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Thanks RSM. Much appreciated. Yeah i think this is more complicated in that I’m trying to do both acoustic drums and guitar with one setup…. And thats just for starters. I also recognize however that if I don’t think this through on some level its going to get expensive fast. So just trying to dumb things down as best i can while getting a good system that can reasonably handle both.
Maybe i need to start a new thread or 3 to break some of this stuff out.
For now though.
1. Need wireless capability so i can listen to backing tracks on drums through my headphones (i think)
2. Need amp models
3. Need effects models
4. Need to have a place to plug in a wah pedal
5. Need to have a place to plug in a mic for vocals
6. Need to have a usb etc out for recording
7. Need to have a good speaker (monitor) that can handle the band that comes over to my house to play.
8. Need to have a way to hook the band mixer into all of this
9. Want capabilities of updating firmware to whatever modeler i end up with.
10. Would like to understand hiw these backing tracks work. Thinking like tonex options for drum kits. Have no clue what these features are for, how they work and why i would pay for plugins of other types of instruments.
11. One of the pedals has a feature that allows for finishing off the last note following switching from say clean to wah without an abrupt change. That seems necessary to me too.
 
What’s the history with that amp? Is it your first amp? Never heard of that brand but i know nothing about amp nostalgia. I can definitely see now how people get wrapped up in this though.
This:
she's joking.

It's just a joke thrown around here since a lot of us had them.
Highly recommended ...to pass on.

Hedging my bets sort of. Betting someone had that as a first amp and would have a hard time letting it go…. Fwiw I didn’t get the impression “she” was making a recommendation….. more like an i observation
It was pretty easy to let go of, tbh. Fit in the trash without issue.
Thanks for using "she" though, as I identify as a cantaloupe.

Anyways, some good info here. Not much to add on my end, but I'd probably recommend balancing more of your budget towards the amp and fx over the guitar. Although I'm not recommending against it, either.
 
Thanks RSM. Much appreciated. Yeah i think this is more complicated in that I’m trying to do both acoustic drums and guitar with one setup…. And thats just for starters. I also recognize however that if I don’t think this through on some level its going to get expensive fast. So just trying to dumb things down as best i can while getting a good system that can reasonably handle both.
Maybe i need to start a new thread or 3 to break some of this stuff out.
For now though.
1. Need wireless capability so i can listen to backing tracks on drums through my headphones (i think)
You can get an inexpensive stereo wireless system for in-ears from Amazon, and plug in your standard headphones.
2. Need amp models
3. Need effects models
HX-Stomp or similar modeler; you can add an expression pedal and set it to one of the wah models
4. Need to have a place to plug in a wah pedal
You can put a wah pedal in front of your modeler, e.g., HX Stomp.
5. Need to have a place to plug in a mic for vocals
6. Need to have a usb etc out for recording
unpowered USB mixer into a powered PA with at least one sub
7. Need to have a good speaker (monitor) that can handle the band that comes over to my house to play.
have a look at Alto Professional powered PA cabs and subs; I have three PAs with their powered cabs and subs: small, medium and large
8. Need to have a way to hook the band mixer into all of this
unpowered USB mixer as above, or use the band mixer directly with your powered PA + Sub(s) - don't use a powered mixer with powered PA cabs though!
9. Want capabilities of updating firmware to whatever modeler i end up with.
Most do this; Line 6 is much better than some others (looking at you, Boss!) for updating their modelers
10. Would like to understand hiw these backing tracks work. Thinking like tonex options for drum kits. Have no clue what these features are for, how they work and why i would pay for plugins of other types of instruments.
some modelers have drum tracks, but are usually limited vs plugins or buying backing tracks...you can find free backing tracks online, some let you add or remove different instruments from the playback
11. One of the pedals has a feature that allows for finishing off the last note following switching from say clean to wah without an abrupt change. That seems necessary to me too.
Check to see if your modeler has trails, i.e., it lets you decide if you cut off the note when switching patches or let it continue
 
You can get an inexpensive stereo wireless system for in-ears from Amazon, and plug in your standard headphones.

HX-Stomp or similar modeler; you can add an expression pedal and set it to one of the wah models

You can put a wah pedal in front of your modeler, e.g., HX Stomp.

unpowered USB mixer into a powered PA with at least one sub

have a look at Alto Professional powered PA cabs and subs; I have three PAs with their powered cabs and subs: small, medium and large

unpowered USB mixer as above, or use the band mixer directly with your powered PA + Sub(s) - don't use a powered mixer with powered PA cabs though!

Most do this; Line 6 is much better than some others (looking at you, Boss!) for updating their modelers

some modelers have drum tracks, but are usually limited vs plugins or buying backing tracks...you can find free backing tracks online, some let you add or remove different instruments from the playback

Check to see if your modeler has trails, i.e., it lets you decide if you cut off the note when switching patches or let it continue
Thanks RSM. Huge help. Lots to chew on for me though. Need to digest and get back with you. Thanks!
 
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This:


It's just a joke thrown around here since a lot of us had them.
Highly recommended ...to pass on.


It was pretty easy to let go of, tbh. Fit in the trash without issue.
Thanks for using "she" though, as I identify as a cantaloupe.

Anyways, some good info here. Not much to add on my end, but I'd probably recommend balancing more of your budget towards the amp and fx over the guitar. Although I'm not recommending against it, either.
Gotcha. What era was that from. Can’t gelp but notice rsm’s kiss album cover so assuming that he at least is over 20. Probably.
Note that the she in quotation marks has nothing to do with gender type stuff other than what rsj refereed to you “as” earlier…. Was more about making sure that you were a female rather than a male. But now that i know you’re a canteloupe guess i have some more research to do….
Thanks for the follow up!
 
fuck all that homie....get a 5150 full stack and a charvel...then get a wah, boost and delay. Learn lay it down, crank it-and watch all the panties drop in a 2 mile radius. THIS IS RIG CAULK!!!!!!!
Excellent advice!! Get everyone to hate you from day one!!!
 
Gotcha. What era was that from. Can’t gelp but notice rsm’s kiss album cover so assuming that he at least is over 20. Probably.
Note that the she in quotation marks has nothing to do with gender type stuff other than what rsj refereed to you “as” earlier…. Was more about making sure that you were a female rather than a male. But now that i know you’re a canteloupe guess i have some more research to do….
Thanks for the follow up!

Yeah, those amps are from the 80s.
Probably won't find too many members here sub 20.
...Well, except for me. :ROFLMAO:
 
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What kind of music do you want to play? Forgive me if you have already mentioned that, as I've been awake since 04:30 CDT.
 
What kind of music do you want to play? Forgive me if you have already mentioned that, as I've been awake since 04:30 CDT.
Left that out actually. But since you ask.
Audioslave, soundgarden (chris cornell fanatic) even his not with the bands stuff and early bands. STP, velvet revolver…. Scott weiland similar to chris cornell, Dire straits/ mark knophler, Pink floyd/ david gilmour, Led zepelin, guns and roses, the cult, dave matthews, david bowie, rush, metallica.
Not big into metal.
Not into blues too much either but could see myself gravitating that way some once i learn guitar…. Think dwayne allman and not so much stevie ray per se. And bluesy stuff along the lines of Gilmour and mark knophler…. If i can find similar artists that I don’t know about yet. Some tom petty. If any “country” along the lines of dwight yokum and such.
You asked lol.
 
Left that out actually. But since you ask.
Audioslave, soundgarden (chris cornell fanatic) even his not with the bands stuff and early bands. STP, velvet revolver…. Scott weiland similar to chris cornell, Dire straits/ mark knophler, Pink floyd/ david gilmour, Led zepelin, guns and roses, the cult, dave matthews, david bowie, rush, metallica.
Not big into metal.
Not into blues too much either but could see myself gravitating that way some once i learn guitar…. Think dwayne allman and not so much stevie ray per se. And bluesy stuff along the lines of Gilmour and mark knophler…. If i can find similar artists that I don’t know about yet. Some tom petty. If any “country” along the lines of dwight yokum and such.
You asked lol.

You're not too far all over the map. A good Marshall and some boost pedals could cover a lot of that. I know you mentioned digital modeling which isn't a bad way to start. Like someone else said earlier, you can figure out what you would probably like by playing the models, and you could move on to a nice tube amp later. You might decide that you like something else that suits "you".

At the end of the day, you just want to find something you like that inspires you to play. Your ears, hands and soul are all that matters.

There is a lot of knowledge on this forum.
 
Thanks Dale. Good to know! I’ll look into the Marshalls and the “boost pedals”. Out of curiosity what are yours (and others) thoughts on the FR cabs. My understanding would be that they basically don’t have any sound characteristics in and of themselves….. so the best way i know to think about it is they are sterile. So whatever you “program” into your modeler (or grab already premade from the modeler) will be reproduced as it was intended. If I’m right about this i can see how tgat could be a good or bad thing depending. Not sure how that fits in with “studio monitor” vs pa or whatever other types of speaker systems there are out there either….
Could use some help getting my head wrapped around those differences if someone wants to chime in.
 
Thanks RSM. Much appreciated. Yeah i think this is more complicated in that I’m trying to do both acoustic drums and guitar with one setup…. And thats just for starters. I also recognize however that if I don’t think this through on some level its going to get expensive fast. So just trying to dumb things down as best i can while getting a good system that can reasonably handle both.
Maybe i need to start a new thread or 3 to break some of this stuff out.
For now though.
1. Need wireless capability so i can listen to backing tracks on drums through my headphones (i think)
2. Need amp models
3. Need effects models
4. Need to have a place to plug in a wah pedal
5. Need to have a place to plug in a mic for vocals
6. Need to have a usb etc out for recording
7. Need to have a good speaker (monitor) that can handle the band that comes over to my house to play.
8. Need to have a way to hook the band mixer into all of this
9. Want capabilities of updating firmware to whatever modeler i end up with.
10. Would like to understand hiw these backing tracks work. Thinking like tonex options for drum kits. Have no clue what these features are for, how they work and why i would pay for plugins of other types of instruments.
11. One of the pedals has a feature that allows for finishing off the last note following switching from say clean to wah without an abrupt change. That seems necessary to me too.
I can't think if you're way ahead of the curve or out of your mind if you are just learning how to play guitar. I would probably figure out the instrument first and then worry about all the technology . Every piece of gear I bought early on didn't really make me a better player as much as practice did. I don't think of all that stuff now after playing on and off for decades.
 
Get your studio Les Paul and then pick up a used DSL40.
Ok. So lets say i take your advice. Are you/ others thinking that based on my music tastes I won’t need to get a modeler? Hook up a couple of boost pedals (as dan suggested) and i’m good to go? What am i going to be missing based on my “needs”as listed above. Was looking at this….
 

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I can't think if you're way ahead of the curve or out of your mind if you are just learning how to play guitar. I would probably figure out the instrument first and then worry about all the technology . Every piece of gear I bought early on didn't really make me a better player as much as practice did. I don't think of all that stuff now after playing on and off for decades.
Haha. A big haha.
Yeah i can get in deep early on that’s for sure! I hear you too. Just trying to nail some thoughts down so i can pull the trigger on something and be done with most of the leg work going forward…..
 
You can get an inexpensive stereo wireless system for in-ears from Amazon, and plug in your standard headphones.
Need over ear headphones for ear protection from acoustic drums. Also prefer not to have anything in my ears. Think i just need to make sure that whatever modeler i get has wireless capability….
HX-Stomp or similar modeler; you can add an expression pedal and set it to one of the wah models
Interesting. So i get some sort of multifunction pedal and plug it into the modeler and i can select a wah effect (and or others) and use it like a normal wah? Would the modeler come with different models of different effects pedals kind of like the various amp models on board? Any reason i would want/ need a traditional wah then?
You can put a wah pedal in front of your modeler, e.g., HX Stomp.
In front of? Meaning something other than just plugging it into the modeler? Different than the way i would plug in an expression pedal?
unpowered USB mixer into a powered PA with at least one sub
This part was in response to my needing to plug in a mic and have the ability to record. Sub as in subwoofer? Why will i need that? To handle vocals or something? I need ghe mixer to have a place to plug the mic in and get the sound out to record? So basically I would be buying a separate mixer. For whatever reason i was thinking there would be a jacks on the modeler to plug a mic into (so i or girlfriend etc could sing while I’m playing guitar. Then would make sense that there was also a way to get the music (guitar and voice and any kind of backing track lets say) out of the modeler. Granted this would be before the speaker/ amp (i guess) so not sure how that would work unless i could monitor with headphones or something through the modeler. Or maybe the mic gets plugged into the modeler and the recording output is taken off of the cabinet? But then how do you adjust the voice sounds and all the other instrument sounds? In real time? When it comes time to edit what was recorded in real time. Maybe that could be through some add on software that comes with the modeler…. Kind of like you would edit and save a particular custom amp model or effect?Maybe thats where the mixer needs to come in maybe? Do they make something along the lines of a combo modeler/ mixer?
have a look at Alto Professional powered PA cabs and subs; I have three PAs with their powered cabs and subs: small, medium and large
I took a look and more confused now. Do you use the PA cabs for your “amp” speakers…. With a modeler I’m guessing since no modeler or effects knobs etc on the pa cab? Wondering if i could use a setup along those lines for a bass, an electric guitar, micd or triggered acoustic kit and vocals?
unpowered USB mixer as above, or use the band mixer directly with your powered PA + Sub(s) - don't use a powered mixer with powered PA cabs though!
I’ll trust you on that one! So its possible that i can purchase (or the band might have) a powered vs non powered mixer? If I’m going to purchase a mixer then i neeed to make sure to get an unpowered type?
Most do this; Line 6 is much better than some others (looking at you, Boss!) for updating their modelers
Gotcha. I think i had read somewhere that Boss was not good with providing updates…. So something along the lines of more “disposable@ maybe than other manufacturers.
some modelers have drum tracks, but are usually limited vs plugins or buying backing tracks...you can find free backing tracks online, some let you add or remove different instruments from the playback
Good to know. Not sure how the whole drum track thing works anyway. I mean do you play along to some beat that you select that just keeps repeating itself? Or is there something more to it than that?
Check to see if your modeler has trails, i.e., it lets you decide if you cut off the note when switching patches or let it continue
That sounds like what i needed to know!
 
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Need over ear headphones for ear protection from acoustic drums. Also prefer not to have anything in my ears. Think i just need to make sure that whatever modeler i get has wireless capability….
that's what this does; it has a transmitter and receiver; the receiver has a standard TRS 1/8" - 3.5mm jack
Interesting. So i get some sort of multifunction pedal and plug it into the modeler and i can select a wah effect (and or others) and use it like a normal wah? Would the modeler come with different models of different effects pedals kind of like the various amp models on board? Any reason i would want/ need a traditional wah then?
The HX Stomp has an expression pedal in; in your presets you can select from a choice of wah pedals, and assign the expression pedal to control the wah. Some reasons you'd want a dedicated external wah pedal is if it is one that's not in your modeler that you want to use, e.g., a vintage wah, or if you want to use the expression pedal for something else such as volume, or controlling delay times, amount of distortion, etc., i.e., another function
In front of? Meaning something other than just plugging it into the modeler? Different than the way i would plug in an expression pedal?
You can use pedals in front of a modeler, some pedals work well, others don't, with some modelers. Guitar --> guitar pedals ---> modeler input
This part was in response to my needing to plug in a mic and have the ability to record. Sub as in subwoofer? Why will i need that? To handle vocals or something? I need ghe mixer to have a place to plug the mic in and get the sound out to record? So basically I would be buying a separate mixer.
Yes, a sub if you're going to have a band with bass, keys, or mic your drums.

An USB mixer will let you record over USB into your computer / daw. You can get by with one sub, the Alto sub has L and R inputs and outputs, with a frequency cutover; mixer out (L & R) into the Sub inputs (L & R), and Sub out (L & R) to your two powered PA speakers.

For whatever reason i was thinking there would be a jacks on the modeler to plug a mic into (so i or girlfriend etc could sing while I’m playing guitar. Then would make sense that there was also a way to get the music (guitar and voice and any kind of backing track lets say) out of the modeler.
Some modelers have mic inputs such as the Helix, not all modelers have this; and many have USB out to go direct to computer / DAW for recording, and dedicated outs to go to a FRFR cab, PA mixer, etc.

Granted this would be before the speaker/ amp (i guess) so not sure how that would work unless i could monitor with headphones or something through the modeler.
Most modelers have headphone out; if you run everything into a mixer, the mixer would have a headphone out; depends what you want to hear in your headphones.

Or maybe the mic gets plugged into the modeler and the recording output is taken off of the cabinet? But then how do you adjust the voice sounds and all the other instrument sounds? In real time? When it comes time to edit what was recorded in real time. Maybe that could be through some add on software that comes with the modeler…. Kind of like you would edit and save a particular custom amp model or effect?Maybe thats where the mixer needs to come in maybe? Do they make something along the lines of a combo modeler/ mixer?
If you're recording off the cabinet your missing the direct output of the modeler; unless you're using a guitar cab with a modeler (which would require a power amp too) you would need to turn off cab sims / IRs in your modeler.

Mic --> Modeler such as a full Helix, you can route the vocals and guitars to different output channels to the mixer, and they would be on different channels over USB.

I took a look and more confused now. Do you use the PA cabs for your “amp” speakers…. With a modeler I’m guessing since no modeler or effects knobs etc on the pa cab? Wondering if i could use a setup along those lines for a bass, an electric guitar, micd or triggered acoustic kit and vocals?
If I use a modeler, or synths, keyboards, etc., or even my computer based guitar rig, I run the outputs into a USB mixer, out to my PA with Sub as my PA, the guitar amp speakers, mics, mic positions are simulated in my modeler or computer rig; the mixer allows me to control the levels, balance, etc., and the powered PA cabs provide the amplified sound.

I’ll trust you on that one! So its possible that i can purchase (or the band might have) a powered vs non powered mixer? If I’m going to purchase a mixer then i neeed to make sure to get an unpowered type?
You want a powered mixer if your pa cabs are unpowered aka passive; you want an unpowered mixer if your PA cabs are powered.
Gotcha. I think i had read somewhere that Boss was not good with providing updates…. So something along the lines of more “disposable@ maybe than other manufacturers.

Good to know. Not sure how the whole drum track thing works anyway. I mean do you play along to some beat that you select that just keeps repeating itself? Or is there something more to it than that?
Since you play drums, you could record your drums into the mixer, usb to computer / DAW, but getting good acoustic drum recorded sounds requires lots of mics, maybe a dedicated mixer, and knowledge about mic types and mic placement...out of my area of knowledge. I program drum tracks in my DAW using Arturia SparkLE controller or use a software plugin that has drum patterns that I can organize into a song pattern, and set repeats (Sonic Charge microTonic vst)
That sounds like what i needed to know!
 
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