Axetrak test clip Part II

[Gainfreak]

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You still using the EMU?? I can't remember if the default is stereo or not but I can swear that I had to click the stereo button on the channel to go stereo.

Listening to Zorran right now.....best Uber clip I have ever heard and he is using a Palmer

yeah, still using the EMU and Im not sure how the hell I have it setup. that said, its set by default to record in stereo in Sonar, so thats whats screwing me up. I also listened to Zorrans clip and I think the Uber clip is the only one that sounds direct to my ears. i think the boogie records better through the palmer. That said, Zorrans playing just owns, so he is going to sound amazing no matter what!!

 

[MrDan666]

That was wicked Ralph!! Funnily enough, that actually reminded me of the opening track on the Cry Wolf cd! Chug chug chug

 

[Gainfreak]

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Sup bro!

I didn't hear the other clip, so I can't compare the two. I think it sounds good (heavy ), but a little boxy and choked. Sounds like you're micing a speaker inside a box. Just the inherent characteristics of iso cabs, I guess. I've experimented with a few designs of my own and they sounded similar. Honestly, dude, you rock no matter what..so we're just splitting hairs here.

Yeah, that seems to be inherent in all of the iso cabs. The only way I have ever been able to dial that out is by smearing it with room verb to make it sound huger but you loose definition. I think all iso cab recording sound better in a mix rather then out front alone!
That said, I must insist it is you who rocks!! im going to try something different and see if the tone gets better.

 

[Gainfreak]

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Lot's-0-gain! What gear was used?

Wassup Daddy!!!

MKIII straight into the axetrak!

 

[mentoneman]

bro bro i wouldn't be so hard on yourself,

the tone is there,
your playing is impeccable, and your "i'm not totally stoked with it" level is the average clip junkie's "oh how i pray that one day i'll get even close to those results!" outcome. i appreciate how natural the axetrack sounds

the chandler gear is something i took notice of when i heard it was something mike landau faithfully used in his studio big rack rig, and i'll be darned if the clip i posted of this guy using a chandler pre doesn't have some of those elusive qualities i hear in mike's studio recordings--

big muscular low mids that have some percussiveness without the flubby boomy effect ala too much proximity effect

and the sweet detail and presence in the highs that is not harsh or fizzy at all

and most of all it's overall sound puts the recording in your lap!

Gfreak OWNS.

 

[Gainfreak]

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bro bro i wouldn't be so hard on yourself,

the tone is there,
your playing is impeccable, and your "i'm not totally stoked with it" level is the average clip junkie's "oh how i pray that one day i'll get even close to those results!" outcome. i appreciate how natural the axetrack sounds

the chandler gear is something i took notice of when i heard it was something mike landau faithfully used in his studio big rack rig, and i'll be darned if the clip i posted of this guy using a chandler pre doesn't have some of those elusive qualities i hear in mike's studio recordings--

big muscular low mids that have some percussiveness without the flubby boomy effect ala too much proximity effect

and the sweet detail and presence in the highs that is not harsh or fizzy at all

and most of all it's overall sound puts the recording in your lap!

Gfreak OWNS.

Pat!!

You are the best brother! I miss the heck out of you and the Mrs and I owe Zach about 50 phone calls!!

Give the Mrs a big hug from me and she needs to hug you back from me Hugs for all I tell ya!!

Im going to try and re-do this again without the stereo button on and see what that does. If its more of the same then Im done and I will start recording some better clips with the axetrak! I really love this sucker and it sounds HUGE for a 6 inch speaker

 

[Gainfreak]

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it sounds a bit like fuzzy, and distant to me. But it's an improvement. I've never experienced an Axetrak personally, but I would love to, so I couldn't recommend you ways to improve. Is this one guitar track ghosted to two sides, or is it two recordings separate?

Almost missed this and thanks for listening!!


Its two seperate recordings panned hard right and hard left.

 

[Digital Jams]

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yeah, still using the EMU and Im not sure how the hell I have it setup. that said, its set by default to record in stereo in Sonar, so thats whats screwing me up. I also listened to Zorrans clip and I think the Uber clip is the only one that sounds direct to my ears. i think the boogie records better through the palmer. That said, Zorrans playing just owns, so he is going to sound amazing no matter what!!

I am wondering if the heavy mids the MK IV has is why because I am hearing this now too, it does not sound has "hollow" as the Uber while listening back to back.

Are you sure it is not Sonar set to record in stereo? Wait.......you are not using the mic pre's on the breakout box are you?? If I remember you have the signal going to your mixer....most of the inputs on the EMU are stereo capable but the two pres in front are not, they are mono.

 

[Gainfreak]

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I am wondering if the heavy mids the MK IV has is why because I am hearing this now too, it does not sound has "hollow" as the Uber while listening back to back.

Are you sure it is not Sonar set to record in stereo? Wait.......you are not using the mic pre's on the breakout box are you?? If I remember you have the signal going to your mixer....most of the inputs on the EMU are stereo capable but the two pres in front are not, they are mono.

I aced the mixer and i'm using the EMU'S pres and they are mono but Sonar is recording in stereo!! For lack of better words Its a false signal and its giving me some weird phasing issues. I'm going to try and record again at Lunch!!

 

[yngzaklynch]

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Wassup Daddy!!!

MKIII straight into the axetrak!

That amp sounds sick! In a good way of course.

 

[argonaut4]

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I aced the mixer and i'm using the EMU'S pres and they are mono but Sonar is recording in stereo!! For lack of better words Its a false signal and its giving me some weird phasing issues. I'm going to try and record again at Lunch!!

I'm not familiar with Sonar, but on my software (Vegas 4.0), I just right click on a track and select whether it's mono or stereo and the input I wish to use. It couldn't be easier. I sometimes use two mics in mono and invert the phase on one of them. Then again, I do something different everytime I record. I guess I could try to be more consistant. :smoker:

 

[Bob Savage]

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Brother pat!!

I figured out why all my clips sound Hollow and far away!!
(pays to read the freaking manual !!)

I was recording all of my clips in stereo without knowing it. When I record in stereo and multi track tracks and start panning the tracks, I get some weird phase cancellation (at least I do with my rig!!)
I'm going to set my recordings to mono and double track another clip tomorrow!! Should produce more of what I am looking for!!

I just finished listening and (puts on flame retarded suit... yes, retarded) was thinking you were pulling a quick one on us again. The phase incongruencies had me thinking "modeler." Sorry! There's also something about the envelope when you're chugging. Are you compressing the tracks at all?

 

[Gainfreak]

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I just finished listening and (puts on flame retarded suit... yes, retarded) was thinking you were pulling a quick one on us again. The phase incongruencies had me thinking "modeler." Sorry! There's also something about the envelope when you're chugging. Are you compressing the tracks at all?

Sup Brother!! me needs some help so fire away!!

That said.. nope. no trickery going on here. Its my GMW plugged straight into the MKIII coli head into an Axetrak and then into The EMU. It's quad tracked so thats probably what you are hearing, but there is no processing at all. The weird thing is that I had it set in Sonar 5 to record stereo but I was going mono into the EMU.

 

[Bob Savage]

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Sup Brother!! me needs some help so fire away!!

That said.. nope. no trickery going on here. Its my GMW plugged straight into the MKIII coli head into an Axetrak and then into The EMU. It's quad tracked so thats probably what you are hearing, but there is no processing at all. The weird thing is that I had it set in Sonar 5 to record stereo but I was going mono into the EMU.

Ralphie!!! Yeah, I perceived there was no trickery once I read a little bit.

Quad tracking can definitely cause the unusual attack (it's unusual to my ears, at least). You recorded this four times, right? Assuming that's what you mean by quad, and not that you tracked it twice but it's stereo (that's not quad tracked), I would suggest you yank two of the tracks and see how just double sounds. The phase incongruencies are probably because the quad tracking, not the stereo thing. What inputs were set for the stereo recording in SONAR? Assuming you had a mic only into one of the EMU pres, you should have a dead side in the stereo track. I don't remember how, but I think you can turn that into a mono track.

BTW: This clip isn't bad, it's just got a couple peculiarities (sp?).

 

[Gainfreak]

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Ralphie!!! Yeah, I perceived there was no trickery once I read a little bit.

Quad tracking can definitely cause the unusual attack (it's unusual to my ears, at least). You recorded this four times, right? Assuming that's what you mean by quad, and not that you tracked it twice but it's stereo (that's not quad tracked), I would suggest you yank two of the tracks and see how just double sounds. The phase incongruencies are probably because the quad tracking, not the stereo thing. What inputs were set for the stereo recording in SONAR? Assuming you had a mic only into one of the EMU pres, you should have a dead side in the stereo track. I don't remember how, but I think you can turn that into a mono track.

BTW: This clip isn't bad, it's just got a couple peculiarities (sp?).

Yeah Bro, I did the clip 4 times and in stereo. For some reason I have a stereo track instead of a dead side. When you look at the audio, you can see 2 tracks one on top of each other instead of a solid single track. I think thats causing the weirdness because I even hear it with 2 tracks muted. (the timing is also loose which adds to the weirdness! )


Im going to try again at lunchtime!!

 

[Bob Savage]

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Yeah Bro, I did the clip 4 times and in stereo. For some reason I have a stereo track instead of a dead side. When you look at the audio, you can see 2 tracks one on top of each other instead of a solid single track. I think thats causing the weirdness because I even hear it with 2 tracks muted. (the timing is also loose which adds to the weirdness! )


Im going to try again at lunchtime!!

That's weird! A stereo track should be a single channel lane, but with two waveforms side-by-side. If the clips are on top of each other, something else is going on. I don't know if SONAR allows it, but if they're true stereo tracks, it's possible that both sides had the same input selected which isn't really a problem.

I hear you on the timing bro... let me ask you something: When you're recording the additional guitar tracks, are you playing along with the other rhythm tracks or are you muting the other tracks? If you're not already doing it, I would suggest muting them. I've found that I tend to try an follow the other guitar tracks when they're present and it causes me to play sloppier than I normally play. Without it there I just play it the way I know it, and when summed, the results are usually far better.

 

[Gainfreak]

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That's weird! A stereo track should be a single channel lane, but with two waveforms side-by-side. If the clips are on top of each other, something else is going on. I don't know if SONAR allows it, but if they're true stereo tracks, it's possible that both sides had the same input selected which isn't really a problem.

I hear you on the timing bro... let me ask you something: When you're recording the additional guitar tracks, are you playing along with the other rhythm tracks or are you muting the other tracks? If you're not already doing it, I would suggest muting them. I've found that I tend to try an follow the other guitar tracks when they're present and it causes me to play sloppier than I normally play. Without it there I just play it the way I know it, and when summed, the results are usually far better.

Well I have 2 tracks right on top of each other in for each audio clip!


As far as the timing, it was done quick and yes, I had the other trck going and it screwed me up bigtime!! Its like you get lost because your not sure if you are hearing yourself play live or if you are hearing the other track

 

[Bob Savage]

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Well I have 2 tracks right on top of each other in for each audio clip!


As far as the timing, it was done quick and yes, I had the other trck going and it screwed me up bigtime!! Its like you get lost because your not sure if you are hearing yourself play live or if you are hearing the other track

That's not a stereo track, although I'm not sure what it is because I'm assuming you would know if you recorded over the same track multiple times.

Definitely mute those other guitar tracks. I think you'll be much happier with the results when you play them back together.

 

[Gainfreak]

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That's not a stereo track, although I'm not sure what it is because I'm assuming you would know if you recorded over the same track multiple times.

Definitely mute those other guitar tracks. I think you'll be much happier with the results when you play them back together.

nope. for some reason it comes out that way when set to stereo. I unarmed the track after I was done, so I haven't a clue as to what is going on!!


I will mute the other tracks when I record but when I was recording that track, I wasn't really caring about the timing anyway lol Hell, I didn't even know what the heck I was playing!!

 

[Bob Savage]

That's weird, I've never seen a stereo track stacked instead of side-by-side waveforms.