Did Dave Friedman find the josé mods behind Van Halen 1 ?

Tone Monster said:
Have you heard the drum kit overheads picking up Eddie tracking eruption? The tone is there IMO.
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The room mic clips have been referenced numerous times and they do show what the unmastered amp sounded like through the cabinets while recording in the studio room. If you don't hear those clips as a really good sounding plexi there is just no reason to argue further IMHO.
 
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I watched this entire video and Dave never said the amp had what is known as the standard Jose mods that Jose installed for other people, he actually said.... that out of all the amps he(Dave Friedman) worked on for Ed not one had extensive mods and were mostly stock with just little things done to them.

He noted that Jose tended to like the 100K NFB on the 4 ohm tap but Dave said 12301 had an original 47K on the 4 ohm tap when he looked at it and he stated he felt it was 820/.68uf on V1B for the bright channel, nothing different from what has become known as the Friedman specs. Dave also said Jose more than likely introduced slaving to Ed and using matched power tubes to lessened blown Output transformers beause Rudy would thrown in what ever tubes they had on hand when tubes blew.

Please don't make me re-watch it to get timestamps so you can hear him say it. He does say it and he actually walks through the specs he found in 12301 when he rebuilt it with donated wiring from another amp.

Sometimes you just have to use your actual ears and trust them......again multiple amp clips within this thread prove out the stock amp theory.:yes:
 
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shar-vell Dan said:
Take away the millions spent with Peavey / Kramer / EBMM / EVH branded stuff. I prefer the tone / talent / music [just 2 albums] / and guitars & gear
that Randy Rhoads had than the lifetime Ed had.
Yeah Ed did alot of cool shit not taking that away but i prefer Randy's legacy than all the Ed tone talk forums in history.
We never actually heard Ed's side of things from him other than the bullshit stories to keep the marketing machine alive.
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Agreed. And Randy sounded WAY better live than on the albums.
 
looking forward to getting feedback on the new Jose/Friedman from my friend, who is a Friedman dealer and has owned/played all of the models, as he is attending NAMM.
 
1 thing at a time princess @Amp_chaser. Did we ever figure out the choke dilemma? @Monkey Man @JackBootedThug @alund @Techdeth
 
Eazy-ESP said:
You can try all the mods you like, the tone was in the street transformer supplying power to Sunset Studios and it was burnt in the recent fires. You’ll never get to sound like Eddie. The only choice now is seppuku.
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Did you see in the last thread where he thought a wall wart box (complete with three prong cables coming in and out) was a "secret overdrive pedal"?
 
DanTravis62 said:
Did you see in the last thread where he thought a wall wart box (complete with three prong cables coming in and out) was a "secret overdrive pedal"?
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Can you imagine every little thing you’ve done and plugged into playing guitar and forgotten about? Then you get famous and people are digging up photos of you for 40 years claiming it was a power outlet overdrive unit that actually made you play like a fucking demon, and that’s why they can’t match your tone in their home office on a Tuesday night.

We’ve gotten close enough to Eddie now. Many have proven it. The missing percentage is effort and cocaine guys.
 
Eazy-ESP said:
Can you imagine every little thing you’ve done and plugged into playing guitar and forgotten about? Then you get famous and people are digging up photos of you for 40 years claiming it was a power outlet overdrive unit that actually made you play like a fucking demon, and that’s why they can’t match your tone in their home office on a Tuesday night.

We’ve gotten close enough to Eddie now. Many have proven it. The missing percentage is effort and cocaine guys.
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It's seriously mind boggling

Literally everyone on planet earth, who doesn't suck at guitar, and has had the chance to plug into a dimed plexi with some nice greenbacks or blackbacks

has done the "you really got me" G-A thing

and said "wow holy shit it's really that simple isn't it?"

then did twiddled with a delay pedal in front and done the arpeggiated A minor thing and thought "god damn, and there are crazy people out there who still think its 1998 on Harmony Central and this is some kind of mystery"

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Yes, if you starve the plate voltage you'll get closer

Yes, if you have a mighty mite whatever you'll get closer

Yes, if you have vintage 6CA7s you'll get closer

Yes if you super compress it on the way into an analog tape board you'll get closer

But those are all combined, like maybe 10% of the sound

A cranked plexi, good old celestions, and not fucking sucking at guitar are easily 90% of the sound
 
DanTravis62 said:
It's seriously mind boggling

Literally everyone on planet earth, who doesn't suck at guitar, and has had the chance to plug into a dimed plexi with some nice greenbacks or blackbacks

has done the "you really got me" G-A thing

and said "wow holy shit it's really that simple isn't it?"

then did twiddled with a delay pedal in front and done the arpeggiated A minor thing and thought "god damn, and there are crazy people out there who still think its 1998 on Harmony Central and this is some kind of mystery"

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Yes, if you starve the plate voltage you'll get closer

Yes, if you have a mighty mite whatever you'll get closer

Yes, if you have vintage 6CA7s you'll get closer

Yes if you super compress it on the way into an analog tape board you'll get closer

But those are all combined, like maybe 10% of the sound

A cranked plexi, good old celestions, and not fucking sucking at guitar are easily 90% of the sound
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Owning a Lamborghini Miura also helps. And being serviced by sun soaked LA groupies. Really gets you in the “tone zone”.
 
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