Duncan Distortion for VH1 tone ?

Here's some homework for you and your ears so you can judge for yourself. Ossie Ahsen compares these following pickups for VH1 tone.

Duncan PAF
Duncan 78'
Duncan Frankenstien
Mighty Mite 1800
Mighty Mite 1400
Mighty Mie 1300
Ibanez Super 70
Vintage DImarzio Super Distortion
DiMarzio SUper Distortion new issue
DiMarzio Super II



As for my opinion on VH1 Tone, the one that ticks all the boxes that my ears hear would be a Mighty Mite 1400. Then followed by a MM1300. Then a Seymour Duncan 78 model PAF. The Duncan SH-5 custom isn't bad but I think anything over 13K has too much mids and they are less balanced like a PAF. I think anything from 8.5K-13K works best IMHO. Then the rest depends on your ears and what your ears like because really you can make quite a few pickups for for VH1 but my ears tell me it was a Mighty Mite 1400 or 1300. Now Gaustad can make a PAF work just fine if you got the chops, fire and attack in your playing.

Here is my 2009 Duncan 78 model wound by MJ doing most things ED through a 1969 Marshall Ed spec superlead with NOS parts with a Lar/Mar PPIMV. I still feel the MM1400 is more exact for VH1 but the SD78 model sounds damn good for VH1 stuff but especially excellent for VHII.


Great post! Thanks for sharing.

Thanks to you guys, I have an SD 78 on order now to try. I have 2 guitars loaded with a BKP VHII and they NAIL the VHII vibes. That’s my fav VH tone btw (VHII album). It’s all about that aggressive but non intrusive high end to capture that sound.
 
I always defer to my buddy Allen Garber (garbeaj) for this sort of VH minutiae, but since the "Shark" appears in the music video for "You Really Got Me" I think I'm correct abut the timeline on this guitar.


Garber is the best!
The PAF Eddie used came from a 61 ES335. By then, Gibson standardized on the short RC A5. So unless it was swapped, it would be the short A5. The short A5 sits in between a regular A5 and A2. It fatter and less shrill.
Thank you, Scott. And yes, this is 100% spot on.
 
His "Van Halen Tuning Offset" was a revelation !

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I think you mentioned “The Inside”. The publisher (Brad Starks) was brought in house to do the first website, and I did a lot of content for that (the “Equipment Section” and “Interviews”) and played Ed’s actual red Peavy Wolfgang prototype and I think a yellow one through a 5150 rig at guitar shows. Got to know everyone, especially Scotty Ross the tour manager who was much more than that. Loads of fun.
 
When Eddie died I was bummed and ended up wanting some kind of cool guitar as a tribute. I found a cheap partscaster with the white stripes and regular fender bridge. I justified the purchase because it was cheap and probably close to frank before the Floyd and red paint.

I was told it’s probably an alder body with a SD 59 bridge. Whatever the combo is it works very well. It gets me close enough and has most of the EVH qualities needed to play that style. Seems to fit Dave and Pete’s idea of an alnico 5 with a less bright wood.

If I get over being lazy I might move the volume pot further away. I’m sloppy and am always turning down accidentally.
 
I tumbled down this rabbit hole backwards a few years back. I honestly believe that as long as you are picking from the well-known short list of options, the pickup is the least significant link in the chain. Honestly, I feel the same way about the amp - provided you are selecting from the now well-known options. I’ve heard folks achieve staggeringly authentic early VH tones from variac’ed NMV heads, JCM800s, JVMs, and even wide open Vintage Moderns. Of course, the Suhr 68, the Metro-Plex, the Granger, Germino, all bring the goods in the right hands. People love to hate these pesky ‘weird mids’ in a Splawn, but the most authentic cover of Eruption on the internet is the one Mike Himmel laid down - and I know for a fact that he used a 50 watt QR for that track. (The B-Reel shows a Marshall 1987, but thats not what he used to record)

For my ears, the single most important thing in nailing ‘that’ overall sound is the player. Someone with the chops, the feel, and the swing who has paid careful attention to exactly where the palm mutes belong rhythmically in each little part will have you convinced you‘re listening to out-takes from the VH-I & II sessions. Even plugged into an 800 with a TS out front. And someone pounding through the parts dropping everything on beats 2 and 4 like a marching band will sound like ass - even playing through a variac’ed ‘68 plexi with a 10-band MXR EQ and an OG Echoplex out front with JBL/Greenback loaded cabs.

I think it is a known commodity that the PAF wound Alnico pickup in Frank during the early days clearly had less oomph than the hotter wound ceramic mag pickup in the destroyer. You can hear the extra wallop and sizzle on tracks where the destroyer was used. But that is its own rabbit hole - the nuances each pickup brings to the table are heavily influenced by the guitar the pickup calls home. Set neck vs bolt-on / Gibson scale vs Fender scale / mahogany or korina vs Northern Hard Ash.

If you‘ve got the chops and a dense, heavy strat body, you cant go wrong with a Duncan ‘59, Duncan Custom, Duncan Custom ‘59 Hybrid - my personal favorite is the Whole Lotta Humbucker. As far as boutiques go, I hear things with the Pariah Pasadena White that no other pickup gets quite the same.
 
I'm not a huge fan of the VHII and WACF sounds . Both sound much more mushy to me than the other albums . I much prefer VHI, Fair Warning and I actually liked the Diver Down tone
Ed's rhythm tone on WACF was a major letdown.

That's for the "Balance" tone.

:rolleyes:
 

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I think you mentioned “The Inside”. The publisher (Brad Starks) was brought in house to do the first website, and I did a lot of content for that (the “Equipment Section” and “Interviews”) and played Ed’s actual red Peavy Wolfgang prototype and I think a yellow one through a 5150 rig at guitar shows. Got to know everyone, especially Scotty Ross the tour manager who was much more than that. Loads of fun.
“No news is good news.”
 
Great post! Thanks for sharing.

Thanks to you guys, I have an SD 78 on order now to try. I have 2 guitars loaded with a BKP VHII and they NAIL the VHII vibes. That’s my fav VH tone btw (VHII album). It’s all about that aggressive but non intrusive high end to capture that sound.
If you love VHII then I think you will love the SD78 model. It is what I hear on VHII perfectly, it is a little softer in the attack and warmer than VH1. Like I said it does remarkably well on VH1 tones as well. The 78 model is about the best PAF pickup I have played yet barring an Arcane PAF clone and a Tom Homes 455 which I always loved the tone of but the 78 model was never bested out of all the PAF's that I tried out.
 
I'm not a huge fan of the VHII and WACF sounds . Both sound much more mushy to me than the other albums . I much prefer VHI, Fair Warning and I actually liked the Diver Down tone a lot .
I thought WACF had that ratty fuzz riding on the single distorted notes just like what I hear on VH1. Fair Warning seems like it's own animal altogether regarding Ed's tone IMHO. The only pickups that produce the ratty fuzz effect on the single notes is the Mighty Mite 1300/1400 and the vintage Dimarzio Super Distortions at least to my ears anyway. The Ibanez Super 70's can also have those qualities just no as pronounced and the Might Mites do, with those it's right in your face....bammo.
 
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Honestly I think Ed's tastes changed so often it could be a PAF, and overwound PAF, a Mighty Mite 1300/1400, Dimarzio SD, Duncan custom wound anywere from 12K to the 14.5K that the JB winds were at that time in 1978 and I bet the SH-5 customs were more in the 12-13K range at that time. Ed ripping out pickups from show to show could have been a reality at just about any time of the week during 1978.

I have an old early 80's Duncan Seymourizer II which measures 12.5 K that does VH1 much better that the Duncan Custom because it is more balanced and clanky like a PAF without the extra mids push of a 14K SH-5 Custom yet is still aggressive and has alot of power, it could also be a contender as it was Seymours hot pickup before the Custom came into his lineup, it was there with the JB in the early days of Seymour's shop.

I also had an early 80's Duncan Custom and I just felt if was better at doing harder rock than VH1, due to the added compression and mids emphasis. But as with most pickups they all can sound and feel different from wind to wind really.

Those pickup comparison videos shed alot of light on the attributes of just about every pickup known to exist at the time of the reocrding and live tour in 1978. In the end your ears will lead you to your answer and what you like for those tones.
 
Honestly I think Ed's tastes changed so often it could be a PAF, and overwound PAF, a Mighty Mite 1300/1400, Dimarzio SD, Duncan custom wound anywere from 12K to the 14.5K that the JB winds were at that time in 1978 and I bet the SH-5 customs were more in the 12-13K range at that time. Ed ripping out pickups from show to show could have been a reality at just about any time of the week during 1978.

I have an old early 80's Duncan Seymourizer II which measures 12.5 K that does VH1 much better that the Duncan Custom because it is more balanced and clanky like a PAF without the extra mids push of a 14K SH-5 Custom yet is still aggressive and has alot of power, it could also be a contender as it was Seymours hot pickup before the Custom came into his lineup, it was there with the JB in the early days of Seymour's shop.

I also had an early 80's Duncan Custom and I just felt if was better at doing harder rock than VH1, due to the added compression and mids emphasis. But as with most pickups they all can sound and feel different from wind to wind really.

Those pickup comparison videos shed alot of light on the attributes of just about every pickup known to exist at the time of the reocrding and live tour in 1978. In the end your ears will lead you to your answer and what you like for those tones.
This reminds me of the story in Greg Renoff's book, Van Halen Rising: How a Southern California Backyard Party Band Saved Heavy Metal.

Ed was in his hotel room after a show. He had a guitar completely disassembled, and parts spread out all over the floor of his room.

Alex and his girlfriend come in Ed's room, drunk, and walk/stumble all over his guitar components - and Ed was livid.
 
^ That was a great book.

Not sure I know this for a fact as I guess I always assumed he did but did Ed actually do his own soldering? Did he unsolder and solder in new pickup all by himself to his own guitars? You'd think the flux and cold solder points alone over time would get a guitar to a point where it is either not sounding right or unusable??????

I'm probably over thinking it.
 
^ That was a great book.

Not sure I know this for a fact as I guess I always assumed he did but did Ed actually do his own soldering? Did he unsolder and solder in new pickup all by himself to his own guitars? You'd think the flux and cold solder points alone over time would get a guitar to a point where it is either not sounding right or unusable??????

I'm probably over thinking it.
I would assume he did. Soldering in a new pickup is a pretty easy task. As long as he does a good job I don't see it being a problem. Soldering and resoldering in new pickups won't damage anything. You can just use the solder on the pot from the previous pickup to solder your new pickup in, no flux needed unless you're putting in new pots as well.
 
^ That was a great book.

Not sure I know this for a fact as I guess I always assumed he did but did Ed actually do his own soldering? Did he unsolder and solder in new pickup all by himself to his own guitars? You'd think the flux and cold solder points alone over time would get a guitar to a point where it is either not sounding right or unusable??????

I'm probably over thinking it.
From what I’ve read when he first installed a humbucker in one of his Strat’s he didn’t know how to wire up the single coil pickups back up correctly so he just wired up the humbucker and didn’t bother with the single coils , or something like that.
 
@anomaly - makes sense and that's what I assumed too. I honestly never bothered to learn to solder even though I bought a soldering arm 🤦

@hammered - that's actually what made me speculate that. I know he said that 'he did it' but he also knew a lot of techs and builders so something inside me always wondered if he was actually having someone else do this work. You'd think with all the soldering pups in and out he'd figure out the wiring part - its not THAT different. At least some trial by error. :dunno:
 
When I was searching for humbuckers online about a year or two ago I didn't even realize that the EVH/Wolfgang pickup was a big thing . I could not believe the reviews that I was reading about it and I'm talking from every freaking website I checked out , it was being praised to the Heavens.

I never tried one but if that pickup wasn't a complete game changer why would so many customers who purchased it be so over the moon with it ?
 
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