aeroic
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Telefied":3t9fj4e1 said:
I would assume he's going to source the exact same parts, but make them cheaper because of the difference in cost of labor.
Eric
I would assume he's going to source the exact same parts, but make them cheaper because of the difference in cost of labor.
Eric
FastRedPonyCar
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outstanding news. I've always gassed for a Mod50 but never had the $$ laying around to get one. I've been more than impressed with my renegade. so far, it's tone and durability are just as impressive as my USA hand built amps. As long as all the components in the overseas mod series are the same, i won't hesitate to get a mod50 or possibly 100 when they're available.
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rockridge98
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Great news, Bruce!
I love my M4, and it would be great to see the modular products become more available and get the recognition and market share they deserve.
I love my M4, and it would be great to see the modular products become more available and get the recognition and market share they deserve.
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richedie
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That is a shame. How do other companie like Bogner and Mesa continue to hand build amps and meet demand? Good and bad I guess.
Anyway, I guess if I hold onto my Mod 50, it will be worth $4000 in a few years. LOL.
Will you guys be making any USA made amps?
Either way, my Mod 50 still kills just about any amp I compare to....for my ears that is!
Anyway, I guess if I hold onto my Mod 50, it will be worth $4000 in a few years. LOL.
Will you guys be making any USA made amps?
Either way, my Mod 50 still kills just about any amp I compare to....for my ears that is!
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JCC
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A shame indeed! Another hand built product out of the mix FOREVER.
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PSGuitar
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Breaks my heart to see another high quality made in USA with care product become another run of the mill 'Made in China' product. I might end up selling my Mod 50 and getting something from a company that sticks to their guns. It kills me when people see my Mod 50 and say "Is that one of those Guitar Center amps?" I can't believe there is no way to not have your great amps continue to be built in the USA with care.
FastRedPonyCar
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PSGuitar":1fs3bpnl said:
just out of curiosity, do you have a definition of one of these type amps?
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Telefied
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PSGuitar":goqdgtmf said:
Yup happens to me too and I feel the same
jkdsteve
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PSGuitar":2ybxp22h said:
Ya know, although it might make sense to have them made in the same factory as the Renegade (etc), nowhere in the original post does it say they are going to be made in China.
It's been clear for a while that the Berkeley shop had a problem keeping production regular....Jeff H was working on a solution where they built some buffer stock but obviously that only ended up being a stop-gap measure (as you might expect actually.)
I'd rather see Bruce's time spent on designing cool new stuff.
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PSGuitar
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It's obvious why Jeff left the company now. He saw the end coming....
I don't even want a Bogner because even they have their Chinese line. Companies like Fryette, Wizard, Mojave....you won't see them doing imports. They stay true.
I don't even want a Bogner because even they have their Chinese line. Companies like Fryette, Wizard, Mojave....you won't see them doing imports. They stay true.
jlbaxe
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PSGuitar":1xn66mir said:
I don't think that is really fair. Egnater Mod50/100, M4, TOL, USA made stuff is excellent products. I owned most of that list and now have 2 USA Bogners and it's all top notch amps.
If Bogner and Egnater want to have a cheaper cost line in Guitar Center that's fine. Some kids can't afford the high end USA amps and now can have a great affordable amp that still is very toneful.
It is a personal choice what you buy and they are exspanding to another market. This won't stop me from owning the Egnater/Bogner boutique amps. I guess I'm just not that closed minded.
Also Bruce said he would use a sub contractor And that does not mean out of the USA.
Len Rabinowitz
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PSGuitar":3e7gwrrq said:
Leave the guy alone. It's his company; He can do what he wants with it. This makes sense- they have obviously needed to make some changes. It's his name on the stuff- I have no doubt that he will maintain the quality and creativity of it.
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Brain2Me2
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There is a difference with Bogner, he released a new amp the Alchemist...and has kept it like that. He kept his regular line intact, now if he starts moving production of Shiva and Exstacy to China, I assure you Bogner users and fans would be pissed.PSGuitar":303fkhq7 said:
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muudrock
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IF It sounds good, It sounds good. End of story, end of debate.
While I am proud to own a few of Bruce's USA assembled amps, I would be foolish to think it's "made in America". The majority of the high end electronic components in each and every botique "USA Made" amplifier, Egnater or other, is made outside our borders. Does it really matter if it's assembled in Berkely Michigan or some other state or country? I just don't think it's a determining factor of buying something.
I would ask all those that pound their chests and claim they won't buy foreign made amps one question: Are you going to sell every other piece of gear you own?? Your $300 pedals, your $3000 guitars, that Axe FX or Eventide: Sorry, They All have foreign made parts in em.
Goes back to my point: If it sounds good, It sounds good. Regardless of who or where it was assembled.
The soapbox is now vacant....
While I am proud to own a few of Bruce's USA assembled amps, I would be foolish to think it's "made in America". The majority of the high end electronic components in each and every botique "USA Made" amplifier, Egnater or other, is made outside our borders. Does it really matter if it's assembled in Berkely Michigan or some other state or country? I just don't think it's a determining factor of buying something.
I would ask all those that pound their chests and claim they won't buy foreign made amps one question: Are you going to sell every other piece of gear you own?? Your $300 pedals, your $3000 guitars, that Axe FX or Eventide: Sorry, They All have foreign made parts in em.
Goes back to my point: If it sounds good, It sounds good. Regardless of who or where it was assembled.
The soapbox is now vacant....
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richedie
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Whatever dude!
Ha, I kid bro....
Ha, I kid bro....
Len Rabinowitz":33s3s9yf said:PSGuitar":33s3s9yf said:
Leave the guy alone. It's his company; He can do what he wants with it. This makes sense- they have obviously needed to make some changes. It's his name on the stuff- I have no doubt that he will maintain the quality and creativity of it.
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richedie
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Brain2Me2":1eukb5fq said:
Hopefully Bruce will still make USA made amps of some sort. I love his stuff. Great guy too.....just a little dissapointed.
I hear ya man....I just prefer USA made.
How do we know everything will not be made in the Guitar Center Factory going forward? I guess I think they should find a way to keep their current USA line customer happy like Bogner has done. They created new lines outside the country. They didn't suddenly decide to make the Shiva in China. To me, part of buying a good amp is that it is sort of an investment. You can get some of your money back if you sell and try something else...but I guess that is not relevant.
jlbaxe
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I would buy a Deizel if I had the cash, a Marshall and a Hiwatt so to say I would only buy American isn't true. I would have to say quality is a big factor and a handbuilt amp that a designer or other person/s took pride in making is a big plus. I have Maxon and Boss pedal from Japan and luv them So.....
Mailman1971
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jlbaxe":ry26mf60 said:
Best move I have EVER MADE in my playing days........
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richedie
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jlbaxe":3hvkuqzj said:
Very good points man! I just like the Bogner idea of keeping the custom shop line separate from the imports than Egnater's of importing the Mod 50 (if that is what happens) I heard on another site the Mod 50 will become a Guitar Center amp made in the same factory as the Rebel, etc. Could be WAY wrong.
I know what you mean about Diexel. Love em! I just wish they were not as stiff.
Orren
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muudrock":28yh3p5w said:
Dude, you are so wrong! Don't you get it? Only amps manufactured in the USA sound good for real.
So what happens if you hear an amp, think it sounds good, and find out it was made overseas? Clearly, it didn't really sound good. You were just fooled by communist propaganda! Fluoride in the water! Secret agents snuck into your bedroom at night and put electrodes in your brain! Because it can't possibly be true! There is no possible way that anything that sounds good can ever come from a factory outside America!
Well, except maybe old Marshalls. Those sound good. But those were made in England, and England is part of America anyway. That's why in England, they all speak American like we do.
Do you get it now?
Orren
(totally supportive of Bruce's business decisions, and for anyone who took their sarcasm module out of their MOD50, I'm obviously being tongue-in-cheek
).