FX Processor and go with the QX1204 USB as my Mixer. That of course is assuming that it has the capability of handling audio via the usb and capable of separating everything into separate tracks in the output.

Are the jacks on the back of this thing duplicates of the jacks on the Top? So, it's an either or thing for some of the jacks? I get that some of the jacks are for different purposes but I note that mic jacks are both on top and on the back...

Not sure how it will sound, but you could also try the mixer main outs (L & R) to the two inputs on your FRFR-112...I think it may be too much signal and not sound good, or distort quickly.

I think I'm following. Since I would be tying the EAD10 & the Core into the mixer in this solution I can run both of the stereo 1/4" jacks from each device and connect them to the mixer. Now that everything is in stereo now in the mixer I can cable that out with 2 output cables and connect that to the 2 inputs into the speaker. I will be combining the signals. Read up on that a little bit (can't remember what that is called but acts like something along the lines of blending the two initially separated channels so may be unbalanced so may cause some sound issues. A lot of what I was reading was saying that mono would be better.... probably. Also read (which suprised me) that in general, stereo might be good for a home application but for a stage application possibly better to have 2 mono speakers so both speakers playing the same thing. That way people far left and far right of stage (as example) will be hearing the same thing. Does that make sense? Would you agree with that?

Unpowered mixers don't have an internal amp, so they run cooler, less weight, etc. use it with powered PA cabs which have the amps in the speaker cabs.

If you get a powered mixer, then you need to run passive / unpowered PA cabs.

Looks like all of the mixers above are unpowered. I'm guessing the Headrush 112 FRFR's are powered in a way that would allow for running them off of an unpowered mixer. Right?

Just a preference; PA cabs are already heavy, adding an amp and it's weight into the cab works better for me. and keeps my mixer smaller and lightweight.

Makes sense

My cheap Behringer Xenyx USB unpowered mixer does multi-track recording over USB, just map each mixer channel to a different input in your DAW

Assume you have one of the models above? Do you think the usb models above have the multitrack functionality? I'm taking "USB/Audio Interface" as a spec to mean that it does have that functionality.

True, but since you're not 100% sure what you'll want or need in the future, no need to get it know. Part of this process is as you use your gear you figure out what's missing and what you need, then upgrade different components gradually over time. IMO

I hear you. I might be able to figure out a way to get by without a mixer. But it's looking like it would be more of a piecemeal solution at this point. On top of that won't have the ability to have the band patch into my "rig" which means they wouldn't have the option to leave their mixer behind. Kind of seems like it's a $200 no brainer in this case. For me it's worth the experience and just learning about these things for way more than that.

Yes, you can get multichannel audio interfaces, but those all go over the USB or Firewire connection into the computer, just like the mixer.

Looks like that is not a necessary option at this point...

Yes

Yes, but I think the FRFR-112 or a pair of them with a mixer may do for 1-2 people, it may not scale for a full band as it's not designed as a PA speaker.

Humh. I had no idea this wouldn't carry everyone. I saw 2000 watts and was thinking that was a lot of power. Didn't realize that a PA speaker was some sort of special monster speaker & amp etc. So, you think even for at my house this one (or two) would not power everyone. Typically a keyboard, 2 or 3 mics, an electric guitar and a bass. Drums would be acoustic in this case.... more than likely. Volume would be low enough that no one is wearing any sort of hearing protection. Now at the venue it would be different. So, we're back to what you mentioned before that if I were to bring the FRFR112 it would simply be used for a monitor.
Thoughts?

If your band has powered PA speakers, they could bring those for a full band, and if you have an unpowered USB mixer you could use it for band practice and record into your computer DAW over USB at the same time

Sounds like that could work. I've never paid a whole lot of attention to the type of speaker/ cabinet/ PA they bring when they come to the house but it's not huge. If a speaker/ monitor/ cabinet plugs in I would assume that means "powered" correct? Or is there more to it than that?

 

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Yes

Exactly, just for you to hear yourself on stage, but most likely if you have venue with a sound guy, it's likely they have monitors so you may not even need the FRFR if they can give you a monitor mix with more of you in it...or you can use the wireless in-ears from the Core's headphone out...this way you can hear yourself in your in-ears, and everyone else + you in the stage monitors.

That makes sense. So the sound guy could conceivably send out of the mixer to my headphones a mix that has everyone subdued except my voice and or the instrument I'm playing?

True

not much, since you won't get stereo separation with one speaker cab

Yes, and having the USB mixer will let you send however many channels, including Core stereo out, to your computer DAW
If the cab has bluetooth you can stream audio to it; if not, if it has an aux in, you can use that wireless in-ear rig to send audio to the cab

Make sure I'm understanding correctly. It looks like based on all my equipment having wireless capability that I wouldn't need to connect any cables to my DAW or the FRFRs? That could all be handled wirelessly? What about connecting the EAD10 & the Core to the mixer? Could that be handled wirelessly as well? Feel like I'm off about the wireless capabilities here for all components involved but just figured I'd ask.

you would need a wireless system that sends line-level signals; the output of the Core is line level, the input to the mixer is either mic or line level, so you would need to use a line level channel in the mixer.

How do you determine which channels are line level in a mixer. Do they Behringers have that functionality?

you can get every instrument and mic a wireless system; I suspect your mixer would be close enough to the computer not to need wireless USB?

Really? I can connect my guitar a keyboard mics and whatever to the mixer wirelessly? And yes the computer would be close enough to connect to the mixer wirelessly as well if that is possible.

Feeling a whole lot better about the technology side of things now. Wireless capability comprehension is the weak link right now.

Thanks Again!